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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2016 3:30:50 GMT -5
A name I'd like to see the Sox make an agressive play for that I don't hear discussed as much is Jose Quintana from the White Sox. While I think he would still cost a ton, I do think it would be short of the "blockbuster" prices that would be needed to acquire a pitcher like Sale, Fernandez or Gray. Their system is pretty darn mediocre, somewhere on the edge between the middle and bottom tier of the league and their best prospects are probably Tim Anderson (just called up to the big club) with Carson Fulmer and Spencer Adams. They are a club where I can still see Blake Swihart and Henry Owens being significant portions of a deal. Granted, that would still have to include at least one of the big names, but I can see those two along with Devers and someone like Kopech or Chavis making some sense for them. This would allow the ChiSox to pretty quickly upgrade their system and young talent in the minors. It also allows them to hold on to their ace (Sale) and their best young pitcher (Rodon), and gives them another young pitcher (Owens) to help off-set what they're paying Shields. For the Red Sox, Quintana is team controlled through 2020, factoring in very reasonable options and he doesn't have the NL to AL conversion to worry about. He has shown a very neutral home and road split through his career, and has had very good success in roughly a season's worth of starts (28) against the AL East. At 27 he slots in VERY well with Price, Porcello and Wright to give the club four starters over the next several years. Granted, giving up Swihart, Devers and Kopech in the same deal would hurt a lot, but I think it keeps Benintendi and Moncada off the table. Mods - feel free to move if this should be in the trade proposal threads, I didn't see anything allocated toward him in there, and saw some specific names were being discussed in this thread, so I thought it appropriate. Problem is that Quintana is on a contending team. |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 21, 2016 9:55:08 GMT -5
A name I'd like to see the Sox make an agressive play for that I don't hear discussed as much is Jose Quintana from the White Sox. While I think he would still cost a ton, I do think it would be short of the "blockbuster" prices that would be needed to acquire a pitcher like Sale, Fernandez or Gray. Their system is pretty darn mediocre, somewhere on the edge between the middle and bottom tier of the league and their best prospects are probably Tim Anderson (just called up to the big club) with Carson Fulmer and Spencer Adams. They are a club where I can still see Blake Swihart and Henry Owens being significant portions of a deal. Granted, that would still have to include at least one of the big names, but I can see those two along with Devers and someone like Kopech or Chavis making some sense for them. This would allow the ChiSox to pretty quickly upgrade their system and young talent in the minors. It also allows them to hold on to their ace (Sale) and their best young pitcher (Rodon), and gives them another young pitcher (Owens) to help off-set what they're paying Shields. For the Red Sox, Quintana is team controlled through 2020, factoring in very reasonable options and he doesn't have the NL to AL conversion to worry about. He has shown a very neutral home and road split through his career, and has had very good success in roughly a season's worth of starts (28) against the AL East. At 27 he slots in VERY well with Price, Porcello and Wright to give the club four starters over the next several years. Granted, giving up Swihart, Devers and Kopech in the same deal would hurt a lot, but I think it keeps Benintendi and Moncada off the table. Mods - feel free to move if this should be in the trade proposal threads, I didn't see anything allocated toward him in there, and saw some specific names were being discussed in this thread, so I thought it appropriate. Problem is that Quintana is on a contending team. I don't consider the White Sox as being contending. |
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Post by notguilty on Jun 21, 2016 9:59:34 GMT -5
Problem is that Quintana is on a contending team. I don't consider the White Sox as being contending. Really? They looked like they were "contending" plenty last night. At least as much as the Red Sox are. And they have Sale and Quintana going, looking to "contend" some more. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 21, 2016 10:12:08 GMT -5
I don't consider the White Sox as being contending. Really? They looked like they were "contending" plenty last night. At least as much as the Red Sox are. And they have Sale and Quintana going, looking to "contend" some more. The Red Sox are one game out of first place and leading the wild card race. The White Sox are under .500, are 5.5 games out of both first place and are 4.5 out of the wild card. So no, the White Sox are not at least as much of a contender as the Red Sox are. I think the price for Quintana will (and probably should) be prohibitive, but it's not at all unreasonable to think that the White Sox will be sellers in a month. |
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jun 21, 2016 10:15:24 GMT -5
Jose Quintana is a 4 to 5 WAR pitcher signed through 2018 to a team-friendly contract (with two additional option years); imagine what the Red Six gave up for Kimbrel, then double it and you'll have a good idea of where market value starts.
