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PC
Mar 10, 2016 11:23:39 GMT -5
Post by jimed14 on Mar 10, 2016 11:23:39 GMT -5
I'm also sick of society deciding exactly how people must speak and think about certain things else be shunned by one of two sides.
Harper is free to act like an a-hole and I'm free to criticize him for it. And I'm also allowed to be a hypocrite and love it when Papi does the same thing. Whatever, I'm an individual fan. I also have no issue with pitchers throwing at guys if they've tried to hurt someone on their team first. A fastball is a bigger deterrent than a possible suspension that is always based on results rather than intent.
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PC
Mar 10, 2016 12:01:34 GMT -5
Post by jmei on Mar 10, 2016 12:01:34 GMT -5
I'm also sick of society deciding exactly how people must speak and think about certain things else be shunned by one of two sides. Harper is free to act like an a-hole and I'm free to criticize him for it. And I'm also allowed to be a hypocrite and love it when Papi does the same thing. Whatever, I'm an individual fan. I also have no issue with pitchers throwing at guys if they've tried to hurt someone on their team first. A fastball is a bigger deterrent than a possible suspension that is always based on results rather than intent. You're free to criticize Harper. We're free to criticize you for criticizing Harper. You can speak and think however you want, but if you do so in a way that folks disagree with, then yeah, you'll see some pushback. |
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PC
Mar 10, 2016 12:12:54 GMT -5
Post by jimed14 on Mar 10, 2016 12:12:54 GMT -5
I'm also sick of society deciding exactly how people must speak and think about certain things else be shunned by one of two sides. Harper is free to act like an a-hole and I'm free to criticize him for it. And I'm also allowed to be a hypocrite and love it when Papi does the same thing. Whatever, I'm an individual fan. I also have no issue with pitchers throwing at guys if they've tried to hurt someone on their team first. A fastball is a bigger deterrent than a possible suspension that is always based on results rather than intent. You're free to criticize Harper. We're free to criticize you for criticizing Harper. You can speak and think however you want, but if you do so in a way that folks disagree with, then yeah, you'll see some pushback. Great, this can go on forever. |
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Post by nomar on Mar 10, 2016 13:40:16 GMT -5
Society is all about making guidelines for everyone today. Not trying to sound like some zen cool-guy, but I'm definitely of the "you do you and I'll do me" attitude. There's no point in getting bent out of shape over something that doesn't directly involve you in my opinion.
This is OT... but I thought South Park absolutely nailed the absurdity of the whole PC wave over their past season. People have always been hypocrites, but never have people been less aware of that hypocrisy. It can get annoying, but at least it's hilarious sometimes.
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Post by jmei on Mar 10, 2016 13:47:55 GMT -5
Society is all about making guidelines for everyone today. Not trying to sound like some zen cool-guy, but I'm definitely of the "you do you and I'll do me" attitude. There's no point in getting bent out of shape over something that doesn't directly involve you in my opinion. This is OT... but I thought South Park absolutely nailed the absurdity of the whole PC wave over their past season. People have always been hypocrites, but never have people been less aware of that hypocrisy. It can get annoying, but at least it's hilarious sometimes. Society has always been around setting guidelines for behavior. That is literally the definition of society ("the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community"). I'm of the opinion that the anti-PC backlash is largely due to a lot of folks who have been used to being the ones who set the rules finding out that they're no longer in charge. |
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PC
Mar 10, 2016 13:55:36 GMT -5
Post by jimed14 on Mar 10, 2016 13:55:36 GMT -5
Society is all about making guidelines for everyone today. Not trying to sound like some zen cool-guy, but I'm definitely of the "you do you and I'll do me" attitude. There's no point in getting bent out of shape over something that doesn't directly involve you in my opinion. This is OT... but I thought South Park absolutely nailed the absurdity of the whole PC wave over their past season. People have always been hypocrites, but never have people been less aware of that hypocrisy. It can get annoying, but at least it's hilarious sometimes. Society has always been around setting guidelines for behavior. That is literally the definition of society ("the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community"). I'm of the opinion that the anti-PC backlash is largely due to a lot of folks who have been used to being the ones who set the rules finding out that they're no longer in charge. I find a lot of anti-PC backlash to be due to a lot of folks who cherish free speech. The entire PC movement is about unofficially stifling free speech (and even free thought). You aren't allowed to even criticize someone without being called racist or sexist or xenophobic or a conspiracy theorist or anti-science or antisemitic or a truther or whatever term fits in any scenario. So you have people in power that are beyond criticism and ideas that cannot be questioned. Sound like free speech is alive and well. |
