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6/27-6/29 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 27, 2016 21:31:55 GMT -5
I live in the Chicago area and some here, including media guys, are ready to trade Schwarber for Chapman. I don't think Theo is that stupid, but I'd happily offer Kimbrel for Schwarber. I would probably trade any pitcher on the 25 man roster, and maybe EVERY pitcher on the 25 man roster, for Schwarber. Except Steven Wright.
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Post by malynn19 on Jun 27, 2016 21:35:24 GMT -5
Why is Kimbrel in this game?
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 27, 2016 21:36:16 GMT -5
Kimbrel is now in this game? Uh, interesting... He hasn't pitched since the 23rd. Same with Tazawa. I think I'd shut down Uehara until the All-Star break. Either he's fatigued or he's toast. He's basically been giving up a homer a week since mid-May, which is pretty bad when you're sitting at around three innings per week. Robbie Ross probably could've gone more than 22 pitches tonight. EDIT: To go on, tonight was a pretty good example of what frustrates me so much with John Farrell. He obviously didn't lose this game for the Sox - they got crushed, John McGraw wouldn't have made a difference. And each of his pitcher decisions could, individually, be defensible. But taking a step back, he burned through five pitchers in an already fatigued bullpen on a night when they basically had no chance to win. That's awful.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 27, 2016 21:49:13 GMT -5
“@peteabe: #RedSox are holding a team meeting.”
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 27, 2016 21:51:22 GMT -5
Farrell needs to go and take Willis with him.
Kimbrell Koji 25 plus pitches in a blowout.
Who closes tomorrow, mickey mouse?
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 27, 2016 21:54:40 GMT -5
If baseball is like jobs I've had, this should go something like: "Hey pitchers? Instead of giving up nine runs in the first three innings every night, maybe don't do that anymore. Okay well I think we all accomplished a lot and we've cleared up a lot of things. Remember that tomorrow is irreverent tie day, so feel free to go crazy."
Or it could be like the one job I had where the CEO basically told us we were all lucky to have jobs. Which I suppose was probably true in the greater cosmic or geopolitical sense, but frankly didn't do a ton for morale.
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Post by trotfan on Jun 27, 2016 21:58:10 GMT -5
After tonite the team needs to be sellers with an eye on pitching it's that simple.. I really like the outfield with Bryce,JBJ,Mookie ...I would trade Hanley,kojii,Taz,Lyne ,Buck,Porch......I would like to see Price ,Fernandez ,Wright , as your top 3 going forward ...keep Kimbrell as closer I would like to see Moncada at 3rd and Swihart as the primary catcher Yes I would trade Vaz ....Pedey needs to either be traded or moved way down in the order.....KEEP Brock as utility .Carson will be back next year .Papi may come back I give it 85 percent chance if the right moves are made ...pay the man what he wants .
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 27, 2016 22:00:28 GMT -5
I honestly think they should wait to the deadline and if they're out of it by then, that one player wouldnt have saved them anyway.
Hell, by then there could be a ten game losing streak and they could at least pawn off Tazawa.
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Post by trotfan on Jun 27, 2016 22:03:57 GMT -5
“@peteabe: #RedSox are holding a team meeting.” I think Farrell should step down .
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Post by bosox on Jun 27, 2016 22:08:15 GMT -5
I honestly think they should wait to the deadline and if they're out of it by then, that one player wouldnt have saved them anyway. Hell, by then there could be a ten game losing streak and they could at least pawn off Tazawa. Agreed. If starting pitching is what you need, given the current demand and short supply, I'm guessing the price is quite high even for mid-to-end of rotation guys.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 27, 2016 22:22:07 GMT -5
After tonite the team needs to be sellers with an eye on pitching it's that simple.. I really like the outfield with Bryce,JBJ,Mookie ...I would trade Hanley,kojii,Taz,Lyne ,Buck,Porch......I would like to see Price ,Fernandez ,Wright , as your top 3 going forward ...keep Kimbrell as closer I would like to see Moncada at 3rd and Swihart as the primary catcher Yes I would trade Vaz ....Pedey needs to either be traded or moved way down in the order.....KEEP Brock as utility .Carson will be back next year .Papi may come back I give it 85 percent chance if the right moves are made ...pay the man what he wants . It's time for you to get off of Fantasy Island. Fernandez is NOT being dealt this year. The Marlins' record is as good as the Red Sox. They aren't dealing away their best player. What do you think you'd actually get in a trade for Hanley, Koji, Taz, Layne, Buchholz, and Porcello? I'll give you a hint. Not much. Moncada has yet to play 3b in the minors yet you're looking to plug him in now? And you really think Bryce Brentz, at age 27 with middling AAA stats, is a keeper? Pedey is almost a 10-5 guy. He might be one now and darn close. They're not trading him, and they soon won't be able to even if they wanted to. And Big Papi ISN'T coming back next season. He's retiring. He's playing in severe pain. But if you want to keep living in Fantasy Island go for it. It's not like the reality the Red Sox are facing right now is much fun.
