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Post by dirtywater on Nov 25, 2015 8:35:52 GMT -5
Castillo was a revelation in left field, playing the wall and the corners as if he was born to it. That was only over a few games, but he looked very good out there. Now if he could only hit..... stay healthy
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 25, 2015 11:19:01 GMT -5
So if we're handing out outfield positions I assume JBJ is off the market? ... unless DD is absolutely blown away. I'm pretty sure the trade of Margot meant that the three outfielders (essentially just meaning Castillo as well) were off the market unless another outfielder was being acquired. There's pretty much no outfield depth right now, which is why they're pursuing a 4th OF. Your PawSox outfield right now (before the MLFA signings that are certainly coming) contains Cecchini, Brentz, (both who I'd handicap as more likely to be DFA'ed this offseason than given any significant time in Boston before an extended period of success in Pawtucket), Craig, and maybe Aneury Tavarez.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 25, 2015 13:20:46 GMT -5
So if we're handing out outfield positions I assume JBJ is off the market? ... unless DD is absolutely blown away. I'm pretty sure the trade of Margot meant that the three outfielders (essentially just meaning Castillo as well) were off the market unless another outfielder was being acquired. There's pretty much no outfield depth right now, which is why they're pursuing a 4th OF. Your PawSox outfield right now (before the MLFA signings that are certainly coming) contains Cecchini, Brentz, (both who I'd handicap as more likely to be DFA'ed this offseason than given any significant time in Boston before an extended period of success in Pawtucket), Craig, and maybe Aneury Tavarez. Each of our starters ERA just dropped a run.....Scary thought about our depth with this Pawtucket OF not exactly knocking down the door.....hopefully AB moves quickly....maybe we can pick up a few rule 5 OF's.
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Post by dirtywater on Nov 25, 2015 13:33:36 GMT -5
Do you think Bryce Brentz has a shot to see time? They didn't DFA him when they made their 40 man moves. Wonder if it was just a matter of the outfield depth being so weak.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 25, 2015 13:45:08 GMT -5
Do you think Bryce Brentz has a shot to see time? They didn't DFA him when they made their 40 man moves. Wonder if it was just a matter of the outfield depth being so weak. He hasn't been DFA yet, but it's a long offseason. (Not that I think they will DFA him. I think he could still reclaim some value. But if you look at the 40, he's got to presently be in the bottom 5 in terms of DFA candidates if needed with Mendez, Aro, Coyle, and Cecchini.) I don't think they'll DFA him, but he has been injured when he's had the potential opportunity to be called up at least once in each of the past three seasons, he has had injuries that cost him at least 6 weeks in each of the last three seasons, and he struck out at a nearly career-high rate last season while putting up a .232/.308/.382 line. The power is very clearly there (16% of his hits were home runs; 1/3 of them went for extra bases), but I don't think he'll hit enough in the majors to tap into it. He might have a role as a platoon OF against LHP somewhere, but not in Boston. Best case scenario for him and the Sox is probably that he goes to Pawtucket, proves he's healthy, and he interests some team as the second or third part of a deal at the deadline, as he's on his last option.
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Post by gerry on Nov 26, 2015 12:50:28 GMT -5
So if we're handing out outfield positions I assume JBJ is off the market? ... unless DD is absolutely blown away. I'm pretty sure the trade of Margot meant that the three outfielders (essentially just meaning Castillo as well) were off the market unless another outfielder was being acquired. There's pretty much no outfield depth right now, which is why they're pursuing a 4th OF. Your PawSox outfield right now (before the MLFA signings that are certainly coming) contains Cecchini, Brentz, (both who I'd handicap as more likely to be DFA'ed this offseason than given any significant time in Boston before an extended period of success in Pawtucket), Craig, and maybe Aneury Tavarez. With the call to improve defense around the league, this OF is stellar, and it has shown it should/can hit. Even with DDO wanting a big bat to back up this OF, I suspect that big bat also arrives with a good glove. One would think that CB Young or AdeAza + Holt + Shaw in LF and (hopefully) a healthy Brentz in RF would be pretty good depth.
