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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 1, 2015 13:40:06 GMT -5
Per Cransick, @jcrasnick: #Redsox and #Cubs are teams that could match up with Atlanta on a Shelby Miller deal, said person familiar with #Braves thinking.
What package would you all give up? He had a follow up tweet saying they are likely going to ask for Soler from Chi. Does JBJ and another top10 prospect get it done? Top 3 would be out for me, would definitely consider Owens, but it may not be enough.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 1, 2015 13:53:05 GMT -5
JBJ for Bourn, Swisher and Miller.
Swisher would be a good platoon partner for Craig in AAA.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 1, 2015 14:01:29 GMT -5
JBJ and Owens for miller, sign heyward and maeda, pass on Price, wait 2-3 years to break the pitching bank on Otani. i would also offer Cueto 3/90 and point out the payday greinke is getting at age 32. Long shot tho.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 1, 2015 14:45:41 GMT -5
JBJ and Owens for miller, sign heyward and maeda, pass on Price, wait 2-3 years to break the pitching bank on Otani. i would also offer Cueto 3/90 and point out the payday greinke is getting at age 32. Long shot tho. Pointing out the payday Greinke is getting is not going to convince Cueto to take less years lol. "He's getting 5 years at 30 million!" is going to make Cueto want 7 years
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 1, 2015 14:51:40 GMT -5
If we're trading with the Braves, I'd rather go for broke in order to get Freeman. I'm also not sure if we'd go after Miller if we sign Price, but if we trade for Miller we can use the money saved to either sign an OF to replace JBJ, or sign a decent reliever.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 1, 2015 15:01:58 GMT -5
If we're trading with the Braves, I'd rather go for broke in order to get Freeman. I'm also not sure if we'd go after Miller if we sign Price, but if we trade for Miller we can use the money saved to either sign an OF to replace JBJ, or sign a decent reliever. Depends. It's pretty clear Miller isn't the "ace" DD is looking for. So it's a little bit of a wonky fit since JBJ would probably go, but you'd still be spending money on a FA Ace. So DD would have to be pretty confident he can get an OF-er for the likes of Buch or Miley or Kelly. I also wouldn't give too much stock to that report. It simply said someone familiar to the Braves way of thinking said Red Sox could be a match, simply cause they're looking for pitching and have chips.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 1, 2015 16:15:36 GMT -5
JBJ and Owens for miller, sign heyward and maeda, pass on Price, wait 2-3 years to break the pitching bank on Otani. i would also offer Cueto 3/90 and point out the payday greinke is getting at age 32. Long shot tho. Would rather give Price a mega contract over Heyward, its not even close. Miller is a good#2 right now, that maybe can become an ace/#1. We need a #1 next year
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 1, 2015 16:26:46 GMT -5
JBJ and Owens for miller, sign heyward and maeda, pass on Price, wait 2-3 years to break the pitching bank on Otani. i would also offer Cueto 3/90 and point out the payday greinke is getting at age 32. Long shot tho. Would rather give Price a mega contract over Heyward, its not even close. Miller is a good#2 right now, that maybe can become an ace/#1. We need a #1 next year Oh I would rather have price too, I'm just throwing out alternative scenarios. Makes no sense to not break the bank on Price, in reality, there is no player coming up in free agency that fits the Red Sox better in the coming years, and outside of their own guys (mookie and Xander) there is no reason to spend big money. All the good young talent is pretty much locked up already or will be soon, except maybe Harper, but no way anyone outbids the Yankees unless Washington pulls something off. I'm all on board the Otani train.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 1, 2015 17:05:03 GMT -5
Depends. It's pretty clear Miller isn't the "ace" DD is looking for. So it's a little bit of a wonky fit since JBJ would probably go, but you'd still be spending money on a FA Ace. So DD would have to be pretty confident he can get an OF-er for the likes of Buch or Miley or Kelly. I also wouldn't give too much stock to that report. It simply said someone familiar to the Braves way of thinking said Red Sox could be a match, simply cause they're looking for pitching and have chips. That type of thing seems like fantasy baseball transactions, whereby you fix one whole by opening up another resulting in the need for at least one, maybe two moves down the road. Since the Red Sox got Price, it looks like Miller isn't happening.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 1, 2015 17:10:14 GMT -5
If the price is right, give me miler too, a young cost controlled pitcher making 520k, why not
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Post by larrycook on Dec 1, 2015 21:46:28 GMT -5
What would Atlanta ask for In return for Miller and freeman?
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 1, 2015 22:04:58 GMT -5
What would Atlanta ask for In return for Miller and freeman? I don't know, but I'd offer a max of Swihart/Owens/JBJ/Shaw for Miller/Freeman/Bourn. We'd take on all the salary and then try and deal Hanley for mostly salary relief and maybe a prospect.
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 1, 2015 23:08:29 GMT -5
What would Atlanta ask for In return for Miller and freeman? More than DDo would be willing to pay is my guess. Just listened to the Hot Stove Show, on EEI. Bradford talked about his report stating a high ranking Sox official stating Hanley will be our 1B in 2016. Sounded like there is simply no way to make a deal that's worthwhile, so get used to Hanley at 1B. They interviewed Wren, and by no means did it sound like they are done. Wren stated DDo is assessing where they are at the moment. Sounded like they felt there was still a way to get even better.
