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Post by deepjohn on Aug 17, 2016 16:53:39 GMT -5
Technically, in the post-season, David Price needs to go to the bullpen. He's just not as good as the other four right now.* Right now, he's giving up more hard contact than the others and his K-BB rate is not enough better to make up for the contact. But Price should have enormous value in the bullpen in the post-season. With the extra days of rest, he might see almost as many batters as he would as a starter. * Now, that's not a knock on Price, as much as a testament to how good the other four are. And yes, at some point, Price should regress to his projection, but until then, he's not as good. Key word being "technically." I agree with you, but it'll never happen. With the questionable performance of their as-constituted 'pen, it's tough to say whether he would have more value potentially going deep into games, or (I would argue) pitching like he did in 2008. The salary and the organizational drive to preserve his psyche, to me, says almost no chance he goes into relief. Which begs the question: is what they have enough? Or are they just the 2013 Tigers with a better offense and worse starting pitching? Yeah, agree. The current performance of the bullpen is similar to bullpens that have been DDo's fatal flaw before, especially compared to Theo's Strop, Rondon and Chapman. I think DDo knows, this time, he needs somebody or two. But who? If not Price, then Erod. But who else? [Enter Kopech... No, tomorrow is Kopech day. ]
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Post by deepjohn on Aug 17, 2016 16:57:50 GMT -5
Technically, in the post-season, David Price needs to go to the bullpen. He's just not as good as the other four right now.* Right now, he's giving up more hard contact than the others and his K-BB rate is not enough better to make up for the contact. But Price should have enormous value in the bullpen in the post-season. With the extra days of rest, he might see almost as many batters as he would as a starter. * Now, that's not a knock on Price, as much as a testament to how good the other four are. And yes, at some point, Price should regress to his projection, but until then, he's not as good. My concern is with Steven Wright. Surprised no one has mentioned him. It won't be 72 degrees with no humidity in October. Plus his shoulder has to heal. Obviously if he regains his early season success, he'll be in..................Edit: it probably won't be humid, but October has quirky weather, cold mist, damp, ect. No, don't make me flashback. Boone? Timmeh? Is that you?
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Post by kungfuizzy on Aug 17, 2016 18:30:54 GMT -5
I think most of the clubhouse stuff is overblown with him. Sure, he's a dickhead, and so is Harper, which is probably the main reason for that incident. The fans in Philly suck and so did his team. He sounds willing to return here in whatever capacity, which makes me think he's less likely to act out like he did when he was frustrated in Philly. He'll never be an alter boy, but I don't remember him ever having any significant clubhouse issues when he was here before. Papelbon sucks and I hate he's a trump supporter. It means that he supports the 2nd and deportation and a bunch of other things. I can't get behind this addition.
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Post by jmei on Aug 17, 2016 18:40:09 GMT -5
Pre-emptively-- let's keep any political discussion off the main forums. If you want to have that discussion, please feel free to start a thread in the Off-Topic Forum. Thanks.
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 19, 2016 14:31:27 GMT -5
Would it be a good idea to bring up Brian Johnson as another lefty out of the bullpen? His splits against lefties have always been great, maybe he could fill the role that Abad was acquired to fill. I realize that he has had anxiety issues, and recognize that they might be a reason not to put him in that position, but there is absolutely no way that Johnson could be as bad as Abad has been, and if used out of the bullpen against mostly LHH’s, perhaps it could be a good thing for Johnson, as that should be significantly easier than calling him up to start a game against a predominantly RH lineup.
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Post by nomar on Aug 19, 2016 15:23:06 GMT -5
Johnson's current mental and physical states are way too hard to speculate on at this point. I'm sure the org has their reasons for handling him however they do. It would be cool to see him get a shot if he's ready for it.
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Post by geostorm on Aug 19, 2016 16:04:16 GMT -5
I had offered this thought, earlier, outside of this forum, and it was dismissed out of hand - I had wondered if Red Sox would ride Pomerantz as a SP, right through any current career high in innings, until he was deemed ineffective, perhaps due to fatigue, and then be shut down...or would they likely have an innings total in mind, after which they'd transition him to a BP role, for whatever was left in the season...
...that was countered by a "WTF would they do that (the latter) after having dealt Espinoza?!".
Despite my further clarifying, that it was just a query about possible options for this season only, I couldn't bring the other party around...
