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The Red Sox will retire Wade Boggs’ number on May 26
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 23, 2016 14:09:13 GMT -5
Boggs seems genuinely touched by the Sox retiring his number. You can tell it's important to him. I do wonder if his personality has changed some in the years that have passed. He seems a lot more outgoing and emotional than I remember him being as a player. I remember an interview he and Jim Rice gave a few years back on MLB or something like that and I remember he was very gregarious and Rice kept flashing him looks like Who is THIS crazy guy?! Time does have a way of healing wounds. Boggs, Clemens, Rice, Evans, and Hurst are supposed to be at the casino this weekend on a 1986 panel. I hope that whatever issues there were from back then (and now that I have found an old Nick Cafardo article from 1988 I have a better idea of what some of those issues wound up being) have been smoothed out over the passage of time. People can change for the better and I hope that's what's happened with Boggs over the years. Either way, he was still one helluva ballplayer, easily one of the biggest offensive forces the Sox have ever had (and a good 3b as well), and I'm glad he's back to "being a Red Sox". It does take some years for players and organizations to heal their rifts but I'm glad when that does happen. It's hard to believe that it's a bigger moment than winning the WS, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm too old to hold grudges. He seems very genuinely appreciative and that's all I can ask.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 26, 2016 12:44:09 GMT -5
Boggs wore his Yankees world series ring to the game yesterday honoring the 86 Red Sox. What a joke this is.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 26, 2016 15:57:18 GMT -5
Boggs isn't a New Englander (few Sox players are). So the Sox were set to offer him a contract and then (what's his name?) died and the new peeps changed their mind. So what the F#@% do you expect him to do? He accepted the best contract offered to him. Happened to be the Yankees. A rival. I don't think Boggs cared. Are you THAT pissed off at Andrew Miller right now? I don't recall any of your rants against him. Sox actually wanted him back, but he took more money. He was on the scrap heap and the Sox gave him a chance and put him in a position to get that contract. But he took just a little more money from those evil Yankees. Where's the outrage there? Get over it! Sometime this Sox fandom gets a little too extreme. Let it go people. Why do you guys expect the players to grovel in front of management for a the opportunity to play for Boston? They moved on. You should too.
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Post by wcp3 on May 26, 2016 16:21:13 GMT -5
Personally I don't care about that stuff, but probably don't wear a Yankees hat to the game two days before the Sox are about to retire your number. Nothing like that will ever bother me, but it's just a strange move.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 26, 2016 16:23:26 GMT -5
Boggs isn't a New Englander (few Sox players are). So the Sox were set to offer him a contract and then (what's his name?) died and the new peeps changed their mind. So what the F#@% do you expect him to do? He accepted the best contract offered to him. Happened to be the Yankees. A rival. I don't think Boggs cared. Are you THAT pissed off at Andrew Miller right now? I don't recall any of your rants against him. Sox actually wanted him back, but he took more money. He was on the scrap heap and the Sox gave him a chance and put him in a position to get that contract. But he took just a little more money from those evil Yankees. Where's the outrage there? Get over it! Sometime this Sox fandom gets a little too extreme. Let it go people. Why do you guys expect the players to grovel in front of management for a the opportunity to play for Boston? They moved on. You should too. I don't recall Andrew Miller acting like an overall jack*** either. I don't expect him to grovel and beg - in fact I'd prefer if he didn't come at all. I call it like I see it and in this case he's acting like a clown and doesn't deserve it.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 26, 2016 16:45:28 GMT -5
I just don't get it. You hate Boggs, whatever. It should have nothing to do with going to the Yankees. The Sox essentially F.U. to him. I think he's free to do and act how sees fit. If he was a bit of a jerk towards the Sox, that's just doing unto those. Whatever. If he's a jerk in general, fine. Tons of great players are.
I still the Yankee thing is getting under people's skin when it shouldn't.
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Post by rangoon82 on May 26, 2016 17:10:30 GMT -5
I dont hold a grudge but have to admit this is hard to look at.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 26, 2016 18:11:36 GMT -5
I just don't get it. You hate Boggs, whatever. It should have nothing to do with going to the Yankees. The Sox essentially F.U. to him. I think he's free to do and act how sees fit. If he was a bit of a jerk towards the Sox, that's just doing unto those. Whatever. If he's a jerk in general, fine. Tons of great players are. I still the Yankee thing is getting under people's skin when it shouldn't. People think his number should not be retired. Im not sure whats not to get. People dislike the Yankees and New York in general and if you've ever been there or been to Red Sox Yankee games it shouldnt be hard to figure out why that is.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 26, 2016 19:20:00 GMT -5
IN this day of Free agency you don't want a guy's # retired because he played for another team? Oh sorry it's the Yankees. What part of the Sox didn't want him don't you get? And then you begrudge him for going to the Yankees? That's what I do/n't get. I'm born and bred in Maine. Hate the Yankees. But I just have no appreciation whatsoever for the Boggs hate. He was incredible. The ceremony tonight was great.
