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2016 Red Sox Spring Training News/Discussion
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 26, 2016 2:00:13 GMT -5
Yeah, logical to a reporter who doesn't need to get bogged down in details like the fact the Sox play half their games at Fenway Park. Yeah, but if it's Fenway Park on the planet Bizarro, it is logical. And apparently Batman v Superman is worth seeing there, too. Just saw Batman vs Superman. It was awesome. I would recommend it. Sorry for going off topic. Saw the reference and had to bring it up in any world.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 26, 2016 3:14:59 GMT -5
I'm just asking the question. If it was just James Shields for Pablo Sandoval, would that be better than just having Pablo? I'm not sure. Maybe the Sox are just better having to dfa Pablo if he doesn't work out this year or the start of next year. You would rather DFA Sandoval and eat his remaining $59.8mil guaranteed than trade for Shields who would have $44mil left? If your going to DFA - the answer is easy. If this time next year Pablo has been benched, then you definitely trade for Shields as he will likely be a useful swingman. Would rather have that than a left-handed pinch hitter (with less money too).
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Mar 26, 2016 6:08:02 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 26, 2016 12:19:56 GMT -5
www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2016/03/christian_vazquez_unlikely_to_make_red_sox_roster_catchingChristian Vazquez unlikely to make Red Sox roster, catching situation becoming clear SARASOTA, Fla. -- Christian Vazquez was fighting an uphill battle all spring. And while he climbed farther and faster than Red Sox manager John Farrell could have expected, the cannon-armed catcher remains a longshot to make the club’s Opening Day roster. Vazquez had Tommy John surgery last April. “It would be a stretch for Opening Day,” Farrell said. “By the time we break camp we will have gotten him out to nine innings. So if it’s not Opening Day, he’s making strides to get to there. “Again, much like we talk about [Hanley Ramirez’s] transition to first base, Christian, where he’s at, I don’t know we could’ve drawn it up any better how much work he’s gotten in, the repetition and the innings caught behind the plate.” Vazquez caught six innings in a Single-A game against Twins minor leaguers on Saturday. He went 2-for-4 with a home run and a walk. He also threw out a runner attempting to steal 3B. He'll likely start the season with Triple-A Pawtucket, but the Red Sox don’t expect to make that decision until Monday, at the earliest.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 26, 2016 14:59:05 GMT -5
Rough day for Elias.
Betts and Jackie looked good today.
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Post by nomar on Mar 26, 2016 15:07:27 GMT -5
Rough day for Elias. Betts and Jackie looked good today. If there was any doubt Wright was our 5th starter, today erased it. It was a done deal already though, most likely.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 26, 2016 16:12:39 GMT -5
Yeah, logical to a reporter who doesn't need to get bogged down in details like the fact the Sox play half their games at Fenway Park. Yeah, but if it's Fenway Park on the planet Bizarro, it is logical. And apparently Batman v Superman is worth seeing there, too. There's this video of Ben Affleck (who I think is actually quite a good director) and Henry Cavill answering an interviewer about the horrible reviews. Affleck looks shell-shocked, like it triggered some awful PTSD. Maybe about Gigli? I tend to agree that Shields would be so bad in Fenway that a swap would actually hurt the team. Best-case, Shields lucks out on his ERA and the Sox could move him at the deadline. But, yeah, I think going with their staff as is is the way to go.