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Post by m1keyboots on Nov 26, 2015 14:01:27 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the trade of Margot meant that the three outfielders (essentially just meaning Castillo as well) were off the market unless another outfielder was being acquired. There's pretty much no outfield depth right now, which is why they're pursuing a 4th OF. Your PawSox outfield right now (before the MLFA signings that are certainly coming) contains Cecchini, Brentz, (both who I'd handicap as more likely to be DFA'ed this offseason than given any significant time in Boston before an extended period of success in Pawtucket), Craig, and maybe Aneury Tavarez. With the call to improve defense around the league, this OF is stellar, and it has shown it should/can hit. Even with DDO wanting a big bat to back up this OF, I suspect that big bat also arrives with a good glove. One would think that CB Young or AdeAza + Holt + Shaw in LF and (hopefully) a healthy Brentz in RF would be pretty good depth. I feel like even if JBJ regressed at the plate and rusney doesn't become the 20-20 we want to see, their combined d will still be the strength of this club. JBJ goes and gets them, Rusney might be closer in arm strength to jbj Than I thought, and Mookie has that quick release and is accurate. Mookie leading off, rusney and JBJ somewhere between 6 and 8...that's a win for the price (which really only comes from Rusney)
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Post by larrycook on Nov 26, 2015 16:21:44 GMT -5
With the call to improve defense around the league, this OF is stellar, and it has shown it should/can hit. Even with DDO wanting a big bat to back up this OF, I suspect that big bat also arrives with a good glove. One would think that CB Young or AdeAza + Holt + Shaw in LF and (hopefully) a healthy Brentz in RF would be pretty good depth. I feel like even if JBJ regressed at the plate and rusney doesn't become the 20-20 we want to see, their combined d will still be the strength of this club. JBJ goes and gets them, Rusney might be closer in arm strength to jbj Than I thought, and Mookie has that quick release and is accurate. Mookie leading off, rusney and JBJ somewhere between 6 and 8...that's a win for the price (which really only comes from Rusney) The arm strength or lack there of when talking about betts, is why I think betts should be in left and castillo in right next season. I am good with leaving Bradley in center,
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Post by terriblehondo on Nov 26, 2015 17:59:20 GMT -5
I feel like even if JBJ regressed at the plate and rusney doesn't become the 20-20 we want to see, their combined d will still be the strength of this club. JBJ goes and gets them, Rusney might be closer in arm strength to jbj Than I thought, and Mookie has that quick release and is accurate. Mookie leading off, rusney and JBJ somewhere between 6 and 8...that's a win for the price (which really only comes from Rusney) The arm strength or lack there of when talking about betts, is why I think betts should be in left and castillo in right next season. I am good with leaving Bradley in center, I would normally agree based on arm strength but Castillo really did a great job in Left at Fenway. So I would leave Betts in right.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 26, 2015 18:50:50 GMT -5
The arm strength or lack there of when talking about betts, is why I think betts should be in left and castillo in right next season. I am good with leaving Bradley in center, I would normally agree based on arm strength but Castillo really did a great job in Left at Fenway. So I would leave Betts in right. He did play that wall well, and he got the ball into 2nd quickly holding a few runners. He may have a slightly stronger arm that Mookie, but he just looks more comfortable in left for some reason.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 26, 2015 22:05:12 GMT -5
Manny was a bad left fielder overall but he had a strong accurate arm and we saw on a lot of occasions how that can be a weapon at Fenway... You can cut a lot of runners down at the bases from that position in Fenway and id prefer Mookies range in right
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Post by xanderdu on Nov 26, 2015 22:54:21 GMT -5
These 3 kids will be the greatest defensive outfield in my 50+ years watching them. I'm very much looking forward to whacjing my forehead often this season, while exclaiming, "I don't believe he did that!"
The three have to provide a half run reduction for the staff, and I know when a pitcher trusts his defenders, magic can happen from that.
You add Vazquez, Bogaerts, and Pedroia and you have a solid up the middle core, with a nice umbrella effect provided by the corner guys.
Less than 75 days until pitchers report!
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Post by larrycook on Nov 26, 2015 23:50:36 GMT -5
Can Castillo stay healthy for an entire season?
If he goes down, does Hanley go back into left field?
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 26, 2015 23:56:53 GMT -5
Can Castillo stay healthy for an entire season? If he goes down, does Hanley go back into left field? They'd have to be pretty thin for Hanley to make the move back. We'll see Shaw there before Hanley.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 26, 2015 23:59:49 GMT -5
Can Castillo stay healthy for an entire season? If he goes down, does Hanley go back into left field? I think you have a better shot at seeing time in LF than Hanley does. Doubt he'll ever play the outfield again. DDo will get another outfielder, one that will be a 4th OF who can play more often. My guess is he'll grab Rajai Davis. DeAza would be another good example, but odds are he can get a regular gig elsewhere.
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Post by xanderdu on Nov 27, 2015 0:32:18 GMT -5
Can Castillo stay healthy for an entire season? If he goes down, does Hanley go back into left field? Likely the RH OF they're trying to obtain goes there. If that's Young, they'd be in good shape. I'm good with both Holt, and Shaw for intermediate periods of time also.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 27, 2015 4:20:45 GMT -5
Do you think Bryce Brentz has a shot to see time? They didn't DFA him when they made their 40 man moves. Wonder if it was just a matter of the outfield depth being so weak. He hasn't been DFA yet, but it's a long offseason. (Not that I think they will DFA him. I think he could still reclaim some value. But if you look at the 40, he's got to presently be in the bottom 5 in terms of DFA candidates if needed with Mendez, Aro, Coyle, and Cecchini.) I don't think they'll DFA him, but he has been injured when he's had the potential opportunity to be called up at least once in each of the past three seasons, he has had injuries that cost him at least 6 weeks in each of the last three seasons, and he struck out at a nearly career-high rate last season while putting up a .232/.308/.382 line. The power is very clearly there (16% of his hits were home runs; 1/3 of them went for extra bases), but I don't think he'll hit enough in the majors to tap into it. He might have a role as a platoon OF against LHP somewhere, but not in Boston. Best case scenario for him and the Sox is probably that he goes to Pawtucket, proves he's healthy, and he interests some team as the second or third part of a deal at the deadline, as he's on his last option. Brentz drives me crazy. His power is just so good, but he can't stay healthy. He also gets injured at the worst times. He's always shooting himself in the foot. Haha! I think he could really be a good platoon against LHP, he hits them enough for his power to play. Have to agree chances are that happens on a team like Oakland.
