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The Red Sox will retire Wade Boggs’ number on May 26
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 21, 2015 14:17:48 GMT -5
Ryan Hannable @ryanhannable 55s56 seconds ago The Red Sox will retire Wade Boggs’ uniform number 26 on May 26, 2016.
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Post by michael on Dec 21, 2015 14:21:13 GMT -5
Hope it's a nite game so the ceremony can take place at. 7:17.
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Post by slyfox on Dec 21, 2015 14:26:41 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll have a promotion: drink 50 beers, get a free chicken
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 21, 2015 14:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 21, 2015 14:58:16 GMT -5
Over due. I so thoroughly enjoyed watching him foul off 6 or 7 pitches and then hit a liner off the monster.
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Post by marrcus on Dec 21, 2015 15:12:04 GMT -5
Wouldn't have done it. Just being a jerk about it, like Wade. Mrs. Y says No from the grave. FO shouldn't do it in year of Ortiz (promote,promote,promote.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Dec 21, 2015 16:19:31 GMT -5
Over due. I so thoroughly enjoyed watching him foul off 6 or 7 pitches and then hit a liner off the monster. +1 He won five batting titles with the Sox. He was a joy to watch at his craft. He was a gifted baseball player who should have had his number retired 10 years ago.
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on Dec 21, 2015 17:01:12 GMT -5
Brock Holt changing to #12.
My general feeling has been very conservative about retiring numbers, unless it's a Williams-Yaz case, or even Jim Rice's. But how can anyone wear #45 again?
BTW, the Yankees' first available number is now #11. They may have to switch to three digits in a few years.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 21, 2015 17:03:53 GMT -5
Left, won a title with the Yankees, horseback incident, wanted to go into the HoF as a Devil Ray, didn't end his career with the team.
Its going to be weird and a little sad to see his number up there.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 21, 2015 17:12:06 GMT -5
You forgot to include another picture. Try including the photo of Wade Boggs sitting in the dugout after the 7th game of the 1986 World Series ended with tears streaming down his eyes. That's also part of the record of Wage Boggs. The Red Sox did not want to gamble on Wade Boggs rebounding from his .259 season in 1992. Why should they have? They had Scott Cooper ready to step in and play 3b. Who needs a young Jeff Bagwell when you have Scott Cooper and who needs a veteran like Wade Boggs when you have Scott Cooper? Try putting the blame squarely where it belongs - on the Red Sox, not Wade Boggs. Credit to the Yankees who thought he could contribute to a World Championship winner, and sure enough the Yankees did win with Boggs around, and he celebrated on the horse. Good for him. 10 years earlier he had suffered the worst loss and he took it hard. In 1996 he celebrated when he reached the pinnacle of team sports. Why shouldn't he have celebrated? Hoped the Sox enjoyed the Scott Cooper era throroughly. Wade Boggs was a lifetime .338 hitter with a ridiculous OBP up around .430 or thereabouts (too lazy to look it up) with the Red Sox. He won 5 batting titles with the Sox (and they weren't cheapies either) and would have won a sixth one if he had enough PA to qualify in his rookie season of 1982. And he probably would have set the season hit record in 1985 if he hadn't been so patient at the plate and drawn nearly 100 walks in addition to his 240 hits. He also is the last guy as far as I know, to actually hit .400 in 162 games as he did it midway between 1985 into 1986 before he understandably slumped when his mother was killed in a tragic auto accident. Boggs certainly wasn't a saint (actually you could say that Mrs. Boggs was the saint), but he didn't do anything that should have made him wait this long to have his number retired. He was one of the greatest leadoff hitters of all time because he got on base constantly, and from 1982 - 1988, I've never seen anybody, other than Tony Gwynn during the offensive laden 1990s era, hit as consistently well. The guy would pop up to the infield once a year, and he was at one point well into his career just behind Cobb, Hornsby, and Shoeless Joe on the all time BA list, and unlike Gwynn and Ichiro who didn't walk, Boggs supplemented his BA with a very patient eye at the plate. I'm happy that the Sox are finally doing the right thing, and while they're at it, they might as well retire Roger Clemens 21, as well. Nobody else is ever going to where it on the Sox, and his Red Sox career wasn't tainted like the rest of his career was. They probably won't do it, but I think the Sox should have retired Dwight Evans #24 as well. That guy belongs in the HOF, and I wouldn't have had any issues if they had retired Luis Tiant's 23 either, as he too got screwed out of being in the HOF.
