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Post by dmaineah on Jun 23, 2016 9:42:53 GMT -5
How do you improve the Red Sox?
Get the Pitching Staff to keep the Ball IN THE BALL PARK!
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Post by Coreno on Jun 23, 2016 17:29:47 GMT -5
$100 seats? Where do you shop for tix?
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 23, 2016 20:14:16 GMT -5
Lester is in year 1 of a 6-year deal, he hasn't provided $155m worth of value just yet. It's a bit early to declare that signing a massive success for the Cubs. He is year 2 of a 6 year deal.............Also, would you, right now, today, take him on this deal? If you say yes, I would imagine you would feel this is a fair contract. I also never said he has already provided $155m of value to the Cubs. That's hard to do in 1 1/2 years of a 6 year deal. If you ignore a troll long enough they wither away
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Post by larrycook on Jun 23, 2016 22:29:09 GMT -5
Amazing how many Pawtucket players have played in Boston this year thus far.
One #2 starter is all we need to add, maybe another bullpen arm and once our walking wounded return, we should be good.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 23, 2016 22:34:01 GMT -5
It's time to give Pat Light another look. Yeah, he walks too many guys, but he doesn't give up many hits, either. 14 hits in 24 innings, with 29 K. Just have a look in some low-leverage situations and see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. Koji isn't a viable 8th-inning option anymore. Move Tazawa to the 8th, Ross the "high-leverage"/7th inning guy, and see if Light can add something to the 'pen. Also, I'm on board with Kelly to the 'pen at this point. Buchholz can probably serve as a 5, and Haley had a nice recovery tonight in AAA, so he might be worth a spot start, but I think getting a fair appraisal of their in-house options ahead of the deadline is the way to go.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 24, 2016 0:34:49 GMT -5
Man, it's gotta be totally miserable to be in your crappy little world. How far beyond the list of Lester, Lackey, and Hill does your "list" go on? You know that Lackey had no desire to stay here, right? The problem was that the Sox made a crappy trade for Lackey. And yeah, they screwed up by not signing Lester. And Hill was dominant for 4 starts and hadn't pitched 100 innings in about 7 years, so of course it was a slam dunk he should have been re-signed. Ramirez, Sandoval, Castillo, and Kelly all were busts. Not sure why you're so damn certain that Porcello is a bust. Last I checked he was having a good season. Gee, maybe they should fire the guy that made all those signings. Oh, they did, so what are you kvetching about? At least the guy who did those crappy acquisitions was smart enough not to to deal young guys like Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley when he had a chance (and he had plenty of chances), and he struck gold on the Anderson for Wright deal and at least he left them with a pretty good farm system that includes Moncada, Espinoza, Benintendi, and Devers. And at least he had a World Series championship on his resume. But now - do you know there are now babies entering toddlerhood who can say the Sox have never won the Big one in their lifetimes?!!! How will these poor deprived children survive? I feel your anguish, Mr. Troll. So let's complain instead. They're getting what they deserve, a team that's actually in contention (despite playing like crap this month) and has young players at its core with more on the way in the upcoming years. WAAAAAHHHHHH. Keep buying the 100 dollar seats and 6 dollar hotdogs while watching an ownership group run this Team in the ground. Failure to resign players that could play here at a high level. Failure to resign players who won championships here. Failure to retain a GM (epstein) who knew how to Scout, Draft and develop. Maybe the biggest failure of them all was running Francona out of town. But wait, we got last place Farrell at the helm and a 31 million dollar pitcher this time who signed over age 30. So which is it John Henry? You keep on paying like the rest of the suckers to watch this pitching staff stink it up! Your doing a great job Dave, make sure you call John Henry before you blow your nose, or maybe you call Allard Baird first? Just like Foxboro Bill said, in the end you get what you deserve! Yeah, this ownership group has overseen three WS winners (in three attempts). They've made mistakes, and had successes. The current team is coming off of a last-place finish, signed an amateur who will be the #1 prospect in baseball come this winter (love the 3-fer against Giolito and co. the other night), made a great draft pick in Benintendi and a very bold, hopefully terrific one, in Groome. They risked their IFA pool for Acosta/Espinoza, and said "wtf?" and got the aforementioned Moncada by beating out NY and LA. They held on to their young talent and have seen Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley blossom. Letting Lester go was a mistake, but they signed Price. They traded (Lars Andersen) for Wright. They had four of the top-20 on BA's top-100 last winter. ****And they're 1 1/2 games out of first, with a HUGE advantage in run differential compared with Baltimore****. I'm not sure what reality you're speaking from, but you're welcome to join us all back in this one. It's pretty good here.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 24, 2016 1:03:10 GMT -5
Amazing how many Pawtucket players have played in Boston this year thus far. One #2 starter is all we need to add, maybe another bullpen arm and once our walking wounded return, we should be good. Did that Wednesday night. Seriously.