The Red Sox lead the AL in OPS (by a comfortable margin); they actually have the second best OPS against in the AL. Based on their peripheral stats, which tend to be better predictors of future win-loss, they are easily the best team in the AL. They are certainly one of the five best teams in the AL.
If they can add a bullpen arm or a fifth starter or a LF without touching their core prospects, they should obviously consider it, but a big trade is more likely to cost a lot in the long term for very little in the short term.
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Post by notguilty on Jun 21, 2016 10:38:05 GMT -5
Really? They looked like they were "contending" plenty last night. At least as much as the Red Sox are. And they have Sale and Quintana going, looking to "contend" some more. The Red Sox are one game out of first place and leading the wild card race. The White Sox are under .500, are 5.5 games out of both first place and are 4.5 out of the wild card. So no, the White Sox are not at least as much of a contender as the Red Sox are. I think the price for Quintana will (and probably should) be prohibitive, but it's not at all unreasonable to think that the White Sox will be sellers in a month. Right, but that is not quite what he said now, is it? He didn't say the White Sox will not be contenders in a month. He said he doesn't see them as contenders now (well, he didn't specifically say "now", but the phrasing certainly implied it). I think it's a little silly to say that a team with that type of starting pitching is out of it ("not contenders") while they are 4.5 games behind, on June 20, in the second wild card era, and in a division that has the Minnesota Twins doling out games. If they're still there on July 20, that's obviously a different story. Of course, if the emphasis is on my saying "at least as much as the Red Sox are", then fair enough - but that's really fine semantics, isn't it? |
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Post by telson13 on Jun 21, 2016 13:36:36 GMT -5
The Red Sox are one game out of first place and leading the wild card race. The White Sox are under .500, are 5.5 games out of both first place and are 4.5 out of the wild card. So no, the White Sox are not at least as much of a contender as the Red Sox are. I think the price for Quintana will (and probably should) be prohibitive, but it's not at all unreasonable to think that the White Sox will be sellers in a month. Right, but that is not quite what he said now, is it? He didn't say the White Sox will not be contenders in a month. He said he doesn't see them as contenders now (well, he didn't specifically say "now", but the phrasing certainly implied it). I think it's a little silly to say that a team with that type of starting pitching is out of it ("not contenders") while they are 4.5 games behind, on June 20, in the second wild card era, and in a division that has the Minnesota Twins doling out games. If they're still there on July 20, that's obviously a different story. Of course, if the emphasis is on my saying "at least as much as the Red Sox are", then fair enough - but that's really fine semantics, isn't it? No, James's comment was completely valid. The implication was that the White Sox are the better team, or at the very least at least as likely to make the playoffs. That's not reflected in a rational perusal of the data. It's a reactionary statement to last night's debacle. |
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Post by notguilty on Jun 21, 2016 14:30:37 GMT -5
Right, but that is not quite what he said now, is it? He didn't say the White Sox will not be contenders in a month. He said he doesn't see them as contenders now (well, he didn't specifically say "now", but the phrasing certainly implied it). I think it's a little silly to say that a team with that type of starting pitching is out of it ("not contenders") while they are 4.5 games behind, on June 20, in the second wild card era, and in a division that has the Minnesota Twins doling out games. If they're still there on July 20, that's obviously a different story. Of course, if the emphasis is on my saying "at least as much as the Red Sox are", then fair enough - but that's really fine semantics, isn't it? No, James's comment was completely valid. The implication was that the White Sox are the better team, or at the very least at least as likely to make the playoffs. That's not reflected in a rational perusal of the data. It's a reactionary statement to last night's debacle. Riiight.. I really must work on my reading comprehension then. My post was merely reacting to two statements: Pedrofan45 said "Quintana is on a contending team" To which Sox fan in NC, responded "I don't consider the White Sox as being contend(ers)". To which I said it's probably a bit early, on June 21, to say that a team that is 4.5 games out of the WC and 5.5 out of first place, with that type of front line pitching, is out of the playoff race (my definition of "contending"). I didn't read anywhere where anybody said that the White Sox are "better" team than the Red Sox, or "at the very least at least as likely to make the playoffs" as the Red Sox. But maybe I'm missing something. |
