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5/3-5/5 Red Sox @ White Sox Series Thread
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Post by deepjohn on May 5, 2016 8:50:35 GMT -5
And with the flip of the calendar page, Clay flips that #5 into #2. If Rodriguez is at all who he was last year, this is becoming a very dangerous team. The bullpen (unlike NY) will be a tremendous, utilizable weapon. Well, as I mentioned earlier, he's not Certified Real Clay (TM) until he's had good two starts in a row. His false-alarm good start in 2014 had a lousy xFIP offset by great BABIP. His good start this year against the Blue Jays three starts ago had subpar xFIP and average BABIP but mixed sequencing luck and avoiding the long ball. But he was legitimately terrific in his first and fourth starts last year, while not putting it together until his 10th. Still, diving deeper than game score makes it seem considerably likelier that this was indeed the turnaround. If you wanted to bet it was just a tease and I was giving you fair odds, I think I'd give you 3-1. I hate the contrarian in me for saying it, but he would take that bet, while observing: Clay's BABIP was .125 and his 4-ish FIP was about the same as it has been the last two games. He was not missing bats, with a high z-contact% and so-so 6Ks and 2 BBs in 25 TBF (3.48 kwERA and great framing by Vasqui). Hitters were not fooled much and his O-Swing% was the same as it has been. It's true his ground ball rate and soft contact was up, but so was his hard contact (medium contact was down). Still looks like he's not as good as the other four pitchers (when Rodriquez comes back), and is battling for the #5 spot with Kelly and Owens, but now, with the glass half full. ADD: In fairness, the contrarian thinks Rodriquez, Wright, Porcello and Price (possibly in that order) could all be #1-#1A pitchers.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 5, 2016 9:28:03 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone else had that feeling, but I heard there will be more suspensions for PED use (for unnamed player(s), then literally the next thing I heard was Hanley was scratched from the line-up. Then they said it was the flu.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 5, 2016 9:32:01 GMT -5
From what I read, it's not big name players. Even if he was one of them, I don't see why they would take him out of the lineup.
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Post by nomar on May 5, 2016 9:52:21 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone else had that feeling, but I heard there will be more suspensions for PED use (for unnamed player(s), then literally the next thing I heard was Hanley was scratched from the line-up. Then they said it was the flu. Those darn PEDs led Hanley to cheat all the way to being a below average hitter!
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Post by mandelbro on May 5, 2016 9:56:10 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone else had that feeling, but I heard there will be more suspensions for PED use (for unnamed player(s), then literally the next thing I heard was Hanley was scratched from the line-up. Then they said it was the flu. Those darn PEDs led Hanley to cheat all the way to being a below average hitter! If Hanley starting taking PEDs this offseason, then they are without a doubt the worst PEDs ever.
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Post by soxfanatic on May 5, 2016 10:01:00 GMT -5
Those darn PEDs led Hanley to cheat all the way to being a below average hitter! If Hanley starting taking PEDs this offseason, then they are without a doubt the worst PEDs ever. PDDs Performance Decreasing Drugs.
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Post by mandelbro on May 5, 2016 10:17:18 GMT -5
If Hanley starting taking PEDs this offseason, then they are without a doubt the worst PEDs ever. PDDs Performance Decreasing Drugs. He's taking Grittiness Enhancing Drugs, which explains why he's more of a winner than ever
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Post by sarasoxer on May 5, 2016 10:24:24 GMT -5
PDDs Performance Decreasing Drugs. He's taking Grittiness Enhancing Drugs, which explains why he's more of a winner than ever Absolutely agree here. Hanley has as an enthusiastic attitude that I have never come close to seeing before. Great stuff right now.
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Post by mandelbro on May 5, 2016 10:39:52 GMT -5
He's taking Grittiness Enhancing Drugs, which explains why he's more of a winner than ever Absolutely agree here. Hanley has an enthusiastic attitude that I have never come close to seeing before. Great stuff right now. I was joking! He does seem to be more into the game this year. But I think he's always been like that when he's engaged, it's just a matter of keeping him engaged.
