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5/12-5/15 Red Sox vs. Astros Series Thread
TearsIn04
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 12, 2016 21:22:33 GMT -5
Great broadcast tonight, one of the best I can remember. The Clemens breakdown of Price was superb and the shots of Pedroia signalling 2B coverage to X was very entertaining. Remy was also on his game with some excellent analysis.
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Post by Smittyw on May 12, 2016 21:27:22 GMT -5
Superb triumph!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 12, 2016 21:41:01 GMT -5
And theyve been one of the 4 best teams almost every single year the past decade. Name a more successful team the past decade among the 120ish major sports teams. Yeah, they've won what, 15 of 17 AFC East titles? MFYs from '95-'09 had a better run though, in arguably a tougher environment. That said, I like the chances for this Sox team to have similar high-level sustained success, given their terrific 26-and-under core, and their minor league system. Not to mention some emerging arms in the 'pen, Price and Porcello locked up for a few years, and an amazing depth/utility player in Holt (yeah, he fits the 26-and-under group, but I felt like singling him out). The two super bowl losses to very average Giants teams should've been more sobering for our fanbase than they have been in my opinion. I'm a Patriots fan too but its a bit annoying when people in Boston scoff at the Red Sox and ask when is football is starting back up again when the Sox could potentially be great and Brady is suspended anyway. That and the now year round coverage of the Patriots in the media.
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Post by libertine on May 12, 2016 21:46:32 GMT -5
Great broadcast tonight, one of the best I can remember. The Clemens breakdown of Price was superb and the shots of Pedroia signalling 2B coverage to X was very entertaining. Remy was also on his game with some excellent analysis. Agree. Remy was very good tonight and TC did a very good job on play-by-play. And the segment with Clemens was very enjoyable and informative.
Haven't been a huge fan of O'Brien so far. Hard for me to listen to him. He has at times come off, at least to me, as clichéd, often times repetitive and a bit too much fanboyish. During a game in the White Sox series he mentioned 4 times it was the first time in history that 4 first place teams were playing games in the same city on the same day ever...the 4th time he said it he prefaced it with "it bears repeating". I audibly said to the tv "it's gonna be a long season this year, isn't it". And I hope I don't get to see Lyons any time again soon, he brings nothing. Eck is a very suitable replacement when Remy isn't available.
But the baseball has been everything you could hope for lately, the Sox are playing great ball. So if the tv announcers are the only thing to gripe about it has been a great season up to this point.
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Post by jmei on May 12, 2016 21:53:57 GMT -5
Yeah, they've won what, 15 of 17 AFC East titles? MFYs from '95-'09 had a better run though, in arguably a tougher environment. That said, I like the chances for this Sox team to have similar high-level sustained success, given their terrific 26-and-under core, and their minor league system. Not to mention some emerging arms in the 'pen, Price and Porcello locked up for a few years, and an amazing depth/utility player in Holt (yeah, he fits the 26-and-under group, but I felt like singling him out). The two super bowl losses to very average Giants teams should've been more sobering for our fanbase than they have been in my opinion. I'm a Patriots fan too but its a bit annoying when people in Boston scoff at the Red Sox and ask when is football is starting back up again when the Sox could potentially be great and Brady is suspended anyway. That and the now year round coverage of the Patriots in the media. The NFL playoffs are single elimination, which means you get a lot of upsets. Losing a couple Super Bowls on fluky plays (helmet catch, Welker drop, etc.) does not invalidate a stretch of success that ranks up there with the most successful organizations in all of sports.
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Post by Gwell55 on May 12, 2016 22:01:36 GMT -5
And theyve been one of the 4 best teams almost every single year the past decade. Name a more successful team the past decade among the 120ish major sports teams. Not to start a huge off-topic conversation but the San Antonio Spurs may be close Naw they haven't been caught cheating 4 or 5 times so they don't count~!
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Post by jchang on May 12, 2016 22:05:56 GMT -5
If you haven't been caught cheating, either you're not trying hard enough or you're really good at cheating.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 12, 2016 22:11:21 GMT -5
Yeah, they've won what, 15 of 17 AFC East titles? MFYs from '95-'09 had a better run though, in arguably a tougher environment. That said, I like the chances for this Sox team to have similar high-level sustained success, given their terrific 26-and-under core, and their minor league system. Not to mention some emerging arms in the 'pen, Price and Porcello locked up for a few years, and an amazing depth/utility player in Holt (yeah, he fits the 26-and-under group, but I felt like singling him out). The two super bowl losses to very average Giants teams should've been more sobering for our fanbase than they have been in my opinion. I'm a Patriots fan too but its a bit annoying when people in Boston scoff at the Red Sox and ask when is football is starting back up again when the Sox could potentially be great and Brady is suspended anyway. That and the now year round coverage of the Patriots in the media. If your criticism of a franchise is "well, they didn't win the Superbowl EVERY year", it's probably a pretty good franchise.
