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Post by geostorm on Oct 9, 2015 16:03:19 GMT -5
Portland or Vancouver would make a lot of sense to me in the under-served Pacific northwest for another AL team. For the NL, you could go almost anywhere. Indianapolis has done well historically for Triple-A attendance and they support two other major league sports teams. They are my darkhorse favorite, with one problem - the NL North is pretty obvious in the configuration you have. Charlotte, New Jersey (or Brooklyn if the territorial rights chance in the next CBA), or Montreal are all good options. Colorado is in a tough space if they go to four divisions. Could need to move someone (them or Arizona) to the AL to make it sensible. In my lifetime I really would love to see Havana and San Juan teams. Off top of my head, and obviously working outside of whats realistic, right now, my preference w/b a bit of a hybrid, incorporating some of your thoughts, James, and some of Chris' from immediately before you, with a sprinkle of my regard for what TB could've been, in ops and on field, w/ proper support, and my regard for playing at "altitude" - AL East: MON(former TB), NYY, BOS, BAL South: CHI, TEX, HOU, KCRen North: TOR, DET, MIN, CLE West: LAA, SEA, OAK, MEX perhaps flip CHI/CLE to keep Cubs/WSox mapped if interleague scheduling between them w otherwise be impacted NL East: NYM, PHI, WAS, PIT South: MIA, ATL, SJuan (former COL), Havana North: MIL, CHC, STL, CIN West: SFG, LAD, SDP, ARI Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/3080/2015-postseason-thread?page=3#ixzz3o6cEMGr8
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 9, 2015 19:13:51 GMT -5
I feel like an old man shaking my fist at a cloud, but where are the gray shirts? Why won't teams wear gray shirts in the playoffs? Why do the playoffs look like spring training and why are you on my lawn?
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 9, 2015 19:49:33 GMT -5
What a great game. Lester and Lackey are PITCHER'S.
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 9, 2015 20:39:09 GMT -5
Congrats to the Cards and Mr Lackey. Really enjoyed the game. Plan on watching the whole series.
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Post by Nick Rabasco2 on Oct 9, 2015 21:39:45 GMT -5
Amica >>>>> TBS zone
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 10, 2015 21:31:30 GMT -5
Jason Turner has got to be one of the most underrated players in all of baseball.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 11, 2015 6:30:11 GMT -5
Anyone have thoughts on whether that was a bad slide by Utley that injured Tejada?
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Post by chavopepe2 on Oct 11, 2015 7:18:04 GMT -5
They never call it, but it should be an automatic double play and possible ejection/suspension when a runner is aiming for the fielder and not the base, which Utley clearly was.
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Post by p23w on Oct 11, 2015 7:32:36 GMT -5
Hard slide by the offense, bad judgement by the defense. Two wrongs. Umpires decision makes for the trifecta of incorrect decisions from this play. The rules got in the way of doing the right thing, IMHO.
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Post by thursty on Oct 11, 2015 10:53:19 GMT -5
Jason Turner has got to be one of the most underrated players in all of baseball. Imagine having him instead of Sandoval
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Post by thursty on Oct 11, 2015 10:59:37 GMT -5
No question it was a late slide. I just hope they don't overreact; I'm all in favor of making baseball more competitive and edgy, there's too much fraternization among opposing players. Let's have more bat flips - and more inside pitches, and more yelling between pitcher and batter and less pregame hugs and chitchats
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 11, 2015 11:00:19 GMT -5
Hard slide by the offense, bad judgement by the defense. Two wrongs. Umpires decision makes for the trifecta of incorrect decisions from this play. The rules got in the way of doing the right thing, IMHO. I think you are right on all counts. If they want to change the rules like they did for catcher's, that would be a good idea. Not so much here, but reading in other places folks talking about the runner not touching the base. The rule states he "must be able" to touch the base, not touch it. This play also reminds me of the growth of Xander this year. He exposed himself like that a lot last year. I didn't see him do it once this year. Not sure if it was coaching, working with Pedey, or on his own, but glad he stopped doing it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 11, 2015 14:37:55 GMT -5
No question it was a late slide. I just hope they don't overreact; I'm all in favor of making baseball more competitive and edgy, there's too much fraternization among opposing players. Let's have more bat flips - and more inside pitches, and more yelling between pitcher and batter and less pregame hugs and chitchats So more broken legs is a good thing? Utley went out of his way to hurt the SS. I doubt he ever slides like that. At first I thought he was more hurt than Tejada, from the way the back of his head hit the dirt and bobbed back up. He wasn't doing anything remotely resembling a normal slide. At least when Hal McRae used to take out Willie Randolph he was approaching 2b. Utley didn't even seem to be doing that.
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Post by radiohix on Oct 11, 2015 17:38:42 GMT -5
Yost is as incompetent as it gets and his team has the best record in the AL. Shows you how much weight the managers have on the outcome of a game!
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 11, 2015 18:17:40 GMT -5
Utley deserves at least a two or three game suspension. He didn't even attempt to touch 2nd base with that take out slide.
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Post by jmei on Oct 11, 2015 18:22:32 GMT -5
No question it was a late slide. I just hope they don't overreact; I'm all in favor of making baseball more competitive and edgy, there's too much fraternization among opposing players. Let's have more bat flips - and more inside pitches, and more yelling between pitcher and batter and less pregame hugs and chitchats My opinion is that competitiveness and emotion is fine (e.g., bat flips), but rules should be in place that disincentivize acts that have a substantial likelihood of causing injury (e.g., takeout slides, throwing at hitters). Nobody wins when guys get injured.
