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Post by burythehammer on Jun 12, 2016 16:43:49 GMT -5
Sorry guys. I am officially off the Matt Barnes bandwagon. DFA. See you after the All-Star Break. If he threw 94 with the exact same results he would've been demoted a month ago.
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Post by klostrophobic on Jun 12, 2016 16:44:03 GMT -5
Nice 0-2 pitch. Is that Farrell's fault? Right down the middle. Barnes is completely incapable of pitching in any big spot. But in truth, the game was lost when he walked Joe Mauer to start the inning. Well, yeah it's his fault. Matt Barnes shouldn't pitch the highest leverage at bat of the game when you have Craig Kimbrel in your bullpen.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 12, 2016 16:44:38 GMT -5
Kimbrel has health issues. Let's wait to see why he wasn't used before we go all pitchforkyv
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2016 16:44:48 GMT -5
Dombrowski lost this one. Pitching Staff sux and no moves have been made. Barnes Kelly Bucholz Hembree are not the answer. Time to make roster moves. Embarrassment I wonder what the roster would look like if you're in charge demanding roster changes after every loss.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 12, 2016 16:44:52 GMT -5
THE RED SOX LOST!! I FEEL RAGE! WHO CAN I SINGLE OUT AS A SCAPEGOAT?!?!
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 12, 2016 16:45:13 GMT -5
I feel like we've given up a bunch of HR's to guys batting below or slightly above .200. Didn't the guy on the Giants win the game with a HR off a Price and an average around the Mendoza line?
Oh well, we were playing with house money anyway because we were supposed to lose in 9. I'm still happy that Porcello pitched well and that even though we were left for dead by the 8th inning, we didn't give up and made a game of it. Hell, we've almost been no hit a couple of times recently and we still almost tied the game against Estrada and Toronto. We haven't had a lot of games where we can stop watching in the 3rd inning, especially with our 5th starter not having to work in a while.
Eh, but people will always find something to complain about. There's a bright side to everything, you just have to look for it.
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 12, 2016 16:45:21 GMT -5
Kimbrel should have been in to start the inning. I thought Farrell didn't believe in that saving your closer BS. Pathetic.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 12, 2016 16:45:26 GMT -5
Kimbrel has health issues. Let's wait to see why he wasn't used before we go all pitchforkyv
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 12, 2016 16:45:39 GMT -5
THE RED SOX LOST!! I FEEL RAGE! WHO CAN I SINGLE OUT AS A SCAPEGOAT?!?! John Farrell.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 12, 2016 16:45:47 GMT -5
Nice 0-2 pitch. Is that Farrell's fault? Right down the middle. Barnes is completely incapable of pitching in any big spot. But in truth, the game was lost when he walked Joe Mauer to start the inning. Your right
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2016 16:45:56 GMT -5
THE RED SOX LOST!! I FEEL RAGE! WHO CAN I SINGLE OUT AS A SCAPEGOAT?!?! Losses are unacceptable. Trade everyone.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jun 12, 2016 16:46:02 GMT -5
Additionally, why the bleep aren't we walking the hitter after we let Dozier take second uncontested?
There is no threat of a big inning there at that point. Just put the runner on and let there be a force at every base.
Then again, not that it would have mattered with Matt Barnes throwing the ball right down the middle.
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 12, 2016 16:46:08 GMT -5
Just idiotic to have Barnes over Kimbrel in there.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 12, 2016 16:47:21 GMT -5
Sorry guys. I am officially off the Matt Barnes bandwagon. DFA. See you after the All-Star Break. Barnes is a serviceable reliever - the Barnes haters on here are weirdos. But he shouldn't have been brought in before Kimbrel. Just dreadful managing yet again. 18 walks in 26 IP That's exceptable for a reliever ?
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 12, 2016 16:48:38 GMT -5
Barnes is a serviceable reliever - the Barnes haters on here are weirdos. But he shouldn't have been brought in before Kimbrel. Just dreadful managing yet again. 18 walks in 26 IP That's exceptable for a reliever ? It's not, but he's better than the alternatives. He shouldn't be used in big spots till everyone else has been, though.