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Post by telson13 on May 12, 2016 22:49:55 GMT -5
Yeah, they've won what, 15 of 17 AFC East titles? MFYs from '95-'09 had a better run though, in arguably a tougher environment. That said, I like the chances for this Sox team to have similar high-level sustained success, given their terrific 26-and-under core, and their minor league system. Not to mention some emerging arms in the 'pen, Price and Porcello locked up for a few years, and an amazing depth/utility player in Holt (yeah, he fits the 26-and-under group, but I felt like singling him out). The two super bowl losses to very average Giants teams should've been more sobering for our fanbase than they have been in my opinion. I'm a Patriots fan too but its a bit annoying when people in Boston scoff at the Red Sox and ask when is football is starting back up again when the Sox could potentially be great and Brady is suspended anyway. That and the now year round coverage of the Patriots in the media. I'll always love the Pats...watched every game for many years, even the "Now Leonard Russell (2.8 ypc) is the type of running back who likes to gain a lot of yards"(-Beasley Reece) years. But something about 2007 just...uggh. The magic was gone. And the Sox are, and always will be, my favorites. And that's having grow up during the Bird-McHale-Parish-Ainge-DJ years. Game 2 of the 2004 series is the undisputed pinnacle of my live sporting event history, and (it's almost sad, but it's not at all really) nothing else will ever come remotely close.
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Post by telson13 on May 12, 2016 22:54:25 GMT -5
The two super bowl losses to very average Giants teams should've been more sobering for our fanbase than they have been in my opinion. I'm a Patriots fan too but its a bit annoying when people in Boston scoff at the Red Sox and ask when is football is starting back up again when the Sox could potentially be great and Brady is suspended anyway. That and the now year round coverage of the Patriots in the media. The NFL playoffs are single elimination, which means you get a lot of upsets. Losing a couple Super Bowls on fluky plays (helmet catch, Welker drop, etc.) does not invalidate a stretch of success that ranks up there with the most successful organizations in all of sports. He's talking fan humility, not invalidation of their success.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on May 13, 2016 0:25:25 GMT -5
Great broadcast tonight, one of the best I can remember. The Clemens breakdown of Price was superb and the shots of Pedroia signalling 2B coverage to X was very entertaining. Remy was also on his game with some excellent analysis. I agree. It's weird to say this, but I prefer having TC on play-by-play even though O'Brien is obviously better at it. The chemistry Jerry and TC had tonight and the other times he's filled in was great.
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Post by a2sox on May 13, 2016 1:24:03 GMT -5
Hope Gary's giant watch is waterproof...
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Post by mgoetze on May 13, 2016 3:26:52 GMT -5
This game is right in line with Price's season. A ton of Ks, but also some hits and a run. Yes, as Tony Blegino wrote for FG yesterday ( www.fangraphs.com/blogs/is-it-time-to-worry-about-david-price/ ), the Ks and BBs have not been the issue but rather the quality of contact (what he failed to mention was poor sequencing). Price yesterday benefited from a large strike zone and some better sequencing, but he still gave up a .429 BABIP. Unlike others, I'm not ready to announce he has returned to form - I want to see him do it against a tight strike zone first.
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Post by nomar on May 13, 2016 5:23:05 GMT -5
Well Keuchel isn't taking it too hard. My friend went to the game and saw him taking shots at the bar afterwards.
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Post by burythehammer on May 13, 2016 5:31:15 GMT -5
I check this every day because I keep assuming this is the peak and they can't keep doing it but The Red Sox, as a team, rank 55th AMONG PLAYERS in wRC+.
