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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2015 10:27:39 GMT -5
No he almost went for one of the best all around players in baseball then was pulled back when they felt he was banged up. That's not even true. Gomez was hurt all year long. You have no clue why the trade didn't go through. If you think the two are really that far off in trade value I don't know what to tell you, because they aren't... We do have a clue why it didn't go thru. The mets agreed reviewed medicals hen asked for more money because he was more hurt than they thought. They made the trade expecting he had recovered health wise. Hence, they thought he was the player from the previous two seasons when he was one of the best all around players in the game. Maybe the Mets intended to ask for money all along bc they are cheap, but the pretense was he was healthy then it was changed. He actually played much better with the Astros. Almost a 4 War player even though he was still playing during an injury year. Norm are you trying to say Bradley is as good as Gomez? Incidentally enough, Gomez is kind of the guy we hope Bradley can be like. Great defender with good pop. Bradley needs to cut down the Ks. We can say Bradley is a better defender, but Gomez was almost as good if not as good when he was Bradley's age. JBjr is probably at his peak defensively and it will most likely regress a bit as he gets older and miles on the tires.
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Post by nomar on Nov 20, 2015 10:32:05 GMT -5
That's not even true. Gomez was hurt all year long. You have no clue why the trade didn't go through. If you think the two are really that far off in trade value I don't know what to tell you, because they aren't... We do have a clue why it didn't go thru. The mets agreed reviewed medicals hen asked for more money because he was more hurt than they thought. They made the trade expecting he had recovered health wise. Hence, they thought he was the player from the previous two seasons when he was one of the best all around players in the game. Maybe the Mets intended to ask for money all along bc they are cheap, but the pretense was he was healthy then it was changed. He actually played much better with the Astros. Almost a 4 War player even though he was still playing during an injury year. Norm are you trying to say Bradley is as good as Gomez? Incidentally enough, Gomez is kind of the guy we hope Bradley can be like. Great defender with good pop. Bradley needs to cut down the Ks. We can say Bradley is a better defender, but Gomez was almost as good if not as good when he was Bradley's age. JBjr is probably at his peak defensively and it will most likely regress a bit as he gets older and miles on the tires. I love Gomez, but I don't think Bradley ever had the raw power Gomez does. Took a while for Gomez to tap into it. It would be great if Bradley's prime resembled Gomez's. Either way, I think you're probably overvaluing Wheeler a bit though. I would assume Bradley + someone like Marrero would be a fair deal. I think DD wants to go bigger with the last rotation spot though.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2015 10:44:19 GMT -5
Maybe, but Bradley for Wheeler has Sell high/buy low written all over it. Wheeler was a highly rated prospect with great stuff who was pitching like it before he got injured. He's top of he rotation potential who's actually pitches like it in the major leagues, albeit for a short sample. I take that risk all day for a guy like Bradley especially with Betts on my roster.
Sign a free agent ace and roll with said free agent, Wheeler and Erod.. Hell yes
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Post by nomar on Nov 20, 2015 10:47:00 GMT -5
Hey, I don't need convincing. Sign me up!
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 20, 2015 11:47:57 GMT -5
Maybe, but Bradley for Wheeler has Sell high/buy low written all over it. Wheeler was a highly rated prospect with great stuff who was pitching like it before he got injured. He's top of he rotation potential who's actually pitches like it in the major leagues, albeit for a short sample. I take that risk all day for a guy like Bradley especially with Betts on my roster. Sign a free agent ace and roll with said free agent, Wheeler and Erod.. Hell yes I do think we need to sell high on JBJ now.....it wasn't that long ago we were toying with the idea to trade him for a lottery ticket. Did he figure it out, maybe. Just think with AB a year on 2 away, we can use/sign a Parra/Holt/Shaw/Chris Young type player(s).
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 20, 2015 12:22:00 GMT -5
I love Bradley, but I'm not sold that he has figured it out at the plate... yet. This coming year should tell a lot. I mentioned this on another post.....I think we need to sell high on him....I would trade him for Giles who is under team control till 2020.... The bullpen is such a weapon. We don't know if Koji is going to continue to succeed at his age. Looking @ the WS this year, the games were over in the 6th inning if they had a lead. This forces the opposing managers' to make decisions in the middle innings he normally wouldn't make. JBJ is an elite defender, his bat should be ok, but what he goes back to hitting his weight? Someone like Giles is more of a sure thing. Chris Young/Gerardo Parra platoon for LF + Giles > JBJ & no Giles. How much of a weapon is a bullpen when the team is trailing or has a lead of 3 runs or more?
