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Sox Sign Shane Victorino: 3yrs/$39mil
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Post by charliezink16 on Dec 4, 2012 17:30:01 GMT -5
It's official
Alex Speier @alexspeier Sox have agreed with Victorino on 3yr deal
Can't say I like this one...
EDIT: Rosenthal reporting 3yrs/$39mil for what it's worth
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Post by templeusox on Dec 4, 2012 17:34:47 GMT -5
Uncreative and irresponsible. A direct reflection of a front office with no plan.
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Post by stevedillard on Dec 4, 2012 17:40:10 GMT -5
Not crazy about this, but it shows the longer term plan:
1) Bridge year setting up good clubhouse environment for Xander/JBJ/WMB to cut their teeth. 2) Draft picks are the new currency with severely curtailed FA offerings. This preserves those 3) Trade of Ellsbury to get more pieces for the 2014-16 core.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 4, 2012 17:42:11 GMT -5
Wow, certainly a $ premium -- but over the next three years, maybe they don't have a better place to spend the money. Anyway, they can afford it without batting an eyelash. And they don't give up the draft pick, and Victorino can play all three OF positions which is perfect flexibility for an OF in flux.
Of course I like it as I've been pushing for this.
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Post by hammyofdoom on Dec 4, 2012 17:43:37 GMT -5
I really hope that the Red Sox prove me wrong but I really am not a fan of this signing. Granted according to the little twitter feed to the right of the screen Victorino was worth 14.7 million last year, I just really don't think they needed to spend this money on Shane. Hey I hope he proves me wrong and he puts up around an .800 OPS for the next year or two because that'd be AWESOME but... yeah, I just dunno. Gonna need to think about this for a bit
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 4, 2012 17:44:45 GMT -5
Acceptable.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 4, 2012 17:45:14 GMT -5
Steve, the Ellsbury trade is the first thing that came into my mind. As you mention, it also preserves the picks. If it is part of a longterm plan to say goodbye to Ells it makes some sense. I understand temple's reaction though. This is a player who's on the backside of his career and that's a bit of money for what will probably be very mediocre production.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 4, 2012 17:46:09 GMT -5
It actually looks like a plan to me. Keep these guys short term with the hope that your prospects push them out of the way in that 3rd year. Even if they push them mid 2nd year, much easier to move a guy with only a year remaining. And if these prospects do become everyday starters like a lot of people think they do, they'll be able to eat the salary in that 3rd year without much difficulty
It also appears to be a much more concerned effort to get character guys as opposed to just ignoring that aspect and throwing $ at just he best talent, which didn't work. Dump Beckett, Crawford, Gonzalez, two of them seemed to have legit attitude issues over the last two years, pick up Napoli, Victorino, Gomes, all of whom have glowing character reviews
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Post by bluechip on Dec 4, 2012 17:49:32 GMT -5
Not really a fan. Not an albatross contract, so it will not handcuff them in 2015.
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Post by templeusox on Dec 4, 2012 17:49:48 GMT -5
I would have easily taken a Nava/Ross platoon and saved the money.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 17:50:37 GMT -5
this signing is uncreative and irresponsible. victorino is basically done. by how he played this past year, he did NOT deserve the money he is getting, especially for three years. the red sox likely are NOT contending next year and would have been way better off going with an internal option such as kalish, sands, nava, or linares.
i hope this deal does not block kalish or sands because i want them to be given a GOOD chance to play every day. if they are, i think that one or both of them could be productive players.
so far this offseason, 30 million dollars have gone to old washed up players: david ross, mike napoli, jonny gomes, and now victorino. I really hope that these players will perform well. if they do, great! but if not, we have dug ourselves back into the hole that we were in before.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 4, 2012 17:54:06 GMT -5
So the only thing left to address is the rotation and some roster tweeks. Cherington, I imagine, is going to devote some time now to trading Salty.
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Post by hammyofdoom on Dec 4, 2012 17:54:45 GMT -5
Apparently someone had a 4 year deal out for Victorino. Actually the more I look at it, freaking Angel Pagan got 4 years 40 million and BJ Upton got that 75 million dollar deal I can only wonder what Nick Swisher would have been worth... The more I look at the current crop of CF/RF on the market the more I'm leaning towards this being a responsible deal. Is it perfect? No, not even close, but its for only 3 years at a price the Red Sox can not only afford, but dump at some point if the contract begins to look truly awful.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 4, 2012 17:55:29 GMT -5
Today at 4:30pm, beasleyrockah wrote: Do the Red Sox plan on only facing left handed pitching this season? It might be a good idea to grab an outfielder who can hit righties.
This - completely. Victorino's combined splits over the last 3 yrs vs. righties:
.244AVE/.311OBP/.390SLG/.701OPS
THAT is a platoon split. And it is not worth $39M no matter what the market says.
Ben Cherrington is doing a really good J. P. Ricciardi impersonation right now.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 4, 2012 17:56:37 GMT -5
Either fielding and baserunning is valuable or it isn't. Clearly (explicitly stated) the Sox are treating RF as a key defensive position.
It makes perfect sense to me -- half the point of payroll flexibility is the ability to overpay preferred role players on short deals. So: Gomes, Napoli, Victorino, Ross.