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 24, 2016 5:44:41 GMT -5
Keep buying the 100 dollar seats and 6 dollar hotdogs while watching an ownership group run this Team in the ground. Signed, A guy who will watch every single Red Sox game this year
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 24, 2016 7:11:28 GMT -5
It's time to give Pat Light another look. Yeah, he walks too many guys, but he doesn't give up many hits, either. 14 hits in 24 innings, with 29 K. Just have a look in some low-leverage situations and see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. Koji isn't a viable 8th-inning option anymore. Move Tazawa to the 8th, Ross the "high-leverage"/7th inning guy, and see if Light can add something to the 'pen. Also, I'm on board with Kelly to the 'pen at this point. Buchholz can probably serve as a 5, and Haley had a nice recovery tonight in AAA, so he might be worth a spot start, but I think getting a fair appraisal of their in-house options ahead of the deadline is the way to go. The pen is still an obvious work in progress. ...and may be until next year but seeing what we have internally first makes the most sense...even though the likelihood of a starburst is low. Tazawa scares me...He has always been a hit/inning guy and his velocity drops with back-to-backs.... Koji is sailing west with a following breeze.. Kimbrel..great stuff but has control warts...Barnes lacks ideal command and has a straight FB IMO, Layne is...Layne. We might have won two more against the WS with a dominant pen. But failure this early is good. Let's try something else. It's time for an infusion.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 24, 2016 9:42:32 GMT -5
What I would like to see the Sox do before the trade deadline:
-Replace Farrell with Lovullo, the Sox have been awful in close games, and I feel like Farrell has a lot to do with that, if Lovullo is an improvement in that area, this move could be more impactful than acquiring a 4 win player.
-I don’t want to deal away our young core or our best prospects to acquire frontline starting pitching, the Sox should see if a deal could be made with Devers headlining the deal, but our elite prospects Moncada, Benintendi, Espinoza, Kopech, Groome off limits. I think in theory, offering Devers, Owens, Travis, Lakins should be enough to land a starting pitcher who can help, but in this market I don’t see it being enough, in which case I hope the Sox walk away. Now if we are talking about Jose Fernandez than the prospect package obviously changes, but even then, I think Benintendi, Espinoza, Devers, +, falls short of what the Marlins want. Any deal for a impactful starting pitcher is likely going to take an extreme overpay, and hopefully the Sox balk at that.
-In lieu of adding starting pitching I propose the following, add an impact bat in LF, and a bullpen arm or two, and bash your way to the playoffs. I know the name has come up several times, but I think Ryan Braun might be a great target, he has a higher OPS than Xander at the moment, he has significant money and years left on his contract (4 yrs / $76 M left on his deal) and while he won’t be a straight salary dump the level of prospect(s) should be lessened due to the money still due to him, he’s only 32 and having his best season since his steroid days, so he could hold down LF until Benintendi is ready, and be a younger and less expensive solution to replacing Big Papi at DH than either of Bautista or Encarnacion for the next 4 years (I for one have my doubts that Bautista will continue to produce as Papi has as he approaches 40 yo).
-Get healthy, the bench will be much better when Holt, Young, Rutledge are healthy, and when Swihart returns pencil him into the 9 spot in the order 4 or 5 days a week as the starting catcher, I was in favor of Vazquez being the starting catcher on o team that was going to win games with solid pitching and defense, but I have not seen anywhere near the same impact on the defensive side from Vazquez as when he was called up 2 years ago. Swihart fits the offensive profile, impacts the game on the basepaths, and catches well enough (don’t make him catch Wright though).
So Lovullo’s lineup would look something like this: 1) Betts RF 2) Pedroia 2B 3) Bogaerts SS 4) Ortiz DH 5) Braun LF 6) Bradley CF 7) Ramirez 1B 8) Shaw 3B 9) Swihart C Bench – Holt Bench – Young Bench – Vazquez, Hanigan or Leon
I feel like this lineup makes the playoffs regardless of whether the pitching improves or not, add an arm or two in the bullpen, and hope Rodriguez and/or Buchholz take a step or three forward and it could be a team capable of winning playoff series’.
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Post by dmaineah on Jun 24, 2016 9:43:43 GMT -5
How do you improve the Red Sox?