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 20, 2015 12:23:29 GMT -5
That's not even true. Gomez was hurt all year long. You have no clue why the trade didn't go through. If you think the two are really that far off in trade value I don't know what to tell you, because they aren't... We do have a clue why it didn't go thru. The mets agreed reviewed medicals hen asked for more money because he was more hurt than they thought. They made the trade expecting he had recovered health wise. Hence, they thought he was the player from the previous two seasons when he was one of the best all around players in the game. Maybe the Mets intended to ask for money all along bc they are cheap, but the pretense was he was healthy then it was changed. He actually played much better with the Astros. Almost a 4 War player even though he was still playing during an injury year. Norm are you trying to say Bradley is as good as Gomez? Incidentally enough, Gomez is kind of the guy we hope Bradley can be like. Great defender with good pop. Bradley needs to cut down the Ks. We can say Bradley is a better defender, but Gomez was almost as good if not as good when he was Bradley's age. JBjr is probably at his peak defensively and it will most likely regress a bit as he gets older and miles on the tires. Gomez costs a lot more so they can't be compared apples to apples.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2015 12:30:35 GMT -5
I love Bradley, but I'm not sold that he has figured it out at the plate... yet. This coming year should tell a lot. I mentioned this on another post.....I think we need to sell high on him....I would trade him for Giles who is under team control till 2020....The bullpen is such a weapon. We don't know if Koji is going to continue to succeed at his age. Looking @ the WS this year, the games were over in the 6th inning if they had a lead. This forces the opposing managers' to make decisions in the middle innings he normally wouldn't make. JBJ is an elite defender, his bat should be ok, but what he goes back to hitting his weight? Someone like Giles is more of a sure thing. Chris Young/Gerardo Parra platoon for LF + Giles > JBJ & no Giles. What makes you think Bradley can't hit and that you are selling high? Bradley's minor league numbers show he can hit. Sox handled him about as poorly as any team could. The only thing that screams fluke from last year is his power, that will drop. I can see his average and obs going up next year. Bradley will hit enough for his D to play. I see his first two years of spotty play in the majors as the fluke and a young player adjusting . It's really hard on a player when a team keeps calling you up and sending you down. Adds a lot of pressure to hit in your few AB's or your going back to minors. Bradley had to prove to himself that he could hit major league pitching. Now that he has, his head is out of the way, that will allow his natural ability to take over.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 20, 2015 12:37:14 GMT -5
Please take the trade proposal stuff to that forum. Leave this thread for any information about a possible trade of Bradley that you have information about.
And rjp, what I'm saying is what I said, that last year Bradley had about as much value as Gomez though he played in 41 fewer games.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 23, 2015 9:42:11 GMT -5
I mentioned this on another post.....I think we need to sell high on him....I would trade him for Giles who is under team control till 2020....The bullpen is such a weapon. We don't know if Koji is going to continue to succeed at his age. Looking @ the WS this year, the games were over in the 6th inning if they had a lead. This forces the opposing managers' to make decisions in the middle innings he normally wouldn't make. JBJ is an elite defender, his bat should be ok, but what he goes back to hitting his weight? Someone like Giles is more of a sure thing. Chris Young/Gerardo Parra platoon for LF + Giles > JBJ & no Giles. What makes you think Bradley can't hit and that you are selling high? Bradley's minor league numbers show he can hit. Sox handled him about as poorly as any team could. The only thing that screams fluke from last year is his power, that will drop. I can see his average and obs going up next year. Bradley will hit enough for his D to play. I see his first two years of spotty play in the majors as the fluke and a young player adjusting . It's really hard on a player when a team keeps calling you up and sending you down. Adds a lot of pressure to hit in your few AB's or your going back to minors. Bradley had to prove to himself that he could hit major league pitching. Now that he has, his head is out of the way, that will allow his natural ability to take over. I'm not disagreeing with you saying JBJ can hit. He should be able to hit. I don't think we should trade him for anything other than a real good BP arm or a #2 SP or something of similar value. I would think most MLB players come up and down as the norm due to options, ect. A lot of guys could hit in the minors & just simply couldn't sustain it in the majors. I will say DD will probably not move him due to your assessment & I do hope he can hit .250 over a full year. I just fear the worst I guess.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2015 9:55:18 GMT -5
This is what happens with young players, their value changes on a dime.
This thread is probably pointless right now as there is no evidence they would deal him and all signs point to them needing him. He's a low salary and hits left handed. Both things this lineup needs.
I think we all agree his defense is all world. We all agree his bat is a question mark. We just differ how big of a question and only time will answer that at this point.