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Post by Canseco on May 5, 2016 10:48:00 GMT -5
Good win last night, guys. I'm gonna go shoot up and hit some bombs during BP.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 5, 2016 11:14:05 GMT -5
If Hanley starting taking PEDs this offseason, then they are without a doubt the worst PEDs ever. PDDs Performance Decreasing Drugs. Chris Colabello must have been taking something worse than that as he was hitting .069.
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Post by ericmvan on May 5, 2016 13:10:07 GMT -5
Well, as I mentioned earlier, he's not Certified Real Clay (TM) until he's had good two starts in a row. His false-alarm good start in 2014 had a lousy xFIP offset by great BABIP. His good start this year against the Blue Jays three starts ago had subpar xFIP and average BABIP but mixed sequencing luck and avoiding the long ball. But he was legitimately terrific in his first and fourth starts last year, while not putting it together until his 10th. Still, diving deeper than game score makes it seem considerably likelier that this was indeed the turnaround. If you wanted to bet it was just a tease and I was giving you fair odds, I think I'd give you 3-1. I hate the contrarian in me for saying it, but he would take that bet, while observing: Clay's BABIP was .125 and his 4-ish FIP was about the same as it has been the last two games. He was not missing bats, with a high z-contact% and so-so 6Ks and 2 BBs in 25 TBF (3.48 kwERA and great framing by Vasqui). Hitters were not fooled much and his O-Swing% was the same as it has been. It's true his ground ball rate and soft contact was up, but so was his hard contact (medium contact was down). Still looks like he's not as good as the other four pitchers (when Rodriquez comes back), and is battling for the #5 spot with Kelly and Owens, but now, with the glass half full. ADD: In fairness, the contrarian thinks Rodriquez, Wright, Porcello and Price (possibly in that order) could all be #1-#1A pitchers. FIP is somewhere between kissing your sister and getting kissed by her dog. When I include it, I'm just being thorough. And for one-game samples, it's doesn't even make sense as a halfway stat. Why would you keep the HR/FB, which has a massive single-game variation due to one-bad-pitchness, while eliminating BABIP, which in single games actually often appears to be real? Keep them both or dump them both. His xFIP was not great, but it was better than average. His Hard% was indeed elevated. But you can't look at the whole game as if it were one data point. His first 10 batters: 2 SO, 1 BB, 6 balls in the air, 1 GB. And 5 of the balls in the air hit hard. His last 15 batters: 4 SO, 1 BB, 3 balls in the air (none hard including 1 popup), 7 GB (1 rocket on one hop to Pedroia, none of the others hard). That's a massive mid-game turn-around in xFIP as well as Hard%.
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Post by mandelbro on May 5, 2016 13:23:45 GMT -5
PDDs Performance Decreasing Drugs. Chris Colabello must have been taking something worse than that as he was hitting .069. He was taking the banned substance sexytimeorol
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Post by deepjohn on May 5, 2016 13:38:32 GMT -5
I hate the contrarian in me for saying it, but he would take that bet, while observing: Clay's BABIP was .125 and his 4-ish FIP was about the same as it has been the last two games. He was not missing bats, with a high z-contact% and so-so 6Ks and 2 BBs in 25 TBF (3.48 kwERA and great framing by Vasqui). Hitters were not fooled much and his O-Swing% was the same as it has been. It's true his ground ball rate and soft contact was up, but so was his hard contact (medium contact was down). Still looks like he's not as good as the other four pitchers (when Rodriquez comes back), and is battling for the #5 spot with Kelly and Owens, but now, with the glass half full. ADD: In fairness, the contrarian thinks Rodriquez, Wright, Porcello and Price (possibly in that order) could all be #1-#1A pitchers. FIP is somewhere between kissing your sister and getting kissed by her dog. When I include it, I'm just being thorough. And for one-game samples, it's doesn't even make sense as a halfway stat. Why would you keep the HR/FB, which has a massive single-game variation due to one-bad-pitchness, while eliminating BABIP, which in single games actually often appears to be real? Keep them both or dump them both. His xFIP was not great, but it was better than average. His Hard% was indeed elevated. But you can't look at the whole game as if it were one data point. His first 10 batters: 2 SO, 1 BB, 6 balls in the air, 1 GB. And 5 of the balls in the air hit hard. His last 15 batters: 4 SO, 1 BB, 3 balls in the air (none hard including 1 popup), 7 GB (1 rocket on one hop to Pedroia, none of the others hard). That's a massive mid-game turn-around in xFIP as well as Hard%. That would be awesome if you picked the exact spot when he turned around, at 10 batters in. I'll give you even money on that, and buy you a drink of your choice if/when you're right!