Call up Bryce Brentz!
Finally, he's healthy when they need an OF.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 24, 2016 9:59:20 GMT -5
How do you improve the Red Sox? Call up Bryce Brentz! Finally, he's healthy when they need an OF. There is a reason why LaMarre was promoted over Brentz, he was outperforming him by a significant margin. I’m not saying it isn’t worth giving Brentz a shot, but he hasn’t done anything to make anyone have any confidence that he will help any more than LaMarre has.
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Post by nomar on Jun 24, 2016 10:46:11 GMT -5
1) Call up Benintendi. Trial by fire.
2) Hope he catches the magical rookie hot streak
3) send him back down when Young comes back
4) he rakes in AA/AAA
5) call him up for the playoffs
6) Live happy ever after
Or we can just watch Brentz and Lamarre embarrass themselves.
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Post by ryantoworkman on Jun 24, 2016 10:46:40 GMT -5
Bowden reporting very active discussions between Sox and Braves with Teheran and Vizciano as targets. Bownden, Duque the and Ferris all said no Moncada, but certainly Benintendi and a few more lower rated guys
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Post by nomar on Jun 24, 2016 10:50:54 GMT -5
Bowden reporting very active discussions between Sox and Braves with Teheran and Vizciano as targets. Bownden, Duque the and Ferris all said no Moncada, but certainly Benintendi and a few more lower rated guys That would be awful. Teheran would basically give us what Miley did at 1000% of the cost. Luckily, Bowden is always wrong and I can take solace in the probable fact that this isn't true.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 24, 2016 11:30:37 GMT -5
Rutledge's tendonitis is apparently severe, which means he's out for a while, and his spot on the bench was already a potential upgrade. No excuse for not upgrading Marrero to Danny Valencia, Martin Pardo, or Aaron Hill right now.
With Holt already rehabbing, there's a little less urgency for LF, but it's worth remembering that whoever they get ultimately replaces Swihart on the roster and is hence an upgrade over Marco Hernandez for the time being, which is going to be a long time. And Josh Reddick is on rehab and is due back on Monday.
Assuming he looks good, I want him and Valencia in Sox unis within the next week. Upgrade your actual weaknesses.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 24, 2016 11:33:45 GMT -5
Bowden reporting very active discussions between Sox and Braves with Teheran and Vizciano as targets. Bownden, Duque the and Ferris all said no Moncada, but certainly Benintendi and a few more lower rated guys So Benintendi for both of them would make sense but not in a package for one or the other. You don't trade position players with his projection for number 3 starters or relievers.
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Post by nomar on Jun 24, 2016 11:38:30 GMT -5
Rutledge's tendonitis is apparently severe, which means he's out for a while, and his spot on the bench was already a potential upgrade. No excuse for not upgrading Marrero to Danny Valencia, Martin Pardo, or Aaron Hill right now. With Holt already rehabbing, there's a little less urgency for LF, but it's worth remembering that whoever they get ultimately replaces Swihart on the roster and is hence an upgrade over Marco Hernandez for the time being, which is going to be a long time. And Josh Reddick is on rehab and is due back on Monday. Assuming he looks good, I want him and Valencia in Sox unis within the next week. Upgrade your actual weaknesses. Valencia and Reddick would be nice, Hill would probably be the cheapest.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 24, 2016 12:04:53 GMT -5
Rutledge's tendonitis is apparently severe, which means he's out for a while, and his spot on the bench was already a potential upgrade. No excuse for not upgrading Marrero to Danny Valencia, Martin Pardo, or Aaron Hill right now. With Holt already rehabbing, there's a little less urgency for LF, but it's worth remembering that whoever they get ultimately replaces Swihart on the roster and is hence an upgrade over Marco Hernandez for the time being, which is going to be a long time. And Josh Reddick is on rehab and is due back on Monday. Assuming he looks good, I want him and Valencia in Sox unis within the next week. Upgrade your actual weaknesses. Valencia and Reddick would be nice, Hill would probably be the cheapest. Your DD on the phone with Billy....What would you give up for all 3?