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Post by jmei on Jun 21, 2016 14:45:01 GMT -5
This is an incredibly pedantic conversation, but you said, and I quote: "[the White Sox] were "contending" plenty last night. At least as much as the Red Sox are." That is a factually incorrect statement that others picked up on.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 21, 2016 15:32:36 GMT -5
This is an incredibly pedantic conversation, but you said, and I quote: "[the White Sox] were "contending" plenty last night. At least as much as the Red Sox are." That is a factually incorrect statement that others picked up on. Well-put. As for Quintana, I think it's worth exploring, but I'm not sure Chicago feels any inclination to trade him unless they're bowled over. And while I like him as a pitcher, I don't like the Red Sox bowling anyone over with giant prospect packages just to get one player, especially a pitcher. They really ought to grab Arcia, though. And frankly, they could stand to start poking around at young starters with good stuff that other teams are bailing on. And maybe call the Mets, whose offense is atrocious to the point that they're not going anywhere. When the Braves and Phillies are the only teams you can count as worse offensively, you're in trouble. Edit: Oops, I somehow confused the Mets with Cincy. They're only slightly sub-par, which in Citi shouldn't be crippling. But they could still use a 3b and significant positional depth. |
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Post by notguilty on Jun 21, 2016 15:37:21 GMT -5
This is an incredibly pedantic conversation, but you said, and I quote: "[the White Sox] were "contending" plenty last night. At least as much as the Red Sox are." That is a factually incorrect statement that others picked up on. And a silly one at that to be honest. If you torture words enough, you can certainly make them say whatever you want them to say. Let's just forget about it, shall we? |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 21, 2016 20:56:31 GMT -5
If ERA was a clever for 1986 then what is your undefined good start bad start good for Downton Abbey? Also by your own supersimplistic undefined stat can you not see the trend? Are you going out of your way to bury just how bad bad has been? He's been terrible for years. Starting pitching is the teams biggest weakness no matter how you slice and dice it. Was this intended as comic relief? Just to orient you somewhere in the vicinity of reality, in 2015, for example, the 7 bad starts plus 10 good starts combined to make him the 11th most valuable SP in MLB, on a per start basis. In 2011 the 6 bad starts and 8 good starts combined to rank him 20th. That's how insanely more good the good has been, versus how bad the bad has been. I "buried" it because it's the single most obvious thing in this discussion (for natives of planet Earth). Are you supposed to be Marvin Martian? The comic relief is your caveats such as "on a per start basis". You see that is a huge part of his problem you cannot dismiss, yet you will, if he pitches well he inevitably gets hurt but otherwise he sucks. He was bad enough to remove him from our staff, that speaks volumes in an if itself but the options have been so bad that they felt they had to give him another chance. Your original parameters you established 'to even begin thinking about adding another pitcher' by your own admission failed, but yet now you still defend your position.... go figure. He has not had 2 straight years above average for five years, with; ERA+ 92 (189.1 IP) FIP-4.65, ERA+237 (108.1-IP) FIP-2.78, ERA+75 (170.1-IP) FIP-4.01, ERA+139 (113-IP) FIP-2.68, and ERA+75 (66-IP) FIP-5.60 Most projection systems focus on the last 3 years (for good reason) but yet you wage your argument based on 2015 now that's comical. I went back 5 years to show no bias. This is not missing a few starts, but half a season of start, and no matter what the fill in he's worth it valuable. When he's pitched well over the past 5 years (only 2013 and 2015) he's average 111 IP, and that simply is not nearly good enough and your per start basis has no basis in the real world as someone has to pitch those other games and that applies to Kelly to. How do you define valuable as you have repeatedly dismissed IP as an important factor? I predict it will have a caveat. |
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 21, 2016 21:20:56 GMT -5
Let's trade for Fernandez, Cole, how about Sale, Strasburg while were at it..