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Post by bosox89 on Jun 12, 2016 16:48:54 GMT -5
Hey, we're tied for first place. Unfortunately. Think I would have preferred that Baltimore beat Toronto today.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 12, 2016 16:50:49 GMT -5
Dombrowski lost this one. Pitching Staff sux and no moves have been made. Barnes Kelly Bucholz Hembree are not the answer. Time to make roster moves. Embarrassment I wonder what the roster would look like if you're in charge demanding roster changes after every loss. Your one to talk. Calling for Farrell's head all season. I'm not defending Farrell, but the options he has other than Taz Koji or Kimbrell are career MiL arms at best. Make a move
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 12, 2016 16:54:03 GMT -5
18 walks in 26 IP That's exceptable for a reliever ? I have 17 walks in 29.2 innings. (And acceptable) Realistically though, with all of the pitching options that haven't been up to par, Smith being injured, Koji/Tazawa out of the game, and Hembree throwing 29 pitches yesterday, there aren't too many other options. Yes, Ross/Kimbrel may have been better choices at the time, I won't deny that, but what about the roster? Do you have a better option for our team? Do we promote someone from AAA or trade prospects for a better reliever?
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Post by beantown on Jun 12, 2016 16:54:32 GMT -5
As soon as that man gets to 2nd base, you bring in Kimbrel. And then, 1st and 3rd with one out and you desperately need the K ... I mean seriously, can anyone envision someone like Showalter or Maddon leaving Barnes in there? Sorry but that's just inexcusable.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2016 16:54:33 GMT -5
I wonder what the roster would look like if you're in charge demanding roster changes after every loss. Your one to talk. Calling for Farrell's head all season. I'm not defending Farrell, but the options he has other than Taz Koji or Kimbrell are career ML arms at best. Make a move All I've asked for is to replace Farrell with Lovullo. Just one move. That won't cost us all of our prospects. I'm not sure what you expect out of a bullpen. Ross is also very good and most 5th options aren't better than Hembree. Barnes isn't terrible as a mop up guy either, but the problem is Farrell using him against the heart of the order in extra innings with better options available. And PS. - teams aren't trading decent players right now. Screaming to make trades is dumb.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 12, 2016 16:56:04 GMT -5
You use your best reliever against the heart of their order. Our 5-7 were due up the next inning too. #rocketscience.
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 12, 2016 16:57:56 GMT -5
The bullpen isn't in desperate need of a move. Yeah, Carson Smith or someone on his level would have been an incredible asset, but we have several serviceable guys. The issue today was that JF refused to go to Kimbrel, who hadn't been used in 5 days. Ross would have been a better option as well, but god forbid we use him a second straight day after using him 2 other times all month. Part of me thinks JF considers Barnes a better pitcher than Ross. Maybe it's because he had a better ERA coming into today...
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Post by jmei on Jun 12, 2016 16:58:01 GMT -5
Kimbrel has health issues. Let's wait to see why he wasn't used before we go all pitchforkyv He was warming in the bullpen, which means he was presumably available (and he was even already warmed up and everything). The save stat has done incredible damage in inhibiting smart, strategic bullpen usage. That's not entirely on Farrell (I think a significant proportion of major league managers don't go to their closer there), but he's certainly part of the problem.
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Post by jmei on Jun 12, 2016 16:59:38 GMT -5
I'm not defending Farrell, but the options he has other than Taz Koji or Kimbrell are career MiL arms at best. Absolutely not true. Both Ross and Hembree have been above-average relievers this season and have decent track records of success.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2016 17:01:21 GMT -5
I don't complain as much about not bringing Kimbrel in with runners on 2nd and 3rd as I complain that he didn't start the 10th inning clean. You always should give Kimbrel a clean inning. That was the heart of the order, so you pitch him there and let someone else get the save later if you're still playing.
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