The team may or may not trade Ellsbury, Kalish may or may not develop into a starter, Brentz is a question, Bradley is scheduled to arrive in '14 but you never know -- Victorino is a good piece that can fit in no matter what transpires. And if he's overpaid $5M in the end, so what?
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Post by bluechip on Dec 4, 2012 17:57:29 GMT -5
this signing is uncreative and irresponsible. victorino is basically done. by how he played this past year, he did NOT deserve the money he is getting, especially for three years. the red sox likely are NOT contending next year and would have been way better off going with an internal option such as kalish, sands, nava, or linares. i hope this deal does not block kalish or sands because i want them to be given a GOOD chance to play every day. if they are, i think that one or both of them could be productive players. so far this offseason, 30 million dollars have gone to old washed up players: david ross, mike napoli, jonny gomes, and now victorino. I really hope that these players will perform well. if they do, great! but if not, we have dug ourselves back into the hole that we were in before. Its not anything close to the situation they were in before since less than 35 million dollars was given to four players rather than over 20 million dollars given to individual players. Hardly irresponsibly given the budget of this team. Signing Hamilton to a seven year deal and Grienke to six years would be irresponsible. I am not a fan of this signing, but it will not handcuff the team.
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Post by mjammz on Dec 4, 2012 17:58:37 GMT -5
Victorino is another great clubhouse, great community guy. He will always show up and play hard and has played in a major market. Also brings elite GG defense and speed to the lineup Is it an overpay? Absolutely, but we didn't give up a draft pick and aren't risking the future of our club with long term deals. A
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 4, 2012 18:02:06 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I like this deal, coupled with the Napoli deal. The team is spending money short term, and likely hinging their playoff hopes on their current core improving to pre 2012 levels.
They do this without giving up a draft pick or a single prospect. It also opens up a better possibility to move Ellsbury, whether it be during the offseason or at the trading deadline. Could Ells now be dealt for a top flight SP? Combine him with a prospect or two and get that top flight SP?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 18:02:16 GMT -5
Uncreative and irresponsible. A direct reflection of a front office with no plan. Oh they have a plan all right. It's to get plaudits from the media and they will with this signing. They will remember him from the World Series and that he's a "gamer" who "gets his uniform dirty." Unfortunately it appears that the player from those World Series doesn't exist anymore. Apparently his bat speed is really reduced and he can't hit righties. It appears all they've learned from the "Punto" trade is to sign players that the boston media will like, no past drug addicts or PED users allowed!!!! Not give up draft picks, and pay a player whatever he wants over the next three years. Maybe the team will learn it's lesson in 2015 when both Victorino and Napoli are released.
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Post by jmei on Dec 4, 2012 18:05:26 GMT -5
Here are some Cherington quotes from the last two days.
“It’s important to be strong defensively at certain spots on the field, certainly up the middle more than anywhere. And at Fenway, as you guys know, right field is pretty important, too."
[Re: draft pick compensation] “It’s a factor. It’s not the only factor. For the right guy, whether it’s this offseason or a future offseason, we factor that in but it’s not a roadblock,” said Cherington. “[But] we’ve done well in that area of the draft, the second round, so we don’t take that lightly. You’re still giving up value at that point.”
[Re: makeup and clubhouse fit] “It’s always been a focus. I think we know that coming off a 93 loss season, we’ve got a lot to improve. More than anything we need talent, talent wins games more than anything. But we know that in a place like this when we’re trying to build something coming off a very disappointing year, there’s going to be scrutiny, there’s going to be attention, I think having guys that have the ability to handle that and are tough enough to get through that and still perform and be who they are, there’s some level of importance to that. And certainly John Farrell and the coaching staff have something to do with that. The guys and the players in the clubhouse, the players in the clubhouse have a bigger impact on the clubhouse than anyone else.”
I mean, it certainly sounds like he's describing Victorino to the tee.
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Post by charliezink16 on Dec 4, 2012 18:06:18 GMT -5
Don't have a reliable source, but someone on twitter is stating that the next biggest offer was 2/$14mil. Not sure if I believe this, but I sure as hell hope it isn't true.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 4, 2012 18:07:18 GMT -5
Could the people bitching about the "overpay" here please A) actually provide some evidence, in terms of Victorino's projected value versus the market rate on wins, etc and B) explain to me why an overpay even matters given the Red Sox's financial situation?
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 4, 2012 18:07:39 GMT -5
Don't have a reliable source, but someone on twitter is stating that the next biggest offer was 2/$14mil. Not sure if I believe this, but I sure as hell hope it isn't true. ESPN already reported he had at least another $30M deal that he turned down. I want to say that they said it was a 4/40 deal
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Post by MLBDreams on Dec 4, 2012 18:07:40 GMT -5
ust wow by overpaying him with ridiculous contract. Just like Julio Lugo. I think it's insurance for the Red Sox as Ellsbury will depart in next year as FA. He'll move over to CF from RF in season 2014. They couldn't afford him with Boras as his agent. It's too bad to see Cody Ross out of Boston after one season as they rather to give 3 yr to Shane with minimum power (career high: 19 HR/69 RBI in 9 MLB seasons). Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=188&page=34#ixzz2E7xsXkpi
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 4, 2012 18:08:23 GMT -5
Another Role, Bench, Platoon Player.
Another terrible signing.
Red Sox are looking at last place for the next 3+ years.
Very disappointed in the "Round Table" decision makers.
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