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Post by soxfanatic on May 13, 2016 5:56:45 GMT -5
Well Keuchel isn't taking it too hard. My friend went to the game and saw him taking shots at the bar afterwards. Drowning his sorrows.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on May 13, 2016 6:10:54 GMT -5
I check this every day because I keep assuming this is the peak and they can't keep doing it but The Red Sox, as a team, rank 55th AMONG PLAYERS in wRC+. The assumption is probably valid. In fact, I'm wondering if the team in general isn't pulling a JBJ and having an impossibly hot streak that will be followed some time down the line with an extended cold period. In watching last night's game highlights, every time I wasn't seeing the ball going over or off the wall I was seeing the 420 sign.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 13, 2016 6:25:52 GMT -5
Well Keuchel isn't taking it too hard. My friend went to the game and saw him taking shots at the bar afterwards. Drowning his sorrows. Yeah, I think it's a triumph of will that he waited until the game was over. If I was pitching against the Sox, I'd probably start popping shots of bourbon *before* the game.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 13, 2016 6:34:10 GMT -5
This game is right in line with Price's season. A ton of Ks, but also some hits and a run. Yes, as Tony Blegino wrote for FG yesterday ( www.fangraphs.com/blogs/is-it-time-to-worry-about-david-price/ ), the Ks and BBs have not been the issue but rather the quality of contact (what he failed to mention was poor sequencing). Price yesterday benefited from a large strike zone and some better sequencing, but he still gave up a .429 BABIP. Unlike others, I'm not ready to announce he has returned to form - I want to see him do it against a tight strike zone first. Did you watch the game? That BABIP was pure bad luck. I don't think there was a single ball that was hit hard against Price all night. Altuve's little liner to start the game probably came closest. This is a case where the line actually undersold Price.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 13, 2016 7:06:55 GMT -5
The NFL playoffs are single elimination, which means you get a lot of upsets. Losing a couple Super Bowls on fluky plays (helmet catch, Welker drop, etc.) does not invalidate a stretch of success that ranks up there with the most successful organizations in all of sports. He's talking fan humility, not invalidation of their success. This guy gets it. I'm talking about fan/media humility not the organizations themselves.
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Post by mgoetze on May 13, 2016 7:26:03 GMT -5
Did you watch the game? That BABIP was pure bad luck. I don't think there was a single ball that was hit hard against Price all night. Altuve's little liner to start the game probably came closest. This is a case where the line actually undersold Price. I saw the condensed game this morning while I was waking up. Among other things I saw a really sharply-hit ball that would have gotten past most 2B, but Pedroia made a great stop to prevent the BABIP from going up even further...
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Post by nomar on May 13, 2016 7:42:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it's a triumph of will that he waited until the game was over. If I was pitching against the Sox, I'd probably start popping shots of bourbon *before* the game. Yeah that'd be just good old fashioned foresight.
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Post by jimed14 on May 13, 2016 7:45:30 GMT -5
His FIP for the game was -0.05. I think he pitched pretty well.
The main thing is that he pitched well with runners on base, which was killing him before. He has pitched four stinkers this year and in each of those games, more than half of baserunners scored.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 13, 2016 7:55:46 GMT -5
Did you watch the game? That BABIP was pure bad luck. I don't think there was a single ball that was hit hard against Price all night. Altuve's little liner to start the game probably came closest. This is a case where the line actually undersold Price. I saw the condensed game this morning while I was waking up. Among other things I saw a really sharply-hit ball that would have gotten past most 2B, but Pedroia made a great stop to prevent the BABIP from going up even further... Yeah, that was a nice play, probably the only one, but still on a groundball ... my question wasn't snarky, by the way; the games are played in the middle of the night for you. Watching in real time, Price wasn't particularly precise with his command in the early stages (he got better as the game went on), but his stuff was really good, and the Astros never hit anything with authority all game. Their only extra base hit was a Wall-scraping double that was so weakly hit Kratz jogged to first base shaking his head in frustration about his lazy fly ball out. I remember four hits clearly: that weak double, a bunt single, a medium ground ball through the middle, and Altuve's little line drive. I can't remember the other two, but I think one was a bloop single. Really, if he had even normal BABIP luck, he could've got 7-8 scoreless innings before his pitch count ran out. With a little positive luck, we'd be talking about his complete game shutout right now.
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Post by bluechip on May 13, 2016 7:58:47 GMT -5
His FIP for the game was -0.05. I think he pitched pretty well. The main thing is that he pitched well with runners on base, which was killing him before. He has pitched four stinkers this year and in each of those games, more than half of baserunners scored. I think Price did pitch better this game. Nevertheless, his issue this year hasn't been his walks or strikeouts (i.e. His FIP), it's been has been the quality of contact when runners made contact with the ball. Hopefully he pitches more like this game going forward.
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