Lester Lackey Hill and the list goes on of legit pitchers this organization has let walk.
Now your salary strung with bad contracts and a terrible in game manager.
Ramirez Sandoval Porcello Castillo Craig Kelly all bust.
Like Bill Belichick said, you get what you deserve!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 21, 2016 21:41:51 GMT -5
Let's trade for Fernandez, Cole, how about Sale, Strasburg while were at it.. Lester Lackey Hill and the list goes on of legit pitchers this organization has let walk. Now your salary strung with bad contracts and a terrible in game manager. Ramirez Sandoval Porcello Castillo Craig Kelly all bust. Like Bill Belichick said, you get what you deserve! Man, it's gotta be totally miserable to be in your crappy little world. How far beyond the list of Lester, Lackey, and Hill does your "list" go on? You know that Lackey had no desire to stay here, right? The problem was that the Sox made a crappy trade for Lackey. And yeah, they screwed up by not signing Lester. And Hill was dominant for 4 starts and hadn't pitched 100 innings in about 7 years, so of course it was a slam dunk he should have been re-signed. Ramirez, Sandoval, Castillo, and Kelly all were busts. Not sure why you're so damn certain that Porcello is a bust. Last I checked he was having a good season. Gee, maybe they should fire the guy that made all those signings. Oh, they did, so what are you kvetching about? At least the guy who did those crappy acquisitions was smart enough not to to deal young guys like Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley when he had a chance (and he had plenty of chances), and he struck gold on the Anderson for Wright deal and at least he left them with a pretty good farm system that includes Moncada, Espinoza, Benintendi, and Devers. And at least he had a World Series championship on his resume. But now - do you know there are now babies entering toddlerhood who can say the Sox have never won the Big one in their lifetimes?!!! How will these poor deprived children survive? I feel your anguish, Mr. Troll. So let's complain instead. They're getting what they deserve, a team that's actually in contention (despite playing like crap this month) and has young players at its core with more on the way in the upcoming years. WAAAAAHHHHHH. |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 21, 2016 21:51:08 GMT -5
And for what it's worth, most of us thought that the Lester contract was an overpay. What Lester got was more than what most people were comfortable giving him. Not to mention that we didn't have the super hindsight of knowing what Lester's stats would be with the Cubs when it came time to sign him. Lester hadn't been that great of a pitcher for that long when we were trying to extend him.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 21, 2016 21:56:00 GMT -5
And for what it's worth, most of us thought that the Lester contract was an overpay. What Lester got was more than what most people were comfortable giving him. Not to mention that we didn't have the super hindsight of knowing what Lester's stats would be with the Cubs when it came time to sign him. Lester hadn't been that great of a pitcher for that long when we were trying to extend him. I have to admit, while I get he's 30 and it's not a great policy to sign those guys to a long-term contract, I'm surprised that a lot of people didn't think he'd be worth the contract the Cubs signed him to or that he'd command that much. I have always thought Lester was a durable pitcher who'd still be a good pitcher by the time he was 35. I don't know if the Sox would still have signed Price had they signed Lester. I think that Price is a better pitcher so if that's the case, then I'm glad they let Lester go and signed Price instead, but I wish they had both. |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 22, 2016 11:36:04 GMT -5