I mean if your picking from Coyle, Cecchini and Brentz man that is hard. They are all about the same. They have all had there moments. Would have to say Brentz is gone if we sign an OF. Based on the fact that Brentz can't stay healthy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 27, 2015 4:32:05 GMT -5
Can Castillo stay healthy for an entire season? If he goes down, does Hanley go back into left field? I think you have a better shot at seeing time in LF than Hanley does. Doubt he'll ever play the outfield again. DDo will get another outfielder, one that will be a 4th OF who can play more often. My guess is he'll grab Rajai Davis. DeAza would be another good example, but odds are he can get a regular gig elsewhere. Would love to get DeAza back and would pay a little extra to make it happen. Really like how he hits righties over last three years. He's really bad against lefties though. So not sure any team offers him more then a chance to compete for a job. He can't be looking at more then 2-3 years at what 3-5 million. Give him 2 years 12.5 million and call it a day.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 27, 2015 14:47:24 GMT -5
Do the sox employ flexibility as part of their training regiment? Seems like Castillo pulls a muscle just stepping out of the dugout!
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 27, 2015 15:10:46 GMT -5
These 3 kids will be the greatest defensive outfield in my 50+ years watching them … Yaz, Lynn, and Dewey (w/Rick Miller in reserve) wasn't bad.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 27, 2015 15:57:51 GMT -5
These 3 kids will be the greatest defensive outfield in my 50+ years watching them … Yaz, Lynn, and Dewey (w/Rick Miller in reserve) wasn't bad. I thought it was Rice, Lynn, Dewey.
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Post by xanderdu on Nov 27, 2015 16:14:49 GMT -5
Yaz, Lynn, and Dewey (w/Rick Miller in reserve) wasn't bad. I thought it was Rice, Lynn, Dewey. Yaz, Lynn, Dewey was the grouping when Rice went down with the wrist injury, and the OF that was there in 75 WS.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 27, 2015 16:54:01 GMT -5
I thought it was Rice, Lynn, Dewey. Yaz, Lynn, Dewey was the grouping when Rice went down with the wrist injury, and the OF that was there in 75 WS. That was mainly the outfield alignment in 1977. When the Sox sent Cooper to Milwaukee for Scott, Rice became the primary DH while Yaz shifted from 1b to DH and Rice took Cooper's DH spot.
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Post by gerry on Nov 27, 2015 17:12:21 GMT -5
These 3 kids will be the greatest defensive outfield in my 50+ years watching them … Yaz, Lynn, and Dewey (w/Rick Miller in reserve) wasn't bad. If we are lucky Rusney, JBJ, Mookie will compare favorably to any great Sox OF, including those in my lifetime with Williams and DiMaggio, Piersall and Jensen. If we are not so lucky, the offense may not measure up, but they will provide the best OF defense I have ever seen. I wonder who will be in reserve, as there are some really good veteran options with CBYoung, deAza and local boy Rajai Davis.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 28, 2015 12:09:35 GMT -5
Yaz, Lynn, and Dewey (w/Rick Miller in reserve) wasn't bad. If we are lucky Rusney, JBJ, Mookie will compare favorably to any great Sox OF, including those in my lifetime with Williams and DiMaggio, Piersall and Jensen. If we are not so lucky, the offense may not measure up, but they will provide the best OF defense I have ever seen. I wonder who will be in reserve, as there are some really good veteran options with CBYoung, deAza and local boy Rajai Davis. The current guys are collectively the best defensive outfield we have had hands down IMO. Prior outfields were known for a combination of offense and defense in an era when defense was less valued and athleticism much less on display. Today's good OFs are acrobats.....not seen across baseball in prior times. Look at Web Gems on any night and realize that we do not have a 'corner' on that type of player either. Prior 'great outfields' were known as such because they were combo guys....very good offense and good defense. Lynn was a graceful CF with a big bat but didn't cover the ground that JBJ does nor have that arm. Yaz could play the wall but I think lost range by the time Lynn & Rice came aboard and never had a real strong arm. Dewey as outstanding. Rice was well...Rice. Piersall and Jensen were outstanding defensively with offensive prowess. DiMaggio from reports was a heckuva defensive CF. Williams was an offensive juggernaut but except for his very early years, would be considered a decided defensive liability by today's standards.
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