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Bowden: Bogaerts, Barnes, Jacobs for J Upton
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Post by Guidas on Dec 27, 2012 11:28:09 GMT -5
Why couldn't Jim Bowden be running the Yankees or Tampa. At least then the Sox would have a better chance of winning the AL East: insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/Excerpt: The D-backs have made it clear they are willing to move Upton in the right deal, and after acquiring Didi Gregorius in the Trevor Bauer deal, they still need a long-term answer at third. Although Bogaerts is a shortstop now, many think he will outgrow the position and end up at third, where his power will play. Matt Barnes would give them a solid starting pitching prospect who would fill the inventory void left after the Bauer deal, while Jacobs would give them a decent outfield prospect back as well.
The Red Sox would then have an outfield of Upton, Jacoby Ellsbury and Shane Victorino with Jonny Gomes as a fourth outfielder and part-time DH. It would also prepare the Sox for the eventual loss of Ellsbury at the end of this year when he is expected to depart via free agency. Apparently the sage Jimmy B doesn't have any faith in JBjr. Anyway, don't we all need a good laugh to close 2012? Have at it Norbito. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 27, 2012 11:35:35 GMT -5
If BC did that I would immediately call for his firing.
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Post by remember04 on Dec 27, 2012 11:50:22 GMT -5
Wrong Upton so moving right along......
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Post by sdiaz1 on Dec 27, 2012 11:50:57 GMT -5
First: He is talking about Justin Upton, you know the guy who just turned 25 and the season before was a 6.5 win player.
Second : Though I think Bowden says some really dumb things, That is not in any way or shape a bad deal. Hell, the D-Backs may want even more than that. I am not advocating that we make that kind of deal, or even that I would personally like it (like many people here, I have never been more excited about a prospect than Xander) but aquiring a 25 year old quasi-superstar for a top 15 prospect, a top 50ish prospect, and a guy who is like a top 150 prospect in MLB is actually a underpay.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 27, 2012 11:53:01 GMT -5
Acht - I thought Justin, wrote BJ. Too much egg nog. Must put down cookies...
Added: I believe the FO's valuation of Bogaerts - who they see as a future all star - and Barnes, who they project with a top end of a #2 starter, precludes this deal. One or the other with some other bright lights (Bradley, Webster, etc) might get it done, but I don't think we'd see Barnes and Bogaerts packaged in a deal unless you're getting a bonafide #1 starter back (which would mean 3-4 other prospects going out the door, as well).
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Post by remember04 on Dec 27, 2012 12:06:00 GMT -5
My problem with this is that the Sox are in my opinion too far off right now. If we needed the one piece then go for it but we aren't Toronto.....yet. Not a perfect example but we'd be trading three nickels for a dime and we need the nickels more.
And Guidas, that's what you get for not sharing any egg nog with me
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 27, 2012 12:30:29 GMT -5
The moral of this story is that Jim Bowden has been fired twice.
I don't generally like to pile on the anti-ESPN bandwagon. They produce so much content that some of it is bound to be subpar, and people go insane every time Rick Sutcliffe or someone says something silly like Jeff Samardzija is better than Clayton Kershaw (not sure if he's actually said this, but he has a major Samardzija crush). But it's always important to look at context. Bowden is an ex-GM, yes, but he's an ex-GM who was adamant about not including Pokey Reese in the deal that was going to bring him 29-year-old Ken Griffey, Jr.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 27, 2012 12:32:30 GMT -5
Nevermind
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Post by elguapo on Dec 27, 2012 12:44:45 GMT -5
[You are underselling JBJ. Brandon Jacobs. |
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 27, 2012 12:46:46 GMT -5
After reading the comments, I guess mine will upset some of you. I wouldn't trade Xander straight up for Upton!
I feel the X-man will produce every bit as much as Upton has shown and more over the next few years. He also plays a premium position.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 27, 2012 12:50:27 GMT -5
Let them be mad man!! Let them be mad!!!
I'm here to protect you Xander.