And for what it's worth, most of us thought that the Lester contract was an overpay. What Lester got was more than what most people were comfortable giving him. Not to mention that we didn't have the super hindsight of knowing what Lester's stats would be with the Cubs when it came time to sign him. Lester hadn't been that great of a pitcher for that long when we were trying to extend him. I have to admit, while I get he's 30 and it's not a great policy to sign those guys to a long-term contract, I'm surprised that a lot of people didn't think he'd be worth the contract the Cubs signed him to or that he'd command that much. I have always thought Lester was a durable pitcher who'd still be a good pitcher by the time he was 35. I don't know if the Sox would still have signed Price had they signed Lester. I think that Price is a better pitcher so if that's the case, then I'm glad they let Lester go and signed Price instead, but I wish they had both. The 30-ish pitcher F/A are a crapshoot. For every Lester, Scherzer, Price (for now), & I'm sure countless more, there is a James Shields, Barry Zito, Johan Santana, Mike Hampton, even Pedro.......You can't sit back & say (I'm not saying you are) I told you they were going to be good, we should have signed him. Lester was good, not great. He could have easily gone south just like many other GOOD pitchers entering FA around 30. |
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Post by jdb on Jun 22, 2016 14:28:08 GMT -5
Lots of speculation that with Pittsburg 11 GB from the WC they more than likely will sell. I'd love to get Freese to back up the corners and be Hanley insurance. Nafteli Feliz is a pending FA and Watson a great LH out of the pen but he'd probably be more expensive than most of us around here would be willing to go since he has one more year of control.
Great news that Holt could be back soon and I still think/hope someone will step up in the back end of the rotation.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 22, 2016 14:51:11 GMT -5
The 30-ish pitcher F/A are a crapshoot. For every Lester, Scherzer, Price (for now), & I'm sure countless more, there is a James Shields, Barry Zito, Johan Santana, Mike Hampton, even Pedro.......You can't sit back & say (I'm not saying you are) I told you they were going to be good, we should have signed him. Lester was good, not great. He could have easily gone south just like many other GOOD pitchers entering FA around 30. Lester is in year 1 of a 6-year deal, he hasn't provided $155m worth of value just yet. It's a bit early to declare that signing a massive success for the Cubs. |
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Post by semperfisox on Jun 22, 2016 14:58:20 GMT -5
I just want Hanley gone. Get a 1B who can hit.
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Post by deepjohn on Jun 22, 2016 15:54:47 GMT -5
The number one thing the FO could do to improve this team is bring Benintendi up. There, I said it. He will light a fire under the team in close games and get the crowd roaring. Just do it.
And the number two thing is, since Hanley will never hit fastballs again, they should bring Moncada up, too, let him play third, with Shaw moving to a platoon with Hanley at first.
In GFIN mode, to increase the confidence level of winning this year, trading for Fernandez is the only feasible option. So you've got to show the Marlins that Moncada is an MLB ready superstar, which he is. But you've got to prove it.