...and then I saw Alex Speier, in today's 108 release, comprehensively reviewing the various available BP options w/ thumbnail sketches, including this one -
"DREW POMERANZ OR EDUARDO RODRIGUEZ: The Red Sox also could consider keeping Buchholz in the rotation and moving Pomeranz or Rodriguez into a late-innings power arm. Pomeranz, of course, has several years of experience as a sometimes-dominant reliever, and he’s currently in uncharted workload waters."
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Post by Guidas on Aug 20, 2016 13:56:33 GMT -5
I would still love it if they tried making starters on their pitch day (usually 3 days after start where they throw 25-35 pitches at max effort after warming up) to wait until after the games and use them as a reliever. There would be strict protocols for this so a manager can't abuse the starters, and these protocols don't even have to be discussed publicly. The most obvious among these would be:
1) The throw day starter brought in for a relieve appearance would always start an inning if they were used in this fashion.
2) They would adhere to a strict pitch count, which is whatever pitch count has been deem appropriate for this starter.
Of course, if they are not needed then they get their work in after the game is over (or in late innings if it is in fact a blow-out).
This is just an idea I've had in my head for a few years when I've been thinking about inefficiencies or underused resources, but I admit there may be some reasons not to try it that I am unaware of, or it could just be completely daft. Any thoughts?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 20, 2016 15:36:40 GMT -5
I would still love it if they tried making starters on their pitch day (usually 3 days after start where they throw 25-35 pitches at max effort after warming up) to wait until after the games and use them as a reliever. There would be strict protocols for this so a manager can't abuse the starters, and these protocols don't even have to be discussed publicly. The most obvious among these would be: 1) The throw day starter brought in for a relieve appearance would always start an inning if they were used in this fashion. 2) They would adhere to a strict pitch count, which is whatever pitch count has been deem appropriate for this starter. Of course, if they are not needed then they get their work in after the game is over (or in late innings if it is in fact a blow-out). This is just an idea I've had in my head for a few years when I've been thinking about inefficiencies or underused resources, but I admit there may be some reasons not to try it that I am unaware of, or it could just be completely daft. Any thoughts? I have to imagine that it's more stress on arms to be pitching in a game situation than in a controlled bullpen session. That's probably why they don't do it except in extreme situations like the playoffs or in a long extra inning game. But I always did argue that Koji shouldn't be coming into 8-1 games just because he warmed up and should instead throw a controlled bullpen session to reduce stress on his arm.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 20, 2016 21:20:36 GMT -5
Uehara's on record as saying he much prefers to come into a game if he has warmed, for both the mental and physical sides of his game. That's really one of those things you need to take on a pitcher-by-pitcher basis. It's also something that is helped when you're willing to use pitchers for multi-inning outings.
Throwing a bullpen session and pitching in a game are totally different physically, but I'd think the mental side would be even harder. I don't feel like they need Rick Porcello out in the bullpen wondering if he'll be needed in the middle of his between-start routine. Not impossible to think there are some pitchers out there who would enjoy that, though.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 21, 2016 15:31:00 GMT -5
If I were the Sox, I would make a trade for David Robertson.
Trade Allen Craig back to help the salaries and throw in a Okimney type or something.
This is probably the last move the Sox could make to improve the pen imo.
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Post by artfuldodger on Aug 21, 2016 16:35:36 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 21, 2016 17:29:36 GMT -5
If Papelbon REALLY wanted to come back to Boston the way the media made it sound he would have signed by now. He's not coming here. Despite his declining performance I think he could have helped. Is he better than Heath Embree? I think he is - right now, but I don't think it necessarily was an either/or type of question. They both could have existed on the roster come September anyways, but it's a moot point. If he decides not to pitch this year then whatever little respect I had for him is gone. It tells me he doesn't really care about winning - the Nats obviously have a great shot at going far in the playoffs. It tells me all he cares about is his oversized ego, and if that's the case the hell with him. Too bad, though. I think the Sox could have used him.