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Post by bosox on Jun 27, 2016 22:32:13 GMT -5
As someone mentioned the other night, I'm really surprised Willis is still around. The pitching has been awful and not for just one bad stretch.
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Post by cfnn on Jun 27, 2016 22:57:52 GMT -5
You're going to blame Willis for this? How about blame Ben Cherrington jerkface GM? He screwed up.
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Post by trotfan on Jun 27, 2016 22:59:33 GMT -5
Fantasy island was awesome!! But you seem to misunderstand my allotted players up for trade ...All the above should be on the block .I was giving you best case scenario with Miami falling out and the Redsox making a push for a trade ...and yes Miami would deal Fernandez in my opinion but like you pointed out it would have to be a mix of veteran and prospects .Devers ,Vaz,shaw,Owens ,Kelly ,Buch for Fernandez would get the ball rolling would it not ?
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Post by cfnn on Jun 27, 2016 23:05:38 GMT -5
After tonite the team needs to be sellers with an eye on pitching it's that simple.. I really like the outfield with Bryce,JBJ,Mookie ...I would trade Hanley,kojii,Taz,Lyne ,Buck,Porch......I would like to see Price ,Fernandez ,Wright , as your top 3 going forward ...keep Kimbrell as closer I would like to see Moncada at 3rd and Swihart as the primary catcher Yes I would trade Vaz ....Pedey needs to either be traded or moved way down in the order.....KEEP Brock as utility .Carson will be back next year .Papi may come back I give it 85 percent chance if the right moves are made ...pay the man what he wants . Clay Bucholz has no trade value right now. Porcello is good, but nobody wants that contract. I guess Taz could be traded. Kojii has to start pitching better before anyone wants him. No one is touching Hanley's contract.
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Post by thursty on Jun 27, 2016 23:08:33 GMT -5
Rodriguez's game score ==> -5
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Post by radiohix on Jun 27, 2016 23:26:03 GMT -5
The Rays lost 11 in a row, you know these streaks will has come to an end. The Jays lost to the Rockies tonight (Lost 6 of their last 8) they're the only threat in the division IMHO. The Orioles? Their pitching is worst than ours and some of their players, Trumbo particulary, are playing way over their head and they'll come down to earth at some point. Eduardo Rodriguez came to us because he was slumping really bad with Bowie,the O's AA affiliate, with 4.79 ERA in 82.2 IP, part of that was pitch selection (They wanted him to use his breaking ball more) and part of it was that he started the season on the DL with with a knee injury. He'll be fine after 3 or 4 starts in AAA. We're hitting the soft part of our schedule, let's see what we have after that before panicking. PS: Just get rid of that dreadlocked clown playing 1st base.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jun 28, 2016 0:01:40 GMT -5
If you really want to improve the Red Sox, the first thing that needs to be done is recognize that the team is operating under a deeply flawed model: enetering each season believing that "worst to first" is a reasonable objective is insane.
The 2016 Red Sox are incrementally better than the 2015 Red Sox. Despite a rough June, it is still highly probable that this is one of the five best teams in the AL, meaning they will be in the playoffs.