IMHO, Clay found the command of his wicked changeup on 6/16. That made his fastball work. Expect to see more sub-3 xFIP/9Ks/1 BB from Clay going forward.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 22, 2016 22:12:06 GMT -5
Let's trade for Fernandez, Cole, how about Sale, Strasburg while were at it.. Lester Lackey Hill and the list goes on of legit pitchers this organization has let walk. Now your salary strung with bad contracts and a terrible in game manager. Ramirez Sandoval Porcello Castillo Craig Kelly all bust. Like Bill Belichick said, you get what you deserve! Man, it's gotta be totally miserable to be in your crappy little world. How far beyond the list of Lester, Lackey, and Hill does your "list" go on? You know that Lackey had no desire to stay here, right? The problem was that the Sox made a crappy trade for Lackey. And yeah, they screwed up by not signing Lester. And Hill was dominant for 4 starts and hadn't pitched 100 innings in about 7 years, so of course it was a slam dunk he should have been re-signed. Ramirez, Sandoval, Castillo, and Kelly all were busts. Not sure why you're so damn certain that Porcello is a bust. Last I checked he was having a good season. Gee, maybe they should fire the guy that made all those signings. Oh, they did, so what are you kvetching about? At least the guy who did those crappy acquisitions was smart enough not to to deal young guys like Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley when he had a chance (and he had plenty of chances), and he struck gold on the Anderson for Wright deal and at least he left them with a pretty good farm system that includes Moncada, Espinoza, Benintendi, and Devers. And at least he had a World Series championship on his resume. But now - do you know there are now babies entering toddlerhood who can say the Sox have never won the Big one in their lifetimes?!!! How will these poor deprived children survive? I feel your anguish, Mr. Troll. So let's complain instead. They're getting what they deserve, a team that's actually in contention (despite playing like crap this month) and has young players at its core with more on the way in the upcoming years. WAAAAAHHHHHH. Keep buying the 100 dollar seats and 6 dollar hotdogs while watching an ownership group run this Team in the ground. Failure to resign players that could play here at a high level. Failure to resign players who won championships here. Failure to retain a GM (epstein) who knew how to Scout, Draft and develop. Maybe the biggest failure of them all was running Francona out of town. But wait, we got last place Farrell at the helm and a 31 million dollar pitcher this time who signed over age 30. So which is it John Henry? You keep on paying like the rest of the suckers to watch this pitching staff stink it up! Your doing a great job Dave, make sure you call John Henry before you blow your nose, or maybe you call Allard Baird first? Just like Foxboro Bill said, in the end you get what you deserve! |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2016 22:39:41 GMT -5
Man, it's gotta be totally miserable to be in your crappy little world. How far beyond the list of Lester, Lackey, and Hill does your "list" go on? You know that Lackey had no desire to stay here, right? The problem was that the Sox made a crappy trade for Lackey. And yeah, they screwed up by not signing Lester. And Hill was dominant for 4 starts and hadn't pitched 100 innings in about 7 years, so of course it was a slam dunk he should have been re-signed. Ramirez, Sandoval, Castillo, and Kelly all were busts. Not sure why you're so damn certain that Porcello is a bust. Last I checked he was having a good season. Gee, maybe they should fire the guy that made all those signings. Oh, they did, so what are you kvetching about? At least the guy who did those crappy acquisitions was smart enough not to to deal young guys like Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley when he had a chance (and he had plenty of chances), and he struck gold on the Anderson for Wright deal and at least he left them with a pretty good farm system that includes Moncada, Espinoza, Benintendi, and Devers. And at least he had a World Series championship on his resume. But now - do you know there are now babies entering toddlerhood who can say the Sox have never won the Big one in their lifetimes?!!! How will these poor deprived children survive? I feel your anguish, Mr. Troll. So let's complain instead. They're getting what they deserve, a team that's actually in contention (despite playing like crap this month) and has young players at its core with more on the way in the upcoming years. WAAAAAHHHHHH. Keep buying the 100 dollar seats and 6 dollar hotdogs while watching an ownership group run this Team in the ground. Failure to resign players that could play here at a high level. Failure to resign players who won championships here. Failure to retain a GM (epstein) who knew how to Scout, Draft and develop. Maybe the biggest failure of them all was running Francona out of town. But wait, we got last place Farrell at the helm and a 31 million dollar pitcher this time who signed over age 30. So which is it John Henry? You keep on paying like the rest of the suckers to watch this pitching staff stink it up! Your doing a great job Dave, make sure you call John Henry before you blow your nose, or