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Post by bosox on Aug 21, 2016 18:35:13 GMT -5
If Papelbon REALLY wanted to come back to Boston the way the media made it sound he would have signed by now. He's not coming here. Despite his declining performance I think he could have helped. Is he better than Heath Embree? I think he is - right now, but I don't think it necessarily was an either/or type of question. They both could have existed on the roster come September anyways, but it's a moot point. If he decides not to pitch this year then whatever little respect I had for him is gone. It tells me he doesn't really care about winning - the Nats obviously have a great shot at going far in the playoffs. It tells me all he cares about is his oversized ego, and if that's the case the hell with him. Too bad, though. I think the Sox could have used him. Just a guess but he probably wants a closer role, which JF has said if he came to the Sox it wouldn't be as the closer. I don't think there are any closer roles open on the contending teams and as mentioned in the article, he'll need additional ramp up time the longer he waits to decide.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 21, 2016 19:22:43 GMT -5
If Papelbon REALLY wanted to come back to Boston the way the media made it sound he would have signed by now. He's not coming here. Despite his declining performance I think he could have helped. Is he better than Heath Embree? I think he is - right now, but I don't think it necessarily was an either/or type of question. They both could have existed on the roster come September anyways, but it's a moot point. If he decides not to pitch this year then whatever little respect I had for him is gone. It tells me he doesn't really care about winning - the Nats obviously have a great shot at going far in the playoffs. It tells me all he cares about is his oversized ego, and if that's the case the hell with him. Too bad, though. I think the Sox could have used him. Just a guess but he probably wants a closer role, which JF has said if he came to the Sox it wouldn't be as the closer. I don't think there are any closer roles open on the contending teams and as mentioned in the article, he'll need additional ramp up time the longer he waits to decide. I think you have BINGO. I think he's more concerned with lining up the biggest payday possible while soothing his ego that he has to be a closer, and has that as a higher priority than winning - after all he did jump ship from a 1st place team. Too bad. Despite the questions about his performance, he would have a low bar to clear - we're talking about beating out a cooked Tazawa, and questionable pitchers, a bad Abad, and questionable pitchers like Buchholz (who has pitched better), Kelly, Hembree, but I think this is all a moot point anyways. As far as the ramping up thing, I would think that Paps could still ramp up by mid September and still have a couple of weeks for evaluation, but again a moot point, for a pitcher who appears to care more about his ego and payday than getting the ring. Too bad. Hope I'm really wrong about this because despite his declining fastball, he might have been able to help the pen.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 22, 2016 11:35:51 GMT -5
My guess in the delay of Papelbon's decision is that no team offered a contract.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 22, 2016 12:02:51 GMT -5
My guess in the delay of Papelbon's decision is that no team offered a contract. You mean beyond this year?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 22, 2016 18:54:46 GMT -5
My guess in the delay of Papelbon's decision is that no team offered a contract. You mean beyond this year? I mean this year.
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Post by awall on Aug 23, 2016 7:06:10 GMT -5
When does Kelly get a chance to replace Tazawa (who I don't believe is anywhere near 100% healthy)?
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Post by nomar on Aug 23, 2016 8:18:05 GMT -5
When does Kelly get a chance to replace Tazawa (who I don't believe is anywhere near 100% healthy)? Just came here to say this. Kelly has some upside in the pen and Tazawa is as bad as it gets right now. Call him up and DL Taz.
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Post by tjb21 on Aug 23, 2016 8:21:55 GMT -5
When does Kelly get a chance to replace Tazawa (who I don't believe is anywhere near 100% healthy)? I've been thinking this too, seems odd he hasn't been called up to replace Taz. I think they both stink but Kelly might stink less.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Aug 23, 2016 9:13:35 GMT -5
You mean beyond this year? I mean this year. Does he not already have a contract for this year? He's making $11 mil paid by former team.
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Post by nomar on Aug 23, 2016 9:22:32 GMT -5
Does he not already have a contract for this year? He's making $11 mil paid by former team. He's saying that he believes nobody wants to pick him up out of free agency right now because he's clubhouse cancer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 9:28:21 GMT -5
The Sox best chance at a reliable 8th inning guy is for Koji to return healthy and rested. My fingers are crossed. It could be a huge boost.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 23, 2016 10:17:45 GMT -5
Does anyone else's face burn every time they read the phrase "8th inning guy?" Just me? I mean, I almost can wrap my head around the fact that there would be a "closer's mentaltiy" if I contort my head at a certain angle and watch Baseball Tonight too much for a couple months. But an "8th inning guy mentality?" 8th inning guy is just an awkward buzzword for "good pitcher." I'm not trying to pick on you kcsox - there was a huge discussion in the gameday thread today about whether Ross was an 8th inning guy or not and it aggravated me. Ross is a good pitcher and therefore should be used in high leverage situations, such as the 8th inning.
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