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Post by brisox on Nov 23, 2015 11:57:53 GMT -5
There is plenty of interest on JBJ , but the Sox don't want to trade him, even if his offense is mediocre his defense and clubhouse make up , make the difference. He is so liked by everyone on the team and Papi apparently thinks he is going to be as good a hitter as he is . Castillo , however, they are all ears on.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2015 15:33:59 GMT -5
What makes you think Bradley can't hit and that you are selling high? Bradley's minor league numbers show he can hit. Sox handled him about as poorly as any team could. The only thing that screams fluke from last year is his power, that will drop. I can see his average and obs going up next year. Bradley will hit enough for his D to play. I see his first two years of spotty play in the majors as the fluke and a young player adjusting . It's really hard on a player when a team keeps calling you up and sending you down. Adds a lot of pressure to hit in your few AB's or your going back to minors. Bradley had to prove to himself that he could hit major league pitching. Now that he has, his head is out of the way, that will allow his natural ability to take over. I'm not disagreeing with you saying JBJ can hit. He should be able to hit. I don't think we should trade him for anything other than a real good BP arm or a #2 SP or something of similar value. I would think most MLB players come up and down as the norm due to options, ect. A lot of guys could hit in the minors & just simply couldn't sustain it in the majors. I will say DD will probably not move him due to your assessment & I do hope he can hit .250 over a full year. I just fear the worst I guess. I don't think there is a bullpen arm out there that could match Bradley output over the next 4/5 years. A #2 starter with 3 plus years of control and I am all ears and willing to listen.
For me I think Bradley's floor is .250 average. If I had to guess I would say he is a .260 to .270 hitter next year, with an obp over .350, but a much lower slugging % then he showed this year. With his D that is a very valuable player.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 23, 2015 16:23:58 GMT -5
I still don't see why they just can't start the Winter Meetings today and wrap them up by Wednesday afternoon. We're all obviously starving for some news and acquisitions here. Don't these people realize we have extensive celebration/complaining/analyzing that we're dying to do based on moves we have no idea about!? Sheesh.
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Post by jimoh on Nov 23, 2015 16:25:21 GMT -5
Please take the trade proposal stuff to that forum. Leave this thread for any information about a possible trade of Bradley that you have information about. [...] So, no one's interested in this request that this thread be about " information about a possible trade of Bradley" rather than musings?
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2015 17:52:47 GMT -5
Yea this thread should be either converted to a general JBjr thread or closed there are no rumors.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 24, 2015 10:49:25 GMT -5
I still don't see why they just can't start the Winter Meetings today and wrap them up by Wednesday afternoon. We're all obviously starving for some news and acquisitions here. Don't these people realize we have extensive celebration/complaining/analyzing that we're dying to do based on moves we have no idea about!? Sheesh. There should be about a week off after the conclusion of the World Series, then the rest of November for meetings/trades/signings, pitchers and catchers report December first, and we can all enjoy opening day while sweating out our New Year's hangovers. Rob Manfred, make this happen or you are a failure as commissioner.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 24, 2015 10:55:38 GMT -5
I still don't see why they just can't start the Winter Meetings today and wrap them up by Wednesday afternoon. We're all obviously starving for some news and acquisitions here. Don't these people realize we have extensive celebration/complaining/analyzing that we're dying to do based on moves we have no idea about!? Sheesh. There should be about a week off after the conclusion of the World Series, then the rest of November for meetings/trades/signings, pitchers and catchers report December first, and we can all enjoy opening day while sweating out our New Year's hangovers. Rob Manfred, make this happen or you are a failure as commissioner.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 24, 2015 21:37:40 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 44s44 seconds ago Farrell on WEEI says Bradley will play CF for #RedSox with Betts in RF and Castillo in LF.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 24, 2015 21:41:06 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 44s44 seconds ago Farrell on WEEI says Bradley will play CF for #RedSox with Betts in RF and Castillo in LF. That alignment certainly makes the most sense.
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Post by lithuaniansoxfan on Nov 24, 2015 21:45:42 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 44s44 seconds ago Farrell on WEEI says Bradley will play CF for #RedSox with Betts in RF and Castillo in LF. That is either good news (because it is the right answer), or it means consider him traded. Because posturing.
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Post by goldenmonkey34 on Nov 25, 2015 0:22:26 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 44s44 seconds ago Farrell on WEEI says Bradley will play CF for #RedSox with Betts in RF and Castillo in LF. That alignment certainly makes the most sense. Agreed. Also I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but if this is indeed our outfield alignment we may have the best defensive outfield in the league. We would basically have three true CF, all being above average defenders (thats if i remember correctly Castillo was viewed as a good defender). Excuse me if I'm wrong, I just cant think of another team that would be better.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 25, 2015 0:49:29 GMT -5
Castillo was a revelation in left field, playing the wall and the corners as if he was born to it. That was only over a few games, but he looked very good out there.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 25, 2015 7:22:50 GMT -5
Castillo was a revelation in left field, playing the wall and the corners as if he was born to it. That was only over a few games, but he looked very good out there. Now if he could only hit.....
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Post by dirtywater on Nov 25, 2015 8:35:21 GMT -5
So if we're handing out outfield positions I assume JBJ is off the market? ... unless DD is absolutely blown away.
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