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Post by sox fan in nc on Feb 29, 2016 9:47:29 GMT -5
I think the bottom line here is that the RS were tired of the 3B play in the years up to 2015. WMB had soured. Cherington panicked & had to sign either Pablo or Headley. Headley had some back issues but could have been signed for less. Pablo, on paper, was better than Headley, so he signed him for whatever it took. He also had a good postseason record. That was it. Wasn't a deep 3B FA class.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Feb 29, 2016 14:05:08 GMT -5
Well that was an ugly first appearance for Panda.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 29, 2016 14:32:04 GMT -5
I think the bottom line here is that the RS were tired of the 3B play in the years up to 2015. WMB had soured. Cherington panicked & had to sign either Pablo or Headley. Headley had some back issues but could have been signed for less. Pablo, on paper, was better than Headley, so he signed him for whatever it took. He also had a good postseason record. That was it. Wasn't a deep 3B FA class. He's also a perfect example of the kind of guy a GM signs when they know they're out of job if they don't win next year.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Feb 29, 2016 14:41:02 GMT -5
Well that was an ugly first appearance for Panda. He looked overmatched against a college pitcher. Not a good sign. Off speed pitches take time to get use to though I guess. That's what he struck out on.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Feb 29, 2016 14:47:08 GMT -5
Well that was an ugly first appearance for Panda. He looked overmatched against a college pitcher. Not a good sign. Off speed pitches take time to get use to though I guess. That's what he struck out on. The too fat to bend over for a ground ball thing worried me more
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 29, 2016 15:11:39 GMT -5
He looked overmatched against a college pitcher. Not a good sign. Off speed pitches take time to get use to though I guess. That's what he struck out on. The too fat to bend over for a ground ball thing worried me more Don't let what you see interfere with reality. Our crack team of scientists have pretty much proven that. That's old school logic.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 29, 2016 15:22:09 GMT -5
The too fat to bend over for a ground ball thing worried me more Don't let what you see interfere with reality. Our crack team of scientists have pretty much proven that. That's old school logic. But our crack team of trolls is all over it.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 29, 2016 15:32:52 GMT -5
Don't let what you see interfere with reality. Our crack team of scientists have pretty much proven that. That's old school logic. But our crack team of trolls is all over it. Pokey's concern isn't justified. I'm sure the panda worked hard over the offseason and has come up with some sort of plan to get up if he bends over for a grounder.
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Post by jrffam05 on Feb 29, 2016 15:42:01 GMT -5
I wonder how many posts a spring training ground ball would have gotten if Sandoval wasn't such a fat fat fatty.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 29, 2016 15:44:41 GMT -5
LOL, wait until the game threads.
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Post by gerry on Feb 29, 2016 15:46:31 GMT -5
But our crack team of trolls is all over it. Pokey's concern isn't justified. I'm sure the panda worked hard over the offseason and has come up with some sort of plan to get up if he bends over for a grounder. 1st game, an exhibition game, against BC. The sky is falling again!
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Post by gerry on Feb 29, 2016 15:51:10 GMT -5
Pokey's concern isn't justified. I'm sure the panda worked hard over the offseason and has come up with some sort of plan to get up if he bends over for a grounder. 1st game, an exhibition game, against BC. The sky is falling again! It seems to me that this excellent site should read more like the Globe's Alex Speier than the hateful comment section of WEEI.com.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 29, 2016 17:49:26 GMT -5
I think the bottom line here is that the RS were tired of the 3B play in the years up to 2015. WMB had soured. Cherington panicked & had to sign either Pablo or Headley. Headley had some back issues but could have been signed for less. Pablo, on paper, was better than Headley, so he signed him for whatever it took. He also had a good postseason record. That was it. Wasn't a deep 3B FA class. I pretty strongly wanted them to trade for Luis Valbuena, who was losing his job to Kris Bryant. The Astros did that; he played 132 games with 2.1 bWAR. The price was low, too. They traded one year of Dexter Fowler, a 2.0 WAR-ish player himself, for for two years of Valbuena, plus mediocre bullpen arm Dan Straily.
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Post by ryantoworkman on Feb 29, 2016 20:29:18 GMT -5
I think the bottom line here is that the RS were tired of the 3B play in the years up to 2015. WMB had soured. Cherington panicked & had to sign either Pablo or Headley. Headley had some back issues but could have been signed for less. Pablo, on paper, was better than Headley, so he signed him for whatever it took. He also had a good postseason record. That was it. Wasn't a deep 3B FA class. I pretty strongly wanted them to trade for Luis Valbuena, who was losing his job to Kris Bryant. The Astros did that; he played 132 games with 2.1 bWAR. The price was low, too. They traded one year of Dexter Fowler, a 2.0 WAR-ish player himself, for for two years of Valbuena, plus mediocre bullpen arm Dan Straily. Valbuena was my target also. He seemed a perfect fit in time under control and had a Fenway swing. He wasn't great last year, but he wasn't Panda bad either.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 29, 2016 21:35:32 GMT -5
Speier tweets on Sandoval:
Alex Speier @alexspeier 10h10 hours ago Among the most eager Red Sox for the start of games? Pablo Sandoval, after being unable to finish 2015 on the field
Alex Speier @alexspeier 8h8 hours ago Sandoval, batting lefthanded, struck out on a curveball. A smattering of boos offers a reminder that he's under a microscope.