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Post by ianrs on Dec 21, 2015 17:19:19 GMT -5
For the Boggs haters, he was pretty dang good for the Red Sox...
bWAR Top 10 AL? 1983 AL 7.8 (2nd) 1984 AL 6.3 (8th) 1985 AL 9.1 (2nd) 1986 AL 8.0 (3rd) 1987 AL 8.3 (2nd) 1988 AL 8.3 (1st) 1989 AL 8.4 (3rd) 1991 AL 6.4 (10th)
10 pretty amazing years for this team. The Red Sox are the ones who let him walk, as RSchamps mentions. This was not without good reason as he lays out in depth. But, I don't really see blaming Boggs for that. I can see being more conservative on retiring numbers, but that's a great prime all for the same team.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 21, 2015 17:20:03 GMT -5
Left, won a title with the Yankees, horseback incident, wanted to go into the HoF as a Devil Ray, didn't end his career with the team. Its going to be weird and a little sad to see his number up there. So if the Yanks had stunk that would have made it more palatable for Boggs to be in NY? As far as going to the HOF as a Devil Ray, I'm pretty sure he was pretty ticked off at the Sox mgmt. It took Fisk quite awhile before those fences were mended, too. It took Nomar five to six years to be at peace with the Red Sox. It took Johnny Damon quite awhile to make peace with the Sox. Sometimes peace never comes and the relationship between player and organization remains severed. As a fan, I like it better when the organization's best players and the organization make peace because 95% of the time, it's usually a messy divorce between the team and the player.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 21, 2015 18:10:45 GMT -5
Good.
Wade Boggs played for the Red Sox from 1982 to 1992. The fWAR leaders (position players) during that time span:
1 Rickey Henderson - 72.9 2 Wade Boggs - 70.8 3 Cal Ripken - 69.8 4 Ozzie Smith - 54.1 5 Ryne Sandberg - 53.8
(The only pitcher above fifty was Clemens with 59.7)
Went to the Yankees, retired with the Rays, whatever, I don't care. Dude played for the Red Sox for a decade and during that decade there wasn't a single player in the game who was clearly better than him.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 21, 2015 18:59:02 GMT -5
Amen!
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 21, 2015 19:09:44 GMT -5
I'm waiting for Steve Harvey to say that he made a mistake with this announcement too.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 21, 2015 20:05:54 GMT -5
It's an interesting case study for who should have his number retired for the Red Sox. I would be more inclined to have no problem with it, but the Yankee horesback riding incident is about as bad as it can get for me. Not scientific...not rational....but it's the damn Yankees FFS.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 21, 2015 20:07:58 GMT -5
Left, won a title with the Yankees, horseback incident, wanted to go into the HoF as a Devil Ray, didn't end his career with the team. Its going to be weird and a little sad to see his number up there. So if the Yanks had stunk that would have made it more palatable for Boggs to be in NY? As far as going to the HOF as a Devil Ray, I'm pretty sure he was pretty ticked off at the Sox mgmt. It took Fisk quite awhile before those fences were mended, too. It took Nomar five to six years to be at peace with the Red Sox. It took Johnny Damon quite awhile to make peace with the Sox. Sometimes peace never comes and the relationship between player and organization remains severed. As a fan, I like it better when the organization's best players and the organization make peace because 95% of the time, it's usually a messy divorce between the team and the player. Its a bit wierd that they're retiring the number of a guy who didn't want to stay here and it seems the Red Sox were his least favorite team of the three. He didn't meet the requirement of ending your career with the Sox either. They could put him in the Red Sox HoF without retiring his number. #26 retired will just be laughable to Yankee fans.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 21, 2015 20:34:28 GMT -5
I'm absolutely in agreement with this, but I want 24 and 27 retired for Evans and Fisk also.
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Post by p23w on Dec 21, 2015 21:40:09 GMT -5
FTR I'm a HUGE Boggs "hater". Once a bum always a bum. I thought the guy Boggs replaced, Carney Lansford was the real deal.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 21, 2015 22:03:16 GMT -5
So if the Yanks had stunk that would have made it more palatable for Boggs to be in NY? As far as going to the HOF as a Devil Ray, I'm pretty sure he was pretty ticked off at the Sox mgmt. It took Fisk quite awhile before those fences were mended, too. It took Nomar five to six years to be at peace with the Red Sox. It took Johnny Damon quite awhile to make peace with the Sox. Sometimes peace never comes and the relationship between player and organization remains severed. As a fan, I like it better when the organization's best players and the organization make peace because 95% of the time, it's usually a messy divorce between the team and the player. Its a bit wierd that they're retiring the number of a guy who didn't want to stay here and it seems the Red Sox were his least favorite team of the three. He didn't meet the requirement of ending your career with the Sox either. They could put him in the Red Sox HoF without retiring his number. #26 retired will just be laughable to Yankee fans. I don't think it's weird at all. First off, how do you know he didn't want to stay with the Sox? According to what I've read, he wanted to stay with the Sox and thought he had a verbal deal with Mrs. Yawkey, but