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Post by ryantoworkman on Jun 24, 2016 12:22:19 GMT -5
Bowden reporting very active discussions between Sox and Braves with Teheran and Vizciano as targets. Bownden, Duque the and Ferris all said no Moncada, but certainly Benintendi and a few more lower rated guys So Benintendi for both of them would make sense but not in a package for one or the other. You don't trade position players with his projection for number 3 starters or relievers. I'm just passing along comments. Never offered an opinion on the report. I can see the Braves, using old school stats, seeing more value in Teheran, than might the Sox. I've seen Teheran as an NL starter, and have wondered if they might need a guy like him to get the guy they want? Repackaging Teheran for a guy like Fernandez? The Marlins are looking for arms, but are reported to not be offering anything from the ML roster. The problem is they have little to deal in the minors. Perhaps they could be enticed by a two for one offer? Perhaps something as follows: Benintendi and 3 prospects between 10 and 20 for Teheran and Vizciano. Teheran, EdRod, Elias and Dubon for Fernandez? Miami gets 2, possibly 3 starters in the deal, and a good SS prospect for 1 starter. Their rotation would be Chen, Teheran, EdRod, Elias and Koehler, or Conley. As opposed to Fernandez, Chen, Koehler, Conley and the best of the rest. It would be a gamble, but they would upgrade 3 rotation slots while losing ground on the #1 slot. That statement assumes Elias an upgrade over Koehler and Conley, and that is debateable. Sox would be Price, Fernandez, Wright, Porcello, Buchholz The bullpen would be Kimbrell, Vizciano, Kelly, Tazawa, Ross, Layne and Hembree. Koji can try to find what's missing on AAA rehab, as can Barnes.
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Post by bosox81 on Jun 24, 2016 12:30:15 GMT -5
Bowden reporting very active discussions between Sox and Braves with Teheran and Vizciano as targets. Bownden, Duque the and Ferris all said no Moncada, but certainly Benintendi and a few more lower rated guys We riot.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 24, 2016 12:37:22 GMT -5
So Benintendi for both of them would make sense but not in a package for one or the other. You don't trade position players with his projection for number 3 starters or relievers. I'm just passing along comments. Never offered an opinion on the report.I can see the Braves, using old school stats, seeing more value in Teheran, than might the Sox. I've seen Teheran as an NL starter, and have wondered if they might need a guy like him to get the guy they want? Repackaging Teheran for a guy like Fernandez? The Marlins are looking for arms, but are reported to not be offering anything from the ML roster. The problem is they have little to deal in the minors. Perhaps they could be enticed by a two for one offer? Perhaps something as follows: Benintendi and 3 prospects between 10 and 20 for Teheran and Vizciano. Teheran, EdRod, Elias and Dubon for Fernandez? Miami gets 2, possibly 3 starters in the deal, and a good SS prospect for 1 starter. Their rotation would be Chen, Teheran, EdRod, Elias and Koehler, or Conley. As opposed to Fernandez, Chen, Koehler, Conley and the best of the rest. It would be a gamble, but they would upgrade 3 rotation slots while losing ground on the #1 slot. That statement assumes Elias an upgrade over Koehler and Conley, and that is debateable. Sox would be Price, Fernandez, Wright, Porcello, Buchholz The bullpen would be Kimbrell, Vizciano, Kelly, Tazawa, Ross, Layne and Hembree. Koji can try to find what's missing on AAA rehab, as can Barnes. Oh, this wasn't directed at you. It was Bowden. There's a reason he's not employed as a GM anymore. Ditto Steve Philips.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 24, 2016 12:39:33 GMT -5
How do you improve the Red Sox? Call up Bryce Brentz! Finally, he's healthy when they need an OF. Your wish has been granted.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 24, 2016 12:44:03 GMT -5
Obviously the Teheran/Vizcaino rumors are the closest thing to a "quick fix". Maybe they expand it and the Red Sox get the pleasure of Nick Markakis over the rest of his contract to help make up for the loss of Benintendi. The Braves would also want a top pitching prospect so you're talking either Espinoza or Kopech.
I really think the Sox will wind up making this type of move and most (maybe all?) of us are going to wind up unhappy and the Sox will say, we got young established talent, so look at what we did. Meanwhile, we'll be eating our hearts out watching the Braves kick butt next decade with their base of talent.
And we might look back at what the Sox got for Lester and Lackey and wonder how the heck it is that the Braves were able to turn Miller and Teheran into what they wind up getting and we didn't do anywhere near as well.
All I can say is I hope that E-Rod pitches lights out over the next month and prevents this from happening, but with Frank Wren aboard, I have a feeling that this is going to come to fruition and if it does I will not be a happy camper.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 24, 2016 12:44:17 GMT -5
It seems DD has one shot at a trade either with Oakland or Atlanta (at this point anyway). Do you go after Hill/Valencia/Reddick or Teheran/Vizciano. He doesn't have enough bullets for multiple trades.
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