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Post by nomar on Mar 26, 2016 19:07:54 GMT -5
I'm in Maryland this weekend, and it's weird how serious these O's fans take spring training games. It's almost refreshing though, true Orioles fans really care about their team.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 26, 2016 20:57:49 GMT -5
Rough day for Elias. Betts and Jackie looked good today. If there was any doubt Wright was our 5th starter, today erased it. It was a done deal already though, most likely. Is Elias' spot on the roster in jeopardy you think?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 26, 2016 21:17:30 GMT -5
If there was any doubt Wright was our 5th starter, today erased it. It was a done deal already though, most likely. Is Elias' spot on the roster in jeopardy you think? I think he just handed it to Noe Ramirez (I assume Barnes in the Smith slot). On the other hand... In an interview the other day, Elias said he was willing to give relieving a try again but didn't do well as a reliever in Cuba. If the Sox deem that to be no longer worth a try then he's either going to start over Wright or be sent to Pawtucket as a starter. The other day Farrell emphasized the importance of a decent long man, especially at the season start, and pointed to Wright in that role last year. If that's the true feelings, Elias still has a shot as a starter, not because he's outperformed Wright but more because the Sox don't have a 4-5 inning long man other than Wright or Elias. Elias really looked like crap out there, everything was elevated and the curves were flat out HR derby quality and that was 30+ pitches. Relieving doesn't suit everyone.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 26, 2016 21:21:31 GMT -5
Say wut!
“@jonheyman: Scout on red sox prospect Sam travis: ”the next Paul goldschmidt“”
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 26, 2016 21:38:44 GMT -5
Say wut! “@jonheyman: Scout on red sox prospect Sam travis: ”the next Paul goldschmidt“” He didn't mention if it was a girl or boy scout. ADD twitter humor: Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 21m21 minutes ago Red Sox Stats Retweeted Jon Heyman Yesterday it was Jeff Bagwell. OverTheMonster @overthemonster 20m20 minutes ago OverTheMonster Retweeted Red Sox Stats And tomorrow it'll be Sandy Koufax, which will be really confusing for all involved tbqh. Let's not forget though (Ray says in dream mode) that Speier said if he did a rerank of the BA Top 20, he'd be 5th.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 26, 2016 22:01:49 GMT -5
Is Elias' spot on the roster in jeopardy you think? I think he just handed it to Noe Ramirez (I assume Barnes in the Smith slot). On the other hand... In an interview the other day, Elias said he was willing to give relieving a try again but didn't do well as a reliever in Cuba. If the Sox deem that to be no longer worth a try then he's either going to start over Wright or be sent to Pawtucket as a starter. The other day Farrell emphasized the importance of a decent long man, especially at the season start, and pointed to Wright in that role last year. If that's the true feelings, Elias still has a shot as a starter, not because he's outperformed Wright but more because the Sox don't have a 4-5 inning long man other than Wright or Elias. Elias really looked like crap out there, everything was elevated and the curves were flat out HR derby quality and that was 30+ pitches. Relieving doesn't suit everyone. Yeah I'm not quite sure. I think Noe has a strong shot now. The blue jays have a ton of right handed batters and they face them early and often. The Sox could use Wright as a long man in the first 4 games of the year or something like that.
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 26, 2016 22:53:26 GMT -5
Is Elias' spot on the roster in jeopardy you think? I think he just handed it to Noe Ramirez (I assume Barnes in the Smith slot). On the other hand... In an interview the other day, Elias said he was willing to give relieving a try again but didn't do well as a reliever in Cuba. If the Sox deem that to be no longer worth a try then he's either going to start over Wright or be sent to Pawtucket as a starter. The other day Farrell emphasized the importance of a decent long man, especially at the season start, and pointed to Wright in that role last year. If that's the true feelings, Elias still has a shot as a starter, not because he's outperformed Wright but more because the Sox don't have a 4-5 inning long man other than Wright or Elias.Elias really looked like crap out there, everything was elevated and the curves were flat out HR derby quality and that was 30+ pitches. Relieving doesn't suit everyone. He's had really bad first-inning problems as a starter, too, and scouts have singled out the curve as a pitch he takes too long to get a feel for. However, he could still be useful as a long man, if they give him enough time to warm up. In theory, at least. But that is the sort of thing you'd rather mess around with in AAA. Re the bold, you use your best candidate for 5th starter. You don't hold him back because he's also the better choice for a (hugely) less important role.