then she had a stroke, he had a bad season, and Gorman didn't think he needed him with Scott Cooper around. As far as meeting the requirement of ending their career with the Sox, that's kind of silly. They gave Fisk a ceremonial do nothing job, but he really ended his career with the ChiSox. Pedro is back in the organization, but he really ended his career with the Phillies. Ted Williams ended his career managing the Senators/Rangers. Hate to break the news to you, but at one point during his managing/coaching career Mr. Red Sox himself, Johnny Pesky worked for the Yankee organization. Should we unretire his number, too? But if you're counting coaching as being back with the organization, I guess the Sox will need to unretire Bobby Doerr's number 1. Last I checked his last job in baseball was coaching for the Toronto Blue Jays. Get the point? It's a silly requirement. Why would Yankee fans find it "laughable" that Boggs' number 26 is retired with the Sox? Why would they care and why should Sox fans gave a crap what they think? If I had to venture a guess, they'd find it more "laughable" that the Sox waited this long to retire the number of a HOFer who hit .338 for their Sox organization and won 5 batting titles, yet the poor Red Sox fans, who now have 3 Championships in the past twelve seasons, can't get over the sight of Boggs celebrating the only Championship he'd ever win in his career because he did it with the Yankees. It's called a Red Sox fan's inferiority complex - and that's what will make Yankee fans laugh their butts off. Honestly, all this ridiculousness is because the Sox didn't sign him and he signed on with the enemy. It's not hard to figure. Your long-time team dumps you, you get ticked off, owe that original team nothing, and you sign with the enemy that wants you. If he had won the Championship with the Phillies, would any of this silliness be taking place? If the Sox (along with Cooperstown) ever decide to do right by Dwight Evans and Luis Tiant and retire their numbers, will you balk at Tiant's 23 going up to the rafters because Haywood Sullivan balked at giving Tiant two years so Tiant wound up a Yankee? Being a Red Sox great has absolutely nothing to do with the Yankees (even as much as I hate that team).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 21, 2015 22:06:38 GMT -5
FTR I'm a HUGE Boggs "hater". Once a bum always a bum. I thought the guy Boggs replaced, Carney Lansford was the real deal. You honestly preferred Lansford over Boggs? Yeesh. Lansford was a good average, so-so OBP guy with some power who had limited range. Boggs replaced Lansford but easily could have shifted to 1b had the Sox kept Lansford. They didn't dump Lansford to open up 3b for Boggs as much as they wanted to replace the Miller/Nichols platoon with a power hitting OF, so they dealt for Tony Armas (and the Sox certainly had no concept of OBP when they made that deal). As you might recall, Lansford played 3b and Boggs shifted over to 1b in the summer of 1982, but at that point the Sox were so desperate for help out in CF they actually played 43 year old Yaz there for a game.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 21, 2015 22:12:05 GMT -5
I'm absolutely in agreement with this, but I want 24 and 27 retired for Evans and Fisk also. I feel bad for Evans. He was such a great player, one worthy of the HOF. Rice had a better peak, but I thought Evans had the better career and was a more complete ballplayer, and should have his number retired. Dewey was definitely one of my favorites growing up. Maybe I misunderstood what you posted, but Fisk's 27 got retired by the Red Sox in 2000 when Duquette brokered peace between Pudge and the Red Sox (and Sullivan was deceased by then, too). Retiring numbers can be a hard line to tread as far as going overboard. I wouldn't have a problem if the Sox retired Tiant's #23 or went back further and retired #3 for Jimmie Foxx and #10 for Lefty Grove who performed like HOFers for the Sox in the 1930s. I'm not sure I'd even balk at #7 for Dominic DiMaggio. I know there's sentiment for #25 for Tony C. I'm not sure I'd go there, and I know that #24 should probably be retired for Manny, although I say that without much excitement. And speaking of which, I would think #21 would be next with Roger Clemens. I honestly thought the Sox might do it around the anniversary of his first 20K game. I'm not sure what they're waiting for. If they're waiting for the HOF vote to let Clemens in, they'll be waiting an awfully long time. But I do think Clemens will be next, and then the question is how long will the Sox make David Ortiz wait for his #34 to be retired if the HOF voters don't put him in right away or at all. I mean, Ortiz is not only deserving of the retired number, but that guy, along with Pedro, deserves a statue.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 21, 2015 23:39:35 GMT -5
FTR I'm a HUGE Boggs "hater". Once a bum always a bum. I thought the guy Boggs replaced, Carney Lansford was the real deal. You're welcome to you're opinion but Boggs is one of the greatest hitters in baseball history, and he did most of his damage with the Sox. Nothing else is relevant to me. It's about baseball, it's not some damn soap opera.
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Post by sdl on Dec 22, 2015 0:36:18 GMT -5
Exactly. As far as I am concerned, he lost that right the instant he signed with THEM.
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Post by sdl on Dec 22, 2015 0:41:28 GMT -5
Retire THESE numbers before Boggs.
3--Jimmie Foxx
7--Dominic DiMaggio
24--Dewey Evans
25--Tony C.
33-'Tek
49--Tim Wakefield
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