Speier tweets on Ramirez:
Alex Speier @alexspeier 8h8 hours ago Hanley Ramirez stayed on a fastball down and away and lined a ball off the scoreboard in LF for a double.
Alex Speier @alexspeier 6h6 hours ago As much as Hanley's defense at 1B was a talking point, more significant was ability to line a fastball low and away for a double to LF.
Alex Speier @alexspeier 6h6 hours ago Hanley said he couldn't extend for that pitch last year due to front shoulder injury. Now, he feels his plate coverage is back.
Alex Speier @alexspeier 6h6 hours ago Ramirez also said he's been working to take a shorter, more direct swing path to the ball, letting the ball travel deeper.
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Post by larrycook on Feb 29, 2016 22:35:13 GMT -5
Rameriez swing looked so much better today than most of last year. Seeing it makes me think that he really was injured last year.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 1, 2016 1:47:33 GMT -5
Rameriez swing looked so much better today than most of last year. Seeing it makes me think that he really was injured last year. It was classic line drive Hanley. The guy that won a batting title. It was awesome to see. I know Hanley is due to rebound. He isn't as bad as last year, that was a career low for him in both sides of his game. As for the other guy at third, man I really just don't know. Travis Shaw looks a lot better physically, defensively, and power wise too. If Pablo was making less money, I think he would of lost his job to Shaw already. Pablo doesn't look like he cares about baseball anymore. He looks as bad as ever.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 1, 2016 9:18:09 GMT -5
Yeah but looks can be deceiving. Panda has range, agility, flexibility, speed and endurance. Thus he is a five tool player. Plus he really cares.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 1, 2016 9:25:10 GMT -5
Sandoval claims he put in the work this offseason and beat writers have reported such as well. Sure, is the string short once the season starts, yea. But to not even give him a chance, regardless of what he "looks" like right now, seems shortsighted, especially since it's not like they have an immediate replacement that is a relatively sure thing to produce. As much as Travis Shaw may develop into a good enough starter, I'm not sure I see why he's more likely to be the "answer" right now than Sandoval is.
If he's god awful and it's apparent that he can't move and can't hit by May, then they likely have to do something, but I'm not sure there is a really apparent solution, let along having a $20M player on the bench, because we know regardless of talent it's rare for managers/GM's to do that
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Post by nomar on Mar 1, 2016 9:40:44 GMT -5
People are reading way too much into a bare hand do or die grounder and one strikeout.
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Post by gerry on Mar 1, 2016 11:08:28 GMT -5
People are reading way too much into a bare hand do or die grounder and one strikeout. Way, way, way too much. Rushing to judgement is historically counter-productive, right?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 1, 2016 11:30:57 GMT -5
People are reading way too much into a bare hand do or die grounder and one strikeout. Way, way, way too much. Rushing to judgement is historically counter-productive, right? Ummm, a year of -2.0 fWAR, a bare hand do or die grounder and one strikeout...
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Post by telson13 on Mar 1, 2016 12:49:53 GMT -5
Way, way, way too much. Rushing to judgement is historically counter-productive, right? Ummm, a year of -2.0 fWAR, a bare hand do or die grounder and one strikeout... All I know is, if there's a big, stinky brown growler curled up on the hood of Panda's nice ride, the police are going to know where to start interviewing.
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Post by nomar on Mar 1, 2016 15:52:39 GMT -5
People are reading way too much into a bare hand do or die grounder and one strikeout. Way, way, way too much. Rushing to judgement is historically counter-productive, right? I don't have time to look it up, so I'll say yes. If someone here proves me wrong I'll just double down and get hostile. After all, this is the internet. Ummm, a year of -2.0 fWAR, a bare hand do or die grounder and one strikeout... Im just saying what he did in 3 innings of an exhibition in spring training doesn't affect what we should expect from him this year. He's a declining player, just hopefully not the 5 WAR decline we saw last year. No matter what you/I think he'll do this year, blowing a singular play (especially in yesterday's setting) out of proportion doesn't make our prediction any more/less correct.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 1, 2016 16:05:31 GMT -5
Way, way, way too much. Rushing to judgement is historically counter-productive, right? I don't have time to look it up, so I'll say yes. If someone here proves me wrong I'll just double down and get hostile. After all, this is the internet. Ummm, a year of -2.0 fWAR, a bare hand do or die grounder and one strikeout... Im just saying what he did in 3 innings of an exhibition in spring training doesn't affect what we should expect from him this year. He's a declining player, just hopefully not the 5 WAR decline we saw last year. No matter what you/I think he'll do this year, blowing a singular play (especially in yesterday's setting) out of proportion doesn't make our prediction any more/less correct. Well that would make the game day threads pretty much empty if we can't evaluate players over small sample sizes.
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