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Post by Canseco on May 5, 2016 13:54:15 GMT -5
Am I the only one who is oftentimes motivated to slam a beer upon seeing Christian Vazquez's genuine enthusiasm behind the dish? That kid is a joy to watch. Even with Buchholz out there, I am always confident when that kid is catching.
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Post by radiohix on May 5, 2016 13:56:20 GMT -5
Am I the only one who is oftentimes motivated to slam a beer upon seeing Christian Vazquez's genuine enthusiasm behind the dish? That kid is a joy to watch. Even with Buchholz out there, I am always confident when that kid is catching. No you're not
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Post by Don Caballero on May 5, 2016 14:06:46 GMT -5
Am I the only one who is oftentimes motivated to slam a beer upon seeing Christian Vazquez's genuine enthusiasm behind the dish? That kid is a joy to watch. Even with Buchholz out there, I am always confident when that kid is catching. I'm always motivated to slam a beer.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 5, 2016 14:16:49 GMT -5
PDDs Performance Decreasing Drugs. He's taking Grittiness Enhancing Drugs, which explains why he's more of a winner than ever Is that the one with Jonny Gomes on the bottle? Seriously, though, I think first base is the perfect fit for Hanley. It sees more action than any position but pitcher and catcher, which I think serves to keep him engaged and in the game more. He's pretty fun to watch there this season, which isn't something I expected at all.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 5, 2016 14:18:47 GMT -5
Am I the only one imagining someone trying to body slam a bear?
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Post by Canseco on May 5, 2016 14:22:48 GMT -5
Am I the only one imagining someone trying to body slam a bear? I've done it. It's not that tough when compared to sitting through a season with Darren Lewis in the lineup every day.
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Post by Guidas on May 5, 2016 15:33:38 GMT -5
And now Henry Owens will baffle the White Sox by throwing just as many balls as strikes and not being able to even tell himself which are which as the ball leaves his hand.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 5, 2016 15:40:06 GMT -5
I'll take Owen over Johsnon. 2 of 3 here would be great, especially with our three aces gearing up to sweep the Yankees again.
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Post by radiohix on May 5, 2016 15:48:24 GMT -5
And now Henry Owens will baffle the White Sox by throwing just as many balls as strikes and not being able to even tell himself which are which as the ball leaves his hand. All I'm asking from him is a 2 run 4 innings "effort" and then we unleach the BP. Can you do this for me Hank?
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Post by jimed14 on May 5, 2016 15:56:36 GMT -5
Awesome stuff that no one noticed until 108 Stiches today:
Ortiz has a .330/.390/.651 line vs. LHP in 118 PAs since last July 2nd when he made an adjustment to open his stance more so he could see the ball better.
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Post by radiohix on May 5, 2016 16:08:42 GMT -5
Awesome stuff that no one noticed until 108 Stiches today: Ortiz has a .330/.390/.651 line vs. LHP in 118 PAs since last July 2nd when he made an adjustment to open his stance more so he could see the ball better. Can't see how he's "seeing the ball better" with a .060 IsoD!
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