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Post by cologneredsox on Apr 7, 2016 7:01:18 GMT -5
Not sure "stupid" is the word I'd choose there, but I agree with the sentiment. I would. Panic after two games is stupid. This is beginning exactly like last year. I don't get how someone can freak out after two games. I've got no clue if somebody of our players looked bad or helpless so far, since I've never played myself and haven't far enough knowledge. But given the circumstances (beginning of the season, cold weather, some real good pitchers on the Indians), this complaining not only feels absurd, it feels downright laughable.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 7, 2016 7:06:06 GMT -5
Hate losing the 1 run games. Especially when there is awful bullpen management. That and when a pitcher has to throw four strikes for a K - especially when Napoli hits the fourth one 420 feet. Must be switharts fault (eye roll)
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 7, 2016 7:09:08 GMT -5
That and when a pitcher has to throw four strikes for a K - especially when Napoli hits the fourth one 420 feet. Must be switharts fault (eye roll) Actually, it was the 5th strike.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 7, 2016 7:10:17 GMT -5
I would. Panic after two games is stupid. This is beginning exactly like last year. I don't get how someone can freak out after two games. I've got no clue if somebody of our players looked bad or helpless so far, since I've never played myself and haven't far enough knowledge. But given the circumstances (beginning of the season, cold weather, some real good pitchers on the Indians), this complaining not only feels absurd, it feels downright laughable. Every single player goes through slumps where they can't hit anything and look lost. No one would notice if it didn't happen at the beginning of the year. Well, some people would notice.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 7, 2016 7:32:21 GMT -5
Given this strike zone, 4 K 3 BB is a perfectly respectable line. And no starting pitcher goes through a season without giving up a homerun at some point. This one came at a bad time, but that's not Buchholz's fault. I am immediately reminded of last season where some bad sequencing and fielding (which Buchholz also suffered from in the 2nd inning) led people to conclude that our entire rotation should be demoted to Salem. Turns out it wasn't quite that bad.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 7, 2016 8:34:09 GMT -5
If Carson Smith was available, it would've been a different ball game
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Post by station13 on Apr 7, 2016 8:47:12 GMT -5
I don't know, why didn't Farrell go with Barnes before Ramirez? The former has more MLB stuff and experience.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Apr 7, 2016 8:50:55 GMT -5
Yeah the last two guys in the bullpen let the team down a little but the only thing that has stuck out to me was how bad Xander looked against Carrasco. Those hard breaking balls on the outer half of the plate made Xander look pretty silly.
To be fair Carrasco is one of the better pitchers in the AL and makes plenty of better hitters look foolish.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 7, 2016 8:57:58 GMT -5
What worries me in Buchholz outing last night was his complete lack of feel for his changeup: When he looses it, it's generaly for long period of time and he sucks when it's not working...Something to keep an eye on.
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Post by station13 on Apr 7, 2016 8:58:54 GMT -5
Xander has the same awful swing last year if he tried to swing at a breaking ball away. It seems they just exploit it further after scouting he is incapable of handling such pitches.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 7, 2016 9:47:25 GMT -5
I don't know, why didn't Farrell go with Barnes before Ramirez? The former has more MLB stuff and experience. Farrell's gonna Farrell.
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Post by xycosis on Apr 7, 2016 10:28:40 GMT -5
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Post by station13 on Apr 7, 2016 10:37:51 GMT -5
That was blatantly awful from HP umpire.
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Post by mandelbro on Apr 7, 2016 11:15:16 GMT -5
Cy Young season starts tonight.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 7, 2016 11:18:32 GMT -5
It's bad, no doubt about it. The hope is that this stuff doesn't escape MLB in its review of umpiring. They have to know that the information is reaching more people all the time. The flow of data, like the stuff from BrooksBaseball can't be ignored forever.
All that said, social and political structures are very resistant to change. They are the most durable "things" we construct, in my opinion. Look no further than the current political climate with hammer blows coming from both sides for one example. Knowledge about failures in the banking system and the lack of accountability went global many years ago, but it's barely made a ripple in the mainstream party organizations. There was bound to be some very strong feedback given that knowledge, so here we are.
Information can't be brushed aside, and these days you can't try to hide it as the Chinese are now trying desperately to do with the data dump from Panama. We're talking about an environment where the number of communications channels has increased tenfold in just a few decades.
Best to use that data to make your organization better. That can be very difficult when entrenched interests are at work.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 7, 2016 11:36:48 GMT -5
Xander has the same awful swing last year if he tried to swing at a breaking ball away. It seems they just exploit it further after scouting he is incapable of handling such pitches. He's a notorious slow starter (see last year) april 2015
As long as he continues to play good defense and not get frustrated, he should be all right.
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Post by ray88h66 on Apr 7, 2016 13:21:19 GMT -5
So last year I said Clay B was a big drain on the bullpen. Eric V said no more" than 5 or 6 innings a year". I told him at least 15 0r 20, and asked what that meant, no response. 2 innings so far this year.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 7, 2016 14:05:29 GMT -5
Xander has the same awful swing last year if he tried to swing at a breaking ball away. It seems they just exploit it further after scouting he is incapable of handling such pitches. This was literally the first thing pitchers tried against Bogaerts and was talked about widely in 2014 as his problem. So, it's not some new thing they came up with that will ruin his season this year. He had a bad game. Everyone has bad games. Ted Williams had bad games.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 7, 2016 14:22:29 GMT -5
I don't know, why didn't Farrell go with Barnes before Ramirez? The former has more MLB stuff and experience. I agree, have to think Barnes is currently the long man in pen, but they went with Ramirez in 5th. Just don't like the bullpen as its currently put together. I like Ramirez and Barnes, but with Ross, Layne, Koji, Taz and Kimbrel it just seems we need another arm that can go 2-3 innings. What happens if Kelly only goes like 3 innings today? This is why I think Johnson could be a real weapon in bullpen. A lefty that can get strikeouts and go 2-3 innings.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 7, 2016 15:35:23 GMT -5
It's bad, no doubt about it. The hope is that this stuff doesn't escape MLB in its review of umpiring. They have to know that the information is reaching more people all the time. The flow of data, like the stuff from BrooksBaseball can't be ignored forever. All that said, social and political structures are very resistant to change. They are the most durable "things" we construct, in my opinion. Look no further than the current political climate with hammer blows coming from both sides for one example. Knowledge about failures in the banking system and the lack of accountability went global many years ago, but it's barely made a ripple in the mainstream party organizations. There was bound to be some very strong feedback given that knowledge, so here we are. Information can't be brushed aside, and these days you can't try to hide it as the Chinese are now trying desperately to do with the data dump from Panama. We're talking about an environment where the number of communications channels has increased tenfold in just a few decades. Best to use that data to make your organization better. That can be very difficult when entrenched interests are at work. Well, there's a lot of money in banking all on the side of bankers. I'm not sure how much money there is in inconsistent umpiring, so I'm a lot more optimistic that they'll change that more quickly. The umpires union is strong, but they can always be threatened with technology at this point.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Apr 7, 2016 15:59:17 GMT -5
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 7, 2016 16:05:50 GMT -5
Booooooo
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Apr 7, 2016 16:24:18 GMT -5
this is getting ridiculous now
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 7, 2016 17:01:55 GMT -5
I'm guessing that Wright will now be skipped in his start so that the rotation returns to normal rest. That in turn makes Wright available for long relief as originally planned.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 7, 2016 17:19:29 GMT -5
At least Toronto/Tampa got their series in.
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