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PC
Mar 10, 2016 14:10:01 GMT -5
Post by jmei on Mar 10, 2016 14:10:01 GMT -5
Society has always been around setting guidelines for behavior. That is literally the definition of society ("the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community"). I'm of the opinion that the anti-PC backlash is largely due to a lot of folks who have been used to being the ones who set the rules finding out that they're no longer in charge. I find a lot of anti-PC backlash to be due to a lot of folks who cherish free speech. The entire PC movement is about unofficially stifling free speech (and even free thought). You aren't allowed to even criticize someone without being called racist or sexist or xenophobic or a conspiracy theorist or anti-science or antisemitic or a truther or whatever term fits in any scenario. So you have people in power that are beyond criticism and ideas that cannot be questioned. Sound like free speech is alive and well. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what free speech is. Free speech is not, nor has it ever been, "I can say whatever I want and noone can call me out on it." You can criticize whatever or whomever you want. But if you do so in a way that others find objectionable, yeah, they're going to call you out on it. If you think there is nothing objectionable about your original criticism, then defend that ground. For instance, if you're pro-hitting-people-with-baseballs, then just defend that position (e.g., by saying the odds of serious injury are low, the importance of having the players themselves define the norms of their game, etc.). If your response is instead "ugh, PC culture," that usually means your original position was too weak to defend. |
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PC
Mar 10, 2016 15:09:37 GMT -5
Post by jimed14 on Mar 10, 2016 15:09:37 GMT -5
I find a lot of anti-PC backlash to be due to a lot of folks who cherish free speech. The entire PC movement is about unofficially stifling free speech (and even free thought). You aren't allowed to even criticize someone without being called racist or sexist or xenophobic or a conspiracy theorist or anti-science or antisemitic or a truther or whatever term fits in any scenario. So you have people in power that are beyond criticism and ideas that cannot be questioned. Sound like free speech is alive and well. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what free speech is. Free speech is not, nor has it ever been, "I can say whatever I want and noone can call me out on it." You can criticize whatever or whomever you want. But if you do so in a way that others find objectionable, yeah, they're going to call you out on it. If you think there is nothing objectionable about your original criticism, then defend that ground. For instance, if you're pro-hitting-people-with-baseballs, then just defend that position (e.g., by saying the odds of serious injury are low, the importance of having the players themselves define the norms of their game, etc.). If your response is instead "ugh, PC culture," that usually means your original position was too weak to defend. I'm sure you've never heard anyone called a racist for criticizing Obama, no matter how legitimate of a criticism it is. Can you criticize Israel for any action whatsoever without being compared to Hitler? I am not saying that PC is crap because I should be free to be as racist as I want (I'm not whatsoever). I am saying that I should be allowed to state my opinions when they might be uncomfortable for a small number of people without being called some stupid name that is designed to discredit what I'm saying without any evaluation of the substance of what was said. It is absolutely an assault on free speech. And these are just the big easy targets of the anti-free speech movement. Then you get to the micro-aggressions and white privilege crap so no one notices or complains about the actual people in power. |
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PC
Mar 10, 2016 16:23:03 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Mar 10, 2016 16:23:03 GMT -5
Plenty of people, on both left and right, have criticized Obama and Israel without being called racist. Indeed, the far left is generally pretty anti-Israel (and is pretty vocal about it), and they only receive intermittent and poorly sustaned accusations of antisemitism. I seriously think you're projecting here. More importantly, someone calling you racist, etc. is not some magic trump card that shuts down the debate. I've never understood why so many folks are so sensitive about being accused of racism. Everyone's a little bit racist and all that. If you disagree with the charge, you are absolutely welcome to rebut it, and if your argument is strong enough, it will carry enough of the audience to blow over and be a non-issue. |
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