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Post by thursty on Mar 26, 2016 23:01:07 GMT -5
Say wut! “@jonheyman: Scout on red sox prospect Sam travis: ”the next Paul goldschmidt“” Scout (nee Dave Stewart)
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 26, 2016 23:23:38 GMT -5
It's not like "long reliever" is something special only a very few pitchers can do. It's just the guy who isn't good enough to be a setup man or closer who happens to at least have a 3rd pitch, even if that 3rd pitch isn't good enough for him to be a starter. Matt Barnes could easily fill that role.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 26, 2016 23:57:19 GMT -5
It's not like "long reliever" is something special only a very few pitchers can do. It's just the guy who isn't good enough to be a setup man or closer who happens to at least have a 3rd pitch, even if that 3rd pitch isn't good enough for him to be a starter. Matt Barnes could easily fill that role. Well even if the Sox had Noe Ramirez up to start the year and he went three long innings in a game, it's not like the Sox are stuck with him and needed to keep him around if the Sox needed another pitcher. They could easily opition Noe and call up Hembree the next day. The Sox can easily rotate pitchers with options from the minor leagues to the majors if need be. With Elias, Noe Ramirez, Heath Hembree, Pat Light, and eventually Matt Barnes when Eduardo comes back. That's the benefit of depth. You can use it to your advantage when you have players with options.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 27, 2016 0:55:53 GMT -5
In what world is Salazar worth Betts?? I just don't see it. I get Salazar would cost a bunch of prospects, but one of the best young players in the game? So far Betts has shown he's just a notch above Salazar. Now Castillo, Owens and Travis for Bauer is only a good trade if you think Castillo is a bust and you want to just dump his large contract. I just think Owens alone if given a chance is very close to the pitcher Bauer is. He isn't worth a Mookie Betts to the Red Sox but the Indians don't have to trade him and that's what they would ask for. That's the piece you're missing here. Mark my words Indians will trade a pitcher in next year to improve their hitting. They really do need to trade a starter to balance out team. If Sox really wanted Salazar Sox could easily get him without giving up Betts. Sure they might start with asking for Betts, but they and everyone in baseball knows Sox aren't trading him. Sox could easily offer a package of young major league talent and some prospects that they couldn't turn down. That's the piece you're missing!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 27, 2016 1:02:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't make a trade just to make a trade, but if we have a need we should fill it. 2-3 months is a long time if you have a bunch of injuries early on. Trading an OF would create a need in the OF. That's why this doesn't make any sense at all. Imagine trading Castillo and then JBJ tears his ACL. WTF happens then? Mookie back to CF and ? in RF? Chris Young facing every RHP in RF? Disaster. All so we can have a 12th starting pitcher? Castillo is getting a lot of crap lately, but he's still easily an above replacement level player because of his defense. Chris Young playing every day would be a downgrade from Castillo, and an even bigger one if he has to play anything other than LF. Did I say we should trade an OF??? I just said not trading anyone for 2-3 months if you have a need is not something I agree with. Why does everyone think we could trade Castillo? His trade value has to be very negative at this time with his contract.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 27, 2016 1:06:27 GMT -5
Say wut! “@jonheyman: Scout on red sox prospect Sam travis: ”the next Paul goldschmidt“” #top 100 prospect
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 27, 2016 1:18:37 GMT -5
He isn't worth a Mookie Betts to the Red Sox but the Indians don't have to trade him and that's what they would ask for. That's the piece you're missing here. Mark my words Indians will trade a pitcher in next year to improve their hitting. They really do need to trade a starter to balance out team. If Sox really wanted Salazar Sox could easily get him without giving up Betts. Sure they might start with asking for Betts, but they and everyone in baseball knows Sox aren't trading him. Sox could easily offer a package of young major league talent and some prospects that they couldn't turn down. That's the piece you're missing! So you're ready to give up one of Benintendi, Moncada, Espinoza, or Devers plus major league talent/major league ready talent for one of Carasco or Salazar? I wouldn't. Sure the Sox *could* get Salazar without giving up Betts but it isn't worth the King's ransom.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 27, 2016 4:07:26 GMT -5