maybe you call Allard Baird first? Just like Foxboro Bill said, in the end you get what you deserve! Are you going to rant like this every time they lose a game? It's annoying. They didn't run the team into the ground. That's stupid. They're not the Phillies, Braves, Reds, Twins, or Padres. It's amazing how annoying you sound even when I agree with some of your points. I think losing Epstein and Francona were mistakes. Have always thought that to be the case. I like Dombrowski, but am weary of what kind of internal pressure he may be dealing with right now, and Cherington did some good things and some really bad things, but Epstein, had he been allowed to do what he wanted to do without interference from Lucchino, was a great GM - Cubs fans are seeing that now, and Francona was the best manager the Sox have ever had. I thought the Sox should have signed Lester. I've always been consistent with that and I think they made a mistake in not signing him, but why are you complaining about David Price? Would you prefer that the Sox make a mistake, not admit it, and keep making it over and over again? Price is a damn good pitcher with a better track record than Lester, so it's kind of like losing Clemens after 1996, going a year without him, and then replacing him with Martinez, an even better pitcher. That's similar to what happened here. What's this other crap about failure to re-sign players who could play here at a higher level? They brought back most of the 2013 team other than Lester, Lackey, and Ellsbury, which in his case was a good decision to let go. If anything that team was kept together too long. And if you don't want to pay for $100 seats or $6 hot dogs, don't go to the game. Nobody at Fenway Park is going to be mourning your absence. |
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Post by bluechip on Jun 23, 2016 7:31:15 GMT -5
Man, it's gotta be totally miserable to be in your crappy little world. How far beyond the list of Lester, Lackey, and Hill does your "list" go on? You know that Lackey had no desire to stay here, right? The problem was that the Sox made a crappy trade for Lackey. And yeah, they screwed up by not signing Lester. And Hill was dominant for 4 starts and hadn't pitched 100 innings in about 7 years, so of course it was a slam dunk he should have been re-signed. Ramirez, Sandoval, Castillo, and Kelly all were busts. Not sure why you're so damn certain that Porcello is a bust. Last I checked he was having a good season. Gee, maybe they should fire the guy that made all those signings. Oh, they did, so what are you kvetching about? At least the guy who did those crappy acquisitions was smart enough not to to deal young guys like Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley when he had a chance (and he had plenty of chances), and he struck gold on the Anderson for Wright deal and at least he left them with a pretty good farm system that includes Moncada, Espinoza, Benintendi, and Devers. And at least he had a World Series championship on his resume. But now - do you know there are now babies entering toddlerhood who can say the Sox have never won the Big one in their lifetimes?!!! How will these poor deprived children survive? I feel your anguish, Mr. Troll. So let's complain instead. They're getting what they deserve, a team that's actually in contention (despite playing like crap this month) and has young players at its core with more on the way in the upcoming years. WAAAAAHHHHHH. Keep buying the 100 dollar seats and 6 dollar hotdogs while watching an ownership group run this Team in the ground. Failure to resign players that could play here at a high level. Failure to resign players who won championships here. Failure to retain a GM (epstein) who knew how to Scout, Draft and develop. Maybe the biggest failure of them all was running Francona out of town. But wait, we got last place Farrell at the helm and a 31 million dollar pitcher this time who signed over age 30. So which is it John Henry? You keep on paying like the rest of the suckers to watch this pitching staff stink it up! Your doing a great job Dave, make sure you call John Henry before you blow your nose, or maybe you call Allard Baird first? Just like Foxboro Bill said, in the end you get what you deserve! I can only assume that you are satirizing the late 1990s Red Sox fan mentality. |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 23, 2016 9:33:43 GMT -5
The 30-ish pitcher F/A are a crapshoot. For every Lester, Scherzer, Price (for now), & I'm sure countless more, there is a James Shields, Barry Zito, Johan Santana, Mike Hampton, even Pedro.......You can't sit back & say (I'm not saying you are) I told you they were going to be good, we should have signed him. Lester was good, not great. He could have easily gone south just like many other GOOD pitchers entering FA around 30. Lester is in year 1 of a 6-year deal, he hasn't provided $155m worth of value just yet. It's a bit early to declare that signing a massive success for the Cubs. He is year 2 of a 6 year deal.............Also, would you, right now, today, take him on this deal? If you say yes, I would imagine you would feel this is a fair contract. I also never said he has already provided $155m of value to the Cubs. That's hard to do in 1 1/2 years of a 6 year deal. |
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