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Post by bosox on Dec 1, 2015 23:38:11 GMT -5
Why do I have a feeling that any trade with the Braves will include the Brave's newly acquired Ian Krol and/or Gabe Speier. Both were previous DD acquisitions. I believe DD liked Krol for the bullpen when he acquired him in the Fister trade.
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Post by larrycook on Dec 2, 2015 0:07:05 GMT -5
Are they braves really infatuated with aj pollack? What am I missing?
Miller should get them more than pollack.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 2, 2015 1:27:02 GMT -5
Are they braves really infatuated with aj pollack? What am I missing? Miller should get them more than pollack. In this case, you're missing everything. AJ Pollock is a fantastic player. 8th in the MLB for position player WAR, and under control like Miller for 3 years. If you're comfortable trading 3 years of AJ Pollock for Shelby Miller, you should be comfortable trading 4 years of Xander Bogaerts for Shelby Miller.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Dec 2, 2015 2:31:05 GMT -5
this is an interesting argument/thought of what Miley could fetch. I personally think velo comes into play with Miller as well as costing min. until arb. but is an interesting spin.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 2, 2015 2:44:22 GMT -5
this is an interesting argument/thought of what Miley could fetch. I personally think velo comes into play with Miller as well as costing min. until arb. but is an interesting spin. Miller is also 4 years younger, so he has a lot more projectability. It's pretty cut and dry as to why your getting from Miley at this point.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Dec 2, 2015 2:56:44 GMT -5
yeah thats pretty much hits the nail on the head. anyways I wouldn't give up a ton for him personally.. but would be interesting if he reunited with Kelly.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 3, 2015 1:43:10 GMT -5
I think Miller would be a great pickup. Obviously, the Braves are going to (and can) ask for a lot, despite Miller's atrocious record last year. And that's because he averages 94 with his fastball, and pitched 200 innings with an ERA just over 3 despite having a mediocre to poor framing catcher (Pierzynski) calling his games. And he's only 25. He's exactly the type of pitcher (like Danny Salazar) who's on track for the next step. He's added a (very good) cutter and has a nice sinker, to go with a CB that still has potential to become outstanding (and is pretty good as is). And again, at 25, he is right on the cusp of when pitchers generally go from good to great. I'd hate to see NY get him; I'd like to see the Sox package Owens, Marrero, and Kelly, or if need be JBJ (and I really don't want to see JBJ or Owens go) to slot him in between Price and Rodriguez. That pushes Porcello back to 4, and Miley to 5, with Johnson still as depth. The Braves might also like Barnes, thinking they can develop him as a starter or harness him as a back-end RP. If Kelly-Owens-Marrero+/-Barnes does it, they don't need to make an OF move. I really don't like the idea of moving JBJ, both because of his potential and the hole it creates, but Miller is a 2 with clear 1 potential.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 3, 2015 2:22:56 GMT -5
I think Miller would be a great pickup. Obviously, the Braves are going to (and can) ask for a lot, despite Miller's atrocious record last year. And that's because he averages 94 with his fastball, and pitched 200 innings with an ERA just over 3 despite having a mediocre to poor framing catcher (Pierzynski) calling his games. And he's only 25. He's exactly the type of pitcher (like Danny Salazar) who's on track for the next step. He's added a (very good) cutter and has a nice sinker, to go with a CB that still has potential to become outstanding (and is pretty good as is). And again, at 25, he is right on the cusp of when pitchers generally go from good to great. I'd hate to see NY get him; I'd like to see the Sox package Owens, Marrero, and Kelly, or if need be JBJ (and I really don't want to see JBJ or Owens go) to slot him in between Price and Rodriguez. That pushes Porcello back to 4, and Miley to 5, with Johnson still as depth. The Braves might also like Barnes, thinking they can develop him as a starter or harness him as a back-end RP. If Kelly-Owens-Marrero+/-Barnes does it, they don't need to make an OF move. I really don't like the idea of moving JBJ, both because of his potential and the hole it creates, but Miller is a 2 with clear 1 potential. I'm not quite sure how tradeable Henry Owens is at this point. Johnson's health is a bit of a question mark, and you'd like to have some real impact quality depth down there at AAA. I also don't think they'd trade 2 starters for similar depth reasons. Edit: They've also been asking for Soler or AJ Pollock. So we probably shouldn't even discuss this without linking them to a high quality OF-er.
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Post by nomar on Dec 3, 2015 10:16:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure Miller is even going to be better than Owens.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 3, 2015 10:58:15 GMT -5
Per cransick: It's looking more and more like #Braves will hang onto Shelby Miller. They've received a ton of hits, but are not shopping him.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2015 11:01:32 GMT -5
Per cransick: It's looking more and more like #Braves will hang onto Shelby Miller. They've received a ton of hits, but are not shopping him. As seems to be the case about 99% of the time...
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Post by larrycook on Dec 4, 2015 0:36:05 GMT -5
I guess the braves need to go to plan b for a center fielder now that they are hanging onto Miller. I thought we matched up with them very well for a large trade.
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