When you look at the state of this team following the 2011 season, it is stunning to think that this team has (a) won a World Series, (b) built a team that, despite some problems leads the league in run differential and (c) has a top five farm system. Yet the Boston media (and much of its fan base and possibly even the team's owner and GM) acts as if the team was in danger of being a major disaster.
It seems to me the biggest problem with this team is inordinate number of bad decisions and possibly the excessive pressure on young players required to sustain an irrational model.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 28, 2016 0:17:36 GMT -5
After tonite the team needs to be sellers with an eye on pitching it's that simple.. I really like the outfield with Bryce,JBJ,Mookie ...I would trade Hanley,kojii,Taz,Lyne ,Buck,Porch......I would like to see Price ,Fernandez ,Wright , as your top 3 going forward ...keep Kimbrell as closer I would like to see Moncada at 3rd and Swihart as the primary catcher Yes I would trade Vaz ....Pedey needs to either be traded or moved way down in the order.....KEEP Brock as utility .Carson will be back next year .Papi may come back I give it 85 percent chance if the right moves are made ...pay the man what he wants . It's time for you to get off of Fantasy Island. Fernandez is NOT being dealt this year. The Marlins' record is as good as the Red Sox. They aren't dealing away their best player. What do you think you'd actually get in a trade for Hanley, Koji, Taz, Layne, Buchholz, and Porcello? I'll give you a hint. Not much. Moncada has yet to play 3b in the minors yet you're looking to plug him in now? And you really think Bryce Brentz, at age 27 with middling AAA stats, is a keeper? Pedey is almost a 10-5 guy. He might be one now and darn close. They're not trading him, and they soon won't be able to even if they wanted to. And Big Papi ISN'T coming back next season. He's retiring. He's playing in severe pain. But if you want to keep living in Fantasy Island go for it. It's not like the reality the Red Sox are facing right now is much fun. Well said. Its not time to panic. We defiantly have holes and are in a major funk, but its not time to throw in the towel. We need to get some guys back off the DL, The bullpen needs some shuffling and we need at least 1 starter, but all is not lost. There top 6 in the order are still good, we have 3 reasonably good/reliable pitchers and a top notch closer. Its just that the depth after that has been downright terrible, especially of late. But we are still 6 games over .500, in line for a WC game and still ahead of the Jays. The Rays and Yanks are not good at all and the Jays and Orioles have similar issues to the Sox. Cant argue tho that we may need a manager change. This team reminds me of the Penguins in December. Middleing and underachieving. Change of coach and a could transactions and completely different results.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2016 6:42:03 GMT -5
If baseball is like jobs I've had, this should go something like: "Hey pitchers? Instead of giving up nine runs in the first three innings every night, maybe don't do that anymore. Okay well I think we all accomplished a lot and we've cleared up a lot of things. Remember that tomorrow is irreverent tie day, so feel free to go crazy." Or it could be like the one job I had where the CEO basically told us we were all lucky to have jobs. Which I suppose was probably true in the greater cosmic or geopolitical sense, but frankly didn't do a ton for morale. Or it could be like one I had: '"You, you, you and you - security will escort you to your desk, watch you as you box up your personal belongings, and hand you your severance check as you turn in your credentials and exit the property."
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Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2016 6:45:48 GMT -5
More than anything it's gut check time. Not like these guys aren't trying but something's amiss. They either right it as a team or they drop like a rock. Again.
We're about to see the quality of this team's character, good or bad.
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Post by bosox81 on Jun 28, 2016 7:19:03 GMT -5
Sometimes the team can do no wrong bringing in the likes of Kason Gabbard on the way to a championship and sometimes you bring ten different pitchers and they all pitch like Clay Buchholz. So is baseball.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 28, 2016 7:43:37 GMT -5
Have I mentioned that this team is putrid?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 28, 2016 8:12:23 GMT -5
Sometimes the team can do no wrong bringing in the likes of Kason Gabbard on the way to a championship and sometimes you bring ten different pitchers and they all pitch like Clay Buchholz. So is baseball. It really is remarkable how nearly every non-knuckleball starter on the MLB depth chart has hit their 10% projection this year.
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Post by mandelbro on Jun 28, 2016 9:05:48 GMT -5
How was Marco H. at third base? He looked awkward at second when I saw him there.
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