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Post by scottysmalls on May 26, 2016 19:24:41 GMT -5
He did wear his Yankees World Series ring to the ceremony the other day, not really a cool move.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 26, 2016 20:20:58 GMT -5
I dont hold a grudge but have to admit this is hard to look at. I don't understand. Was he not supposed to celebrate when his team won the World Series? Why is this hard to look at? I'm seriously asking.
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Post by jimed14 on May 26, 2016 20:25:32 GMT -5
I dont hold a grudge but have to admit this is hard to look at. I don't understand. Was he not supposed to celebrate when his team won the World Series? Why is this hard to look at? I'm seriously asking. If Red Sox fans didn't post that crap, I never would have seen it. It's hard to watch the Yankees win the WS, that's it. I don't watch, except their elimination games.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 26, 2016 20:56:28 GMT -5
what happened redsox040713champs? I apologize. While I was watching the game in the next room my 3 year old was on the computer. I had no idea he was on this site (I thought he was on youtube listening to music) and honestly I have no idea how he could even post. I didn't think I was logged in but I must have been. Again my sincerest apologies.
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Post by jimed14 on May 26, 2016 21:00:39 GMT -5
what happened redsox040713champs? I apologize. While I was watching the game in the next room my 3 year old was on the computer. I had no idea he was on this site (I thought he was on youtube listening to music) and honestly I have no idea how he could even post. I didn't think I was logged in but I must have been. Again my sincerest apologies. That is sooooo hilarious! Made me smile after a horrible game tonight.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 26, 2016 21:00:50 GMT -5
what happened redsox040713champs? I apologize. While I was watching the game in the next room my 3 year old was on the computer. I had no idea he was on this site (I thought he was on youtube listening to music) and honestly I have no idea how he could even post. I didn't think I was logged in but I must have been. Again my sincerest apologies. No worries. I was curious what was going on. As the father of a 4-3/4 yr old (he's not just 4-1/2 anymore) i can totally see that happening. Pretty funny, in fact.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 26, 2016 21:02:53 GMT -5
I dont hold a grudge but have to admit this is hard to look at. I don't understand. Was he not supposed to celebrate when his team won the World Series? Why is this hard to look at? I'm seriously asking. Yes, he was not supposed to be celebrating. After all Wade Boggs only cared about himself. He never cared about winning and losing. Don't you know that? That's what they all said. Yet the Boggs I remember was crying his eyes out when the Sox lost in 86 and was celebrating big-time when they won the division in 1990 (I remember him shouting "Believe!!!") So of course Boggs wouldn't give a crap that his team won a World Series in 1996. The fact that it's the Yankees stinks, but he never wanted to leave Boston. The Red Sox, in their infinite wisdom, chose Scott Cooper over him. The people concerned about Yanks winning as a Yankee need to get over it. Back then that's where you went to win. I like to think that if you want to win now, Boston would be your better option. Actually it was poetic justice for Clemens. Had he chosen Boston over New York in 2007 he would have went out with a ring. Instead he took the money. Oh well. Eventually, whether it's liked or not (it won't be), his #21 will wind up retired. He was probably the 2nd or 3rd best pitcher the Sox ever had and it's a big dropoff between Pedro, Cy Young, Roger, and everybody else (and that includes greats like Grove and Tiant).
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 26, 2016 22:02:44 GMT -5
IN this day of Free agency you don't want a guy's # retired because he played for another team? Oh sorry it's the Yankees. What part of the Sox didn't want him don't you get? And then you begrudge him for going to the Yankees? That's what I do/n't get. I'm born and bred in Maine. Hate the Yankees. But I just have no appreciation whatsoever for the Boggs hate. He was incredible. The ceremony tonight was great. I'm from Maine too actually!
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Post by rafael on May 26, 2016 23:21:13 GMT -5
It's an indefensible move to wear a Yankees WS ring when you are being celebrated at Fenway Park.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 27, 2016 0:14:56 GMT -5
It's an indefensible move to wear a Yankees WS ring when you are being celebrated at Fenway Park. Yes, I would say that was tone deaf, but obviously he wears that ring with pride. If the Sox had gotten that one more strike they needed in 1986 I'm sure he would have been wearing that ring, too.
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Post by burythehammer on May 27, 2016 5:00:27 GMT -5
It's an indefensible move to wear a Yankees WS ring when you are being celebrated at Fenway Park. Imagine caring about something like this.
