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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 11:38:06 GMT -5
There was a previous thread on building the 2013 Red Sox. This thread is only for the 2013 pitching staff.
Include the following:
-Possible Trades
-Possible Free Agent Acquisitions (with years and salary)
-The Starting Rotation
-The Bullpen
-Other Candidates that can help the rotation or bullpen throughout the year
Possible Trades:
Salty for Gavin Floyd or Jose Quintana (White Sox)
Salty for Justin Masterson (Indians)
Salty and Bailey for Tony Cingrani (Reds) -I want Cingrani, and he has no place for the Reds next year, and he is a top pitching prospect-This is my favorite trade
With Aroldis Chapman and the already full 2013 Red's pitching staff, this makes Cingrani more available
Salty for Eury Perez and Christian Garcia (Nationals)
Possible Free Agents:
Brandon McCarthy- 2 yrs, 22 million, with 10 million option for '15.
Kyle Lohse- 2 yrs, 20 million, with 8 million option for '15.
Shaun Marcum- 2 yrs, 16 million
Personally, I probably wouldn't sign a pitcher because there are plenty of internal options
Starting Rotation:
1. Buchholz
2. Lester
3. Doubront
4. Lackey
5. Morales
Bullpen:
Mortensen
Aceves
Bard (Hopefully back to normal form)
Miller
Melancon
Breslow
Tazawa
Other Candidates that can help the rotation or bullpen throughout the year:
Starting: Cingrani (I really want Cingrani), Aceves, Rubby, Webster, Hernandez, Wright, Britton, Workman, Barnes (He is further away though)
Relief: Carpenter, Atchison, Fields, Wilson, Beato, De La Torre
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 4, 2012 14:29:10 GMT -5
Agree to explore internal options (Webster, DLR) first. But Salty, if he could bring a return of Floyd, would free up Lester for a trade for an OF (Myers, Upton).
Can't see Salty being traded to be second fiddle on the receiving team. That's what he'd be in Cleveland.
Not too familiar with the Nationals catching situation, except for Kurt Suzuki. But your return from the Nats brings an outfielder and a 27 yr old minor league pitcher with two TJ surgeries.
And, I think Cincy wants to develop Devin Mesorosco (sp?), thats why it traded Grandal.
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Post by jluna09 on Dec 4, 2012 21:23:01 GMT -5
Trade Portland and Salem to the Mariners for Felix. Whatever it takes
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Post by nomar on Dec 5, 2012 1:22:48 GMT -5
^ Facepalm
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Post by honkbal on Dec 5, 2012 10:25:31 GMT -5
Sign Marcum, McCarthy, or Dempster (in that order). If they'll take 2 years.
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Post by larrycook on Dec 7, 2012 13:53:12 GMT -5
If Dempster would take 2 years, I would try and sign him. If he does not work out in the rotation, he can go back to the bullpen.
Lester
Buchholz
Dempster
Doubront
Lackey
Morales as a swing starter.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 7, 2012 14:02:22 GMT -5
Lester
Buchholz
Doubront
Lackey
Liriano
Thats my rotation but giving Morales a shot wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 7, 2012 14:33:38 GMT -5
Lincecum
Lester
Buchholz
Lackey
Doubront
Why does San Fran want to pay over 20M to a guy they left our of their post season rotation? Take his salary off their hands and give them someone like Ranaudo/Stolmy or Britton.
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Post by welovewally on Dec 7, 2012 22:34:16 GMT -5
Sign Anibal Sanchez - 6yrs $102
Trade Aceves for whatever you can get for him
Rotation:
Sanchez
Lester
Buchholz
Doubront
Lackey
40 Man Roster depth; Webster, De LaRosa, Wright, Britton, Pimentel
Bullpen:
Morales
Miller
Breslow
Uehara
Melancon
Mortensen
Bailey
40 Man Roster Depth; Bard, Tazawa, Carpenter, Beato, Wilson
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 8, 2012 11:13:41 GMT -5
I understand from reports that Sanchez is looking for 6/90. And you want to go over a hundred?
Also, Tazawa has demonstrated that he's a back of the pen pitcher with 8th inning credentials. You have him as 40 man roster groupie which begins with three LH relievers.
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Post by jmei on Dec 8, 2012 11:39:26 GMT -5
I know Mortensen's strikeout rate ticked up a bit last year and he ended up with a pretty good MLB and AAA ERA, but his walk rate is still pretty bad, his fastball is still very mediocre (tops out in the high 80s in terms of velocity, some decent arm-side run but below-average command), and he only got by by throwing nearly 40% sliders, which is probably not sustainable both for his UCL and in terms of fooling hitters once scouting reports get updated.
