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Post by ericmvan on Mar 1, 2016 18:45:13 GMT -5
I don't have time to look it up, so I'll say yes. If someone here proves me wrong I'll just double down and get hostile. After all, this is the internet. Im just saying what he did in 3 innings of an exhibition in spring training doesn't affect what we should expect from him this year. He's a declining player, just hopefully not the 5 WAR decline we saw last year. No matter what you/I think he'll do this year, blowing a singular play (especially in yesterday's setting) out of proportion doesn't make our prediction any more/less correct. Well that would make the game day threads pretty much empty remarkably free of pointless blather if we can't evaluate players over small sample sizes. FIFY. There's a world of difference between "great / awful play by Panda, it'll be great / awful if he keeps it up" and "great / awful play by Panda, he's going to have a great / awful season just like we have been saying all along and those of you who thought otherwise are idiots." Now, "Panda couldn't catch up to that fastball, something he used to be able to do and here are two gifs to prove it" ... that does have some meaning (although still a lot less than you might think). There are some things with a sample size of 1 that are at least a little meaningful ("Joe Kelly just touched 101 with the new Sidd Finch-inspired windup that Brian Bannister invented for him," for instance). But bobbling a ball in the field, or being retired at the plate, are certainly not on the list.
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Post by 75tillnow on Mar 1, 2016 20:49:20 GMT -5
EV -- just to be clear -- since I can't find any info to confirm -- are you just being rhetorical or do you in fact know that Kelly has reached 101 due to Bannister's influence?
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 2, 2016 2:18:13 GMT -5
EV -- just to be clear -- since I can't find any info to confirm -- are you just being rhetorical or do you in fact know that Kelly has reached 101 due to Bannister's influence? It's a joke. I assume you're too young to remember Sidd Finch, a famous April Fool's joke perpetrated by SI and George Plimpton. (I should have remembered the correct spelling -- it was supposedly short for "Siddhartha.")
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 2, 2016 8:02:05 GMT -5
Well that would make the game day threads pretty much empty remarkably free of pointless blather if we can't evaluate players over small sample sizes. FIFY. There's a world of difference between "great / awful play by Panda, it'll be great / awful if he keeps it up" and "great / awful play by Panda, he's going to have a great / awful season just like we have been saying all along and those of you who thought otherwise are idiots." Now, "Panda couldn't catch up to that fastball, something he used to be able to do and here are two gifs to prove it" ... that does have some meaning (although still a lot less than you might think). There are some things with a sample size of 1 that are at least a little meaningful ("Joe Kelly just touched 101 with the new Sidd Finch-inspired windup that Brian Bannister invented for him," for instance). But bobbling a ball in the field, or being retired at the plate, are certainly not on the list. But you know how that goes when fans are in the heat of the moment. The world is about to end on every play and every game is a must-win. I put tons of people on ignore during game day threads. I'm sure that I'm put on ignore also for complaining about Farrell too much after predicting the first two runners will get on in the 7th because the starter is going through the order for the 4th time.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 2, 2016 11:00:24 GMT -5
EV -- just to be clear -- since I can't find any info to confirm -- are you just being rhetorical or do you in fact know that Kelly has reached 101 due to Bannister's influence? It's a joke. I assume you're too young to remember Sidd Finch, a famous April Fool's joke perpetrated by SI and George Plimpton. (I should have remembered the correct spelling -- it was supposedly short for "Siddhartha.") One of the great spoofs of all time. Supposedly Sidd, a Harvard dropout, lived in a sparse apartment with no furniture and played strange music. His landlady never saw him...all of which added to the mystery. Sidd had gone to Tibet where he somehow discovered "the art of the pitch" and could throw the ball 168 mph. It was a very funny and almost believable story. My younger brother swore it was true for weeks.
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Post by 75tillnow on Mar 2, 2016 12:04:03 GMT -5
Cool! Live and learn - thanks!
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Post by ryantoworkman on Mar 2, 2016 14:06:43 GMT -5
It's a joke. I assume you're too young to remember Sidd Finch, a famous April Fool's joke perpetrated by SI and George Plimpton. (I should have remembered the correct spelling -- it was supposedly short for "Siddhartha.") One of the great spoofs of all time. Supposedly Sidd, a Harvard dropout, lived in a sparse apartment with no furniture and played strange music. His landlady never saw him...all of which added to the mystery. Sidd had gone to Tibet where he somehow discovered "the art of the pitch" and could throw the ball 168 mph. It was a very funny and almost believable story. My younger brother swore it was true for weeks. Let's not forget that he did this while wearing work boots, that were often untied. April Fool article that had everyone going
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 3, 2016 7:38:41 GMT -5
Hanley is still making the routine plays so far, which we couldn't say in LF last year. He hasn't been tested yet but one thing that makes me feel better is that if Hanley bobbles a ball at first, that the Sox should still get most of the outs if the pitcher is doing it's job of covering first.