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Post by okin15 on May 27, 2016 8:41:57 GMT -5
It's an indefensible move to wear a Yankees WS ring when you are being celebrated at Fenway Park. Imagine caring about something like this. I care. That was a painful part of Red Sox history. Fans of the team which is honoring you don't need to be reminded. They should be allowed to celebrate your time with the team, not forced to bemoan the mistake of letting you go. I was also in the "don't retire him" camp, but that was before I looked it up. Ten years is a good run, and the "retire with the team" rule is stupid. I wish I had been old enough to remember him play my first ten years on the planet. As for the RSChamps. comments I assumed you were furious either at the number retirement, or at the conversation. It was timed perfectly. Love it.
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Post by costpet on May 27, 2016 9:02:36 GMT -5
I don't care that he went to the MFY. I care about how he was during his Red Sox years. Whenever a fan would yell at him he'd say "keep touting that lunchbox." In other words, he had no respect for the fans. He only played for himself, not the team. It was always all about him. I thought his HOF hat should be "WB" because that's who he played for.
I saw his wife on the field. Whatever happened to Margo Adams?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 27, 2016 9:14:36 GMT -5
I don't care that he went to the MFY. I care about how he was during his Red Sox years. Whenever a fan would yell at him he'd say "keep touting that lunchbox." In other words, he had no respect for the fans. He only played for himself, not the team. It was always all about him. I thought his HOF hat should be "WB" because that's who he played for. I saw his wife on the field. Whatever happened to Margo Adams? Why should Boggs have respect for a fan who's yelling at him? Any fan who's yelling at a .360 hitter is pretty stupid. How do you know he only played for himself? That makes no sense. Are you honestly telling me that his .400+ OBP wasn't helping the team? How selfish of him getting on base so his teammates can knock him in. And if he didn't care about winning, what was the tears rolling down his cheek when the Sox lost in 86 all about? A publicity stunt? These arguments were lame many years ago and they're still lame. As far as Margo Adams goes, if his wife doesn't care at this point, why should you? In an age where about 50% of marriages end in divorce, Boggs and his wife are still together after all these years. That's something to be proud of. Boggs was hardly a perfect man, and can be quite tone deaf (and yeah, he knew his stats very well, but he's hardly alone in that), but he was a great ballplayer, and I'm glad the Sox finally did right by him.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 27, 2016 9:32:32 GMT -5
Some people don't like it, and to sit there on your high horse scolding anyone who isn't excited about it is a bit ridiculous.
It happened, some didn't like it, now we can close the book on it.
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on May 27, 2016 9:38:04 GMT -5
The aspect of Boggs's ceremony that I found interesting was the credit given to Walter Hriniak as his batting coach. (And it was particularly poignant when Boggs cited Hriniak's role in trying to be there for Boggs on the day his mother was killed by the drunk driver in Florida in mid-1986.)
Hriniak was enormously influential here, a member of the Sox' coaching staff for 12 years but who left under heavy criticism in 1988. Although he'd played for, admired and befriended Charley Lau, Hriniak came to the Red Sox as bullpen coach in 1977 and first became known as the Red Sox' tireless batting practice pitcher. In that role, he began to work with hitters like Evans and Yastrzemski (Boggs was still in Class A). The Red Sox' hitting coach was Johnny Pesky, who of course was a dedicated baseball man himself and was extremely helpful to Jim Rice as a hitting coach (and, later, to Boggs as an infield coach). Even though many Red Sox players went to Hriniak for batting instruction, I don't remember Pesky and Hriniak ever having issues about that, at least publicly. Ted Williams was another story, however. His disagreement with the "Lau method" got a lot of ink -- he hated what he called "hitting down on the ball," "swinging one-handed," etc. Rich Gedman was made the poster child for Hriniak's critics: his troubles, which seemed to begin in the 1986 World Series (when Jesse Orosco owned him) were blamed on his "helicopter swing" and on Hriniak; never mind that Hriniak's approach had helped Gedman put up an OPS of over .800 in both 1984 and 1985.
I remember Dan Shaughnessy, then the Sox' beat guy and later the Globe's national baseball writer, being very critical of Hriniak. Not surprising, given Shaughnessy's growing closeness with Williams and his entourage, and that Hriniak tended to be brusk with the media and (like Belichick) didn't suffer fools gladly. With the chorus of criticism increasing, and with Joe Morgan wanting to hire Richie Hebner to his staff, Hriniak was allowed to move on to the White Sox in 1989. Today, you still usually only hear bad things about Hriniak -- even though he helped Dwight Evans became an offensive force. As a postscript, last night, when Yastrzemski visited the NESN booth very briefly, Remy or O'Brien asked him who had been the best and most influential coach in Yaz's MLB career, and Yaz named Hriniak. Interesting, in that the two men didn't work together until Yaz was 37. (And Hriniak is four years younger ...)
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