He's pretty clearly the most vulnerable of the remaining bullpen arms and I have him off my current bullpen projection, which goes like this:
Bailey
Tazawa
Uehara
Miller
Breslow
Melancon
Morales
(Aceves traded, Mortensen traded/DFAed. Top AAA depth includes Bard, Wilson, and Carpenter.)
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 8, 2012 13:00:29 GMT -5
It should be noted that Aceves has an option remaining. He would have to clear optional assignment waivers, and he probably wouldn't be happy about it, but it's a possibility.
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Post by jmei on Dec 8, 2012 13:43:57 GMT -5
Unless it was to stretch him out for a starting role, I can't possibly see that as a good idea. Aceves was angry enough when he was replaced at closer, he would throw a fit if he was optioned to AAA. At that point, you might as well trade him for pennies on the dollar or DFA him-- the distraction isn't worth it (filing a grievance with the MLBPA, etc).
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 8, 2012 14:07:56 GMT -5
His beef was with Bobby V. and the way he was handled. Perhaps a kinder, gentler John Farrell can bring out his best.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 8, 2012 14:28:14 GMT -5
It is sort of funny that Aceves was upset with Bobby V. Valentine actually showed even more trust in the "wild" one by placing him in a very pressurized situation as our closer.
Now if he had actually done his job consistently, he would have finally gotten an opportunity to make some decent bucks. But no.........he blamed it on someone else. Valentine trusted Aceves toooooo much!
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Post by larrycook on Dec 9, 2012 11:32:22 GMT -5
We trade Salty and Miller to the Mets for Niese.
Lester
Buchholtz
Niese
Doubront
Lackey
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Post by honkbal on Dec 9, 2012 12:44:50 GMT -5
We trade Salty and Miller to the Mets for Niese. Lester Buchholtz Niese Doubront Lackey You forgot to list the players we are giving up in that deal. All you mentioned were the throw-ins. |
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Post by larrycook on Dec 14, 2012 13:14:46 GMT -5
With Dempster signing for 2 years, is our current pitching staff better than the 2012 opening day staff?
Is Dempster an upgrade over Becket?
Is Lackey an upgrade over Bard?
Seems this staff is light at the top of the rotation.
Is there #1 pitcher available that Cherrington could trade for?
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Post by honkbal on Dec 14, 2012 13:22:38 GMT -5
Is there #1 pitcher available that Cherrington could trade for? Yeah, dozens of 'em. |
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Post by bluechip on Dec 14, 2012 14:45:55 GMT -5
With Dempster signing for 2 years, is our current pitching staff better than the 2012 opening day staff? Yes, but that's not saying too much. Is Dempster an upgrade over Becket? Yes, but again, that is not very hard. Is Lackey an upgrade over Bard? Yes, assuming he is marginally better than his 2011 awfulness. Is there #1 pitcher available that Cherrington could trade for? Probably not. This rotation, is not great. Not close to as good as the 2007 or the 2004 Red Sox rotations. It is, in my opinion, an upgrade over 2012, mostly because the 2012 rotation was so horrible to begin with. |
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Post by jluna09 on Dec 14, 2012 16:08:01 GMT -5
Perfect world
Lester
Buch
Lirano
Garza
Porcello
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Post by welovewally on Dec 15, 2012 8:28:30 GMT -5
With Dempster signing for 2 years, is our current pitching staff better than the 2012 opening day staff? Yes, because Lackey will be better then Bard/Beckett Is Dempster an upgrade over Becket? The Same Is Lackey an upgrade over Bard? Yes Seems this staff is light at the top of the rotation. Definitely Is there #1 pitcher available that Cherrington could trade for? Not right now there isnt |
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Post by larrycook on Dec 16, 2012 12:39:59 GMT -5
With Dempster signing for 2 years, is our current pitching staff better than the 2012 opening day staff? Yes, because Lackey will be better then Bard/Beckett Is Dempster an upgrade over Becket? The Same Is Lackey an upgrade over Bard? Yes Seems this staff is light at the top of the rotation. Definitely Is there #1 pitcher available that Cherrington could trade for? Not right now there isnt So if there are no #1's available via trade is Cherrington counting on improving our starting rotation by hoping for bounce backs years from Lester and Lackey or breakout years from Webster, Rubby or Barnes? |
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Post by honkbal on Dec 16, 2012 13:06:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't say counting on so much as left with as his only choice--trading Xander to improve this year's staff probably doesn't count as a real choice.
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Post by larrycook on Dec 17, 2012 13:30:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't say counting on so much as left with as his only choice--trading Xander to improve this year's staff probably doesn't count as a real choice. Less than a decade ago we traded a super hot AA SS prospect for a proven ace and got a world series title out of the deal. Why wouldn't Ben look to duplicate that feat? |
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