I wonder if pitchers fielding practice is more emphasized this year with the presence of Hanley over there. It has to be. The pitchers have to be ready to run if a ball is hit at Hanley this year.
Does anyone else feel this way too?
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Post by jimoh on Mar 3, 2016 9:15:48 GMT -5
One of the great spoofs of all time. Supposedly Sidd, a Harvard dropout, lived in a sparse apartment with no furniture and played strange music. His landlady never saw him...all of which added to the mystery. Sidd had gone to Tibet where he somehow discovered "the art of the pitch" and could throw the ball 168 mph. It was a very funny and almost believable story. My younger brother swore it was true for weeks. Let's not forget that he did this while wearing work boots, that were often untied. April Fool article that had everyone going This is wildly inaccurate. He only wore one boot.
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Post by ryantoworkman on Mar 3, 2016 9:23:42 GMT -5
Hanley is still making the routine plays so far, which we couldn't say in LF last year. He hasn't been tested yet but one thing that makes me feel better is that if Hanley bobbles a ball at first, that the Sox should still get most of the outs if the pitcher is doing it's job of covering first. I wonder if pitchers fielding practice is more emphasized this year with the presence of Hanley over there. It has to be. The pitchers have to be ready to run if a ball is hit at Hanley this year. Does anyone else feel this way too? Haven't seen this year's drills, but in years past, pitcher fielding drills are notoriously low stress, low impact. More than likely, improvement is coming on back fields with Butter, and a surrogate as pitcher. From all I've read, and I'll hopefully be able to see for myself on tonight's broadcast, all looks very good. My guess is Hanley is closer to a middle of the pack first baseman than a Dick Stuart / Adam Dunn type.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 3, 2016 9:55:47 GMT -5
Hanley is still making the routine plays so far, which we couldn't say in LF last year. He hasn't been tested yet but one thing that makes me feel better is that if Hanley bobbles a ball at first, that the Sox should still get most of the outs if the pitcher is doing it's job of covering first. I wonder if pitchers fielding practice is more emphasized this year with the presence of Hanley over there. It has to be. The pitchers have to be ready to run if a ball is hit at Hanley this year. Does anyone else feel this way too? Haven't seen this year's drills, but in years past, pitcher fielding drills are notoriously low stress, low impact. More than likely, improvement is coming on back fields with Butter, and a surrogate as pitcher. From all I've read, and I'll hopefully be able to see for myself on tonight's broadcast, all looks very good. My guess is Hanley is closer to a middle of the pack first baseman than a Dick Stuart / Adam Dunn type. I just wonder if the Sox practice pitchers fielding practice more. We would probably have no way of finding that out either way. Honestly so far surpringly, Hanley to me has been the best story out of spring so far. He clearly wants to be at least decent there. I don't know if that was the case last year in LF. Maybe at times, even he felt he didn't belong there and maybe that's why he checked out. If you don't belong somewhere, that's what any rational human being does. It looks like he could belong at first base. It's very cool to see. I'm not expecting perfection, just make the easy plays that you couldn't do last year Hanley.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 3, 2016 10:12:48 GMT -5
Hanley is still making the routine plays so far, which we couldn't say in LF last year. He hasn't been tested yet but one thing that makes me feel better is that if Hanley bobbles a ball at first, that the Sox should still get most of the outs if the pitcher is doing it's job of covering first. I wonder if pitchers fielding practice is more emphasized this year with the presence of Hanley over there. It has to be. The pitchers have to be ready to run if a ball is hit at Hanley this year. Does anyone else feel this way too? Haven't seen this year's drills, but in years past, pitcher fielding drills are notoriously low stress, low impact. More than likely, improvement is coming on back fields with Butter, and a surrogate as pitcher. From all I've read, and I'll hopefully be able to see for myself on tonight's broadcast, all looks very good. My guess is Hanley is closer to a middle of the pack first baseman than a Dick Stuart / Adam Dunn type. The clips I have seen of Hanley fielding ground balls at first show him taking them off to the side. I hope that is not habitual.