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Post by p23w on Oct 11, 2015 19:00:01 GMT -5
Hard slide by the offense, bad judgement by the defense. Two wrongs. Umpires decision makes for the trifecta of incorrect decisions from this play. The rules got in the way of doing the right thing, IMHO. I think you are right on all counts. If they want to change the rules like they did for catcher's, that would be a good idea. Not so much here, but reading in other places folks talking about the runner not touching the base. The rule states he "must be able" to touch the base, not touch it. This play also reminds me of the growth of Xander this year. He exposed himself like that a lot last year. I didn't see him do it once this year. Not sure if it was coaching, working with Pedey, or on his own, but glad he stopped doing it. Agree 'bout Xander. Probably does have a lot to do with Pedey. One reason I am bullish about a better defense in 2016.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 21:19:19 GMT -5
Utley suspended for two games: www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/chase-utley-suspended-for-games-3-4-of-nlds.htmlsports.yahoo.com/news/dodgers-utley-suspended-2-playoff-games-illegal-slide-014505589--mlb.htmlMLB Chief Baseball Officer Joe Torre had this to say: “I recognize that there has been much commentary and many questions regarding the unfortunate play in last night’s game in which Ruben Tejada was injured. As I said after the game, the determination of whether a baserunner has intentionally interfered with a player attempting to turn a double play is left to the judgment of the Umpire on the field, and that judgment call is not subject to review. I should add that determining where to draw the line between an illegal slide and a legitimate hard play is an extremely difficult call for our Umpires." "However, after thoroughly reviewing the play from all conceivable angles, I have concluded that Mr. Utley’s action warrants discipline. While I sincerely believe that Mr. Utley had no intention of injuring Ruben Tejada, and was attempting to help his Club in a critical situation, I believe his slide was in violation of Official Baseball Rule 5.09 (a)(13), which is designed to protect fielders from precisely this type of rolling block that occurs away from the base."
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 11, 2015 21:54:57 GMT -5
Good.
It's remarkable that anyone on here is even defending that "slide."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 23:29:30 GMT -5
Good. It's remarkable that anyone on here is even defending that "slide." Two thoughts: (1) Look at the play closely and you'll notice Utley "slides" into second upright and his knee doesn't hit the ground until it's actually past the bag. From these facts alone you can determine there wasn't any real intent of touching the base. So, you've only got two ways to go. (1) If you want to say this was a "clean" play, then you're also implying that tackles and any other forms of breaking up the play regardless of intent to reach the base are also permissible, or (2) you own up to the fact that this wasn't a "clean" play and you do what's in the best interest of the players' health and the health of the game itself. (2) If this was Xander being taken out, not a single person on this board would defend Utley's actions.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 12, 2015 6:37:43 GMT -5
Good. It's remarkable that anyone on here is even defending that "slide." Two thoughts: (1) Look at the play closely and you'll notice Utley "slides" into second upright and his knee doesn't hit the ground until it's actually past the bag. From these facts alone you can determine there wasn't any real intent of touching the base. So, you've only got two ways to go. (1) If you want to say this was a "clean" play, then you're also implying that tackles and any other forms of breaking up the play regardless of intent to reach the base are also permissible, or (2) you own up to the fact that this wasn't a "clean" play and you do what's in the best interest of the players' health and the health of the game itself. (2) If this was Xander being taken out, not a single person on this board would defend Utley's actions. I'm honestly surprised that the Mets didn't storm the field there, it was that obvious.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 12, 2015 8:35:20 GMT -5
I agree slides like this need to be addressed. There's no place for this in baseball. And I was happy that MLB announced the suspension.
On the other hand, I think there were many slides during the year that were equally egregious (although without anyone getting hurt). My concern is this seems like selective enforcement. Player's association should fight this. Going forward, they need to enforce the rule (maybe altered a bit) across the league in a consistent manner.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 12, 2015 9:00:07 GMT -5
I agree slides like this need to be addressed. There's no place for this in baseball. And I was happy that MLB announced the suspension. On the other hand, I think there were many slides during the year that were equally egregious (although without anyone getting hurt). My concern is this seems like selective enforcement. Player's association should fight this. Going forward, they need to enforce the rule (maybe altered a bit) across the league in a consistent manner. I think they should change the rule saying that slides are for the purpose of getting safely to the base and any other clear intention will be punished either through getting removed from the game, fines or suspensions depending on the severity of the violation. Then there really is no need to define exactly what a legal slide is and leave it up to judgement. Baseball shouldn't be a contact sport so the rule should be "don't purposefully instigate contact". They will also need to make new rule about not blocking the bases intentionally like at home plate which could be tied into the "don't purposefully instigate contact" rule.
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 12, 2015 12:26:56 GMT -5
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Post by p23w on Oct 12, 2015 13:15:19 GMT -5
IMO Utley should "man up" and not contest his suspension. The Dodgers won the game, that should be enough. Whilst I do not like the Met team, I hope they win with Harvey today. Ultimately I'd like to see the Dodgers advance sans Utley playing perhaps until the World Series.
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