Mark my words Indians will trade a pitcher in next year to improve their hitting. They really do need to trade a starter to balance out team. If Sox really wanted Salazar Sox could easily get him without giving up Betts. Sure they might start with asking for Betts, but they and everyone in baseball knows Sox aren't trading him. Sox could easily offer a package of young major league talent and some prospects that they couldn't turn down. That's the piece you're missing! So you're ready to give up one of Benintendi, Moncada, Espinoza, or Devers plus major league talent/major league ready talent for one of Carasco or Salazar? I wouldn't. Sure the Sox *could* get Salazar without giving up Betts but it isn't worth the King's ransom. Right now I am not trading for a starter. But if we need one to contend for a title at deadline, yes I would trade some prospects and young players to get him. I don't think you can say it would have to be one of our top 4 prospects though. Help me out here, you don't want to trade one of our top 4 prospects, but you would trade Betts?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 27, 2016 5:19:56 GMT -5
I think he just handed it to Noe Ramirez (I assume Barnes in the Smith slot). On the other hand... In an interview the other day, Elias said he was willing to give relieving a try again but didn't do well as a reliever in Cuba. If the Sox deem that to be no longer worth a try then he's either going to start over Wright or be sent to Pawtucket as a starter. The other day Farrell emphasized the importance of a decent long man, especially at the season start, and pointed to Wright in that role last year. If that's the true feelings, Elias still has a shot as a starter, not because he's outperformed Wright but more because the Sox don't have a 4-5 inning long man other than Wright or Elias.Elias really looked like crap out there, everything was elevated and the curves were flat out HR derby quality and that was 30+ pitches. Relieving doesn't suit everyone. He's had really bad first-inning problems as a starter, too, and scouts have singled out the curve as a pitch he takes too long to get a feel for. However, he could still be useful as a long man, if they give him enough time to warm up. In theory, at least. But that is the sort of thing you'd rather mess around with in AAA. Re the bold, you use your best candidate for 5th starter. You don't hold him back because he's also the better choice for a (hugely) less important role. Re the bold, true in isolation but we're talking about a few weeks where Wright might get two or three starts at the most and a period where pitchers aren't in mid season form and therefore the role of the long man is potentially more important. There's also the issue of evaluating the differences between Wright as a starter vs whoever replaces him and Wright as a reliever and whoever replaces him. I know you like Wright but for the season start you have to use different logic because the circumstances are different. We're not talking about a season long decision here. ADD: It just occurred to me that Wright could actually be both since he'll be used sporadically as a starter, he could be used initially as a long reliever to keep him in game mode.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 27, 2016 7:48:48 GMT -5
He's had really bad first-inning problems as a starter, too, and scouts have singled out the curve as a pitch he takes too long to get a feel for. However, he could still be useful as a long man, if they give him enough time to warm up. In theory, at least. But that is the sort of thing you'd rather mess around with in AAA. Re the bold, you use your best candidate for 5th starter. You don't hold him back because he's also the better choice for a (hugely) less important role. Re the bold, true in isolation but we're talking about a few weeks where Wright might get two or three starts at the most and a period where pitchers aren't in mid season form and therefore the role of the long man is potentially more important. There's also the issue of evaluating the differences between Wright as a starter vs whoever replaces him and Wright as a reliever and whoever replaces him. I know you like Wright but for the season start you have to use different logic because the circumstances are different. We're not talking about a season long decision here. ADD: It just occurred to me that Wright could actually be both since he'll be used sporadically as a starter, he could be used initially as a long reliever to keep him in game mode.Yes, this. They don't even need a 5th starter for a few weeks, right? I guess it's possible that they don't skip starts and give everyone an extra day's rest though.
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Post by nomar on Mar 27, 2016 8:42:52 GMT -5
Say wut! “@jonheyman: Scout on red sox prospect Sam travis: ”the next Paul goldschmidt“” Wow this hype is bad juju
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