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Post by ryantoworkman on Mar 3, 2016 10:13:46 GMT -5
Haven't seen this year's drills, but in years past, pitcher fielding drills are notoriously low stress, low impact. More than likely, improvement is coming on back fields with Butter, and a surrogate as pitcher. From all I've read, and I'll hopefully be able to see for myself on tonight's broadcast, all looks very good. My guess is Hanley is closer to a middle of the pack first baseman than a Dick Stuart / Adam Dunn type. I just wonder if the Sox practice pitchers fielding practice more. We would probably have no way of finding that out either way. Honestly so far surpringly, Hanley to me has been the best story out of spring so far. He clearly wants to be at least decent there. I don't know if that was the case last year in LF. Maybe at times, even he felt he didn't belong there and maybe that's why he checked out. If you don't belong somewhere, that's what any rational human being does. It looks like he could belong at first base. It's very cool to see. I'm not expecting perfection, just make the easy plays that you couldn't do last year Hanley. I believe many of us, myself included, downplayed how severe that shoulder injury was in 2015. I don't think he was ever going to be good, but early Jim Rice was my comparable at the start of the season. The shoulder injury made him Dick Stuart like in his incompetence. He is stroking the ball well with his new more compact swing, so I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that we'll be fine at 1B for 2016.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 4, 2016 18:56:06 GMT -5
Hanley could of picked a ball in a game today by a throw by Xander and couldn't do it. Hopefully he's only making most of these mistakes in spring training.
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Post by dangermike on Mar 4, 2016 23:10:49 GMT -5
Hanley could of picked a ball in a game today by a throw by Xander and couldn't do it. Hopefully he's only making most of these mistakes in spring training. I was there and it was a tough pick. I don't think I would bet on Hanley scooping those (at least in the beginning of the season)- maybe I'm in the minority but I thought, best case scenerio, he'd be passable but not lighting the world on fire at first.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 5, 2016 0:39:54 GMT -5
As long as he brings his bat, there won't be many complaining if he muffs a few tough scoops. As long as he's not trying to rework the Fenway dimensions with his body parts I'll be happy.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 5, 2016 22:52:31 GMT -5
Hanley could of picked a ball in a game today by a throw by Xander and couldn't do it. Hopefully he's only making most of these mistakes in spring training. I was there and it was a tough pick. I don't think I would bet on Hanley scooping those (at least in the beginning of the season)- maybe I'm in the minority but I thought, best case scenerio, he'd be passable but not lighting the world on fire at first. Yeah I saw the play and thought it was a tough pick but of course the media got on his case and said he should of got it. It was a in between hop. Hopefully not a lot of those come Hanley's way this year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 6, 2016 8:30:16 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 33s34 seconds ago
830 on a Sunday morning and Hanley Ramirez out the clubhouse door to go do 1B drills with Brian Butterfield. Actually seemed happy about it.
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Post by nomar on Mar 6, 2016 15:24:42 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 33s34 seconds ago 830 on a Sunday morning and Hanley Ramirez out the clubhouse door to go do 1B drills with Brian Butterfield. Actually seemed happy about it. Tack 5 UZR points on then!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 6, 2016 20:36:07 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 33s34 seconds ago 830 on a Sunday morning and Hanley Ramirez out the clubhouse door to go do 1B drills with Brian Butterfield. Actually seemed happy about it. Tack 5 UZR points on then! I've got Hanley pegged for a minimum 4 WAR improvement over last year.
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Post by nomar on Mar 6, 2016 23:06:41 GMT -5
Tack 5 UZR points on then! I've got Hanley pegged for a minimum 4 WAR improvement over last year. 2 WAR player is plenty reasonable. It's sad that if he and Sandoval are average starters that's like a 7-8 WAR difference to start with this roster.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 8, 2016 9:01:18 GMT -5
Sandoval 0-8 with two errors so far.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Mar 8, 2016 12:20:12 GMT -5
Sandoval 0-8 with two errors so far. Pablo appears trending like Alvarez and Kevin Mitchell and eating himself out of the league in a next two years. His contract is even worse than Offerman. I guess Shaw and Holt provide fall back options at 3B until Devers is ready.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 8, 2016 12:32:31 GMT -5
Sandoval 0-8 with two errors so far. Pablo appears trending like Alvarez and Kevin Mitchell and eating himself out of the league in a next two years. His contract is even worse than Offerman. I guess Shaw and Holt provide fall back options at 3B until Devers is ready. No comment on the first part but Shaw, Holt and Marrero until Moncada is ready seems like a more likely scenario. Holt is a great versatile player but third base is definitely not his best position. Also, given the Sox payroll and young players, Pablo's contract is not a major problem.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Mar 8, 2016 16:44:39 GMT -5
Sandoval 0-8 with two errors so far. Pablo appears trending like Alvarez and Kevin Mitchell and eating himself out of the league in a next two years. His contract is even worse than Offerman. I guess Shaw and Holt provide fall back options at 3B until Devers is ready. Holt doesn't have the arm for third.
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