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Post by jmei on Dec 27, 2012 13:03:40 GMT -5
So, yeah, considering this is wholly speculative, I've moved it to the trade proposal subforum. Have at it.
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Post by hammerhead on Dec 27, 2012 14:06:52 GMT -5
I along with probably many others on this site have a (borderline) unnatural man-crush on X.
There are very few players I would trade X for who are not named Felix. In fact I'd have to think long and hard about even trading X for a similar stud prospect like Wil Myers.
I know that it's not rational and maybe even a detrimental attitude, but the imagination of what X becomes in all of our minds blows away what a player like Upton is.
That being said, I don't see Ben C. doing a deal like this. X has the tools to be what Upton is right now if he were moved to the outfield and given a shot. He also has the potential to flame out, but thats neither here nor there. The trade is what those in the Biz refer to as a "non-starter." The sox need quality and quantity to throw at the wall and hopefully get a few useful pieces and starters as opposed to one high level current major leaguer.
I would however think about doing a WMB for Upton deal if the team were in a full rebuild. My assumption would be that either X or Cecchini could replace WMB at 3rd. Not saying I make that trade or that Arizona would even except it, but that's more along the lines of what I'd be willing to do....
Xander is as close to untouchable as you can get in my opinion. Only in the extreme rare circumstance would i trade him.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 27, 2012 14:13:33 GMT -5
[You are underselling JBJ. Brandon Jacobs. My bad. I don't know how is misread that.  |
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Post by remember04 on Dec 27, 2012 15:08:35 GMT -5
Honest question, why does Arizona want to trade him?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2012 15:17:25 GMT -5
Upton had a down year compared to 2011. Why would be give up two future cornerstone players and another good prospect for him? Our outfield is full right now anyway. It's better that the sox rebuild their team with the farm system.
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Post by patrmac04 on Dec 27, 2012 16:57:39 GMT -5
Honest question, why does Arizona want to trade him? Because he is a major league a-hole... seriously, if a team has been in rumors for years about trading a baseball star that young then you have an HR problem... not a talent problem. The warning flags + astronomical asking price is a big no. |
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Post by patrmac04 on Dec 27, 2012 16:58:44 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 27, 2012 17:43:05 GMT -5
Honest question, why does Arizona want to trade him? They apparently don't want to trade him that much because Towers has been dangling him for like two years now and nothing has happened. |
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Post by nomar on Dec 28, 2012 2:09:35 GMT -5
Id rather give Middlebrooks who would fill a hole for AZ.
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Post by marrcus on Dec 28, 2012 2:50:20 GMT -5
He also plays a premium position.
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For how long: Would it shock anyone here to see X at DH (eventually)? I would think AZ would worry about a position?
"Id rather give Middlebrooks who would fill a hole for AZ."
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I would too. And I like WMB but .......
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Post by honkbal on Dec 28, 2012 10:15:03 GMT -5
He also plays a premium position. --------------------------------------------------- For how long: Would it shock anyone here to see X at DH (eventually)? I would think AZ would worry about a position? Eventually, as in when he is 38, sure. But he is a SS right now. He's got quite a few positions to fall back to if that doesn't work out. |
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Post by mainesox on Dec 28, 2012 12:40:49 GMT -5
Would it shock anyone here to see X at DH (eventually)? I would think AZ would worry about a position? I would be extremely shocked to see him end up as a DH any time in the next 15 years. |
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Post by jdb on Dec 29, 2012 10:21:10 GMT -5
Id rather give Middlebrooks who would fill a hole for AZ. Not me. that would open a much bigger hole at 3B. Say if Cechini comes on or Iglesias bat comes alive and X goes to 3B I could see WMBs traded. Just a bad time to have a 3B hole. If he is I'm hoping it's for a big piece of the puzzle. A Price or Stanton. |
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Post by larrycook on Dec 29, 2012 12:25:59 GMT -5
Unfortunately this trade does not solve our giant need for a top of the rotation stater.
If we are giving up a Barnes and Boegarts, you would hope it would include a top of the rotation starter.
I still think the one chip we desperately need to be serious contenders this year is an ace who can dominate once every five days.
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