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hank
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Post by hank on Jun 28, 2016 9:04:09 GMT -5
Get your votes and takes in early
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nomar
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Post by nomar on Jun 28, 2016 9:20:28 GMT -5
Marginal buyers IMO. I don't think we need to go all in and buy, but there are plenty of cheap adds out there that could help this team.
Unless some great steal presents itself, I wouldn't want to trade any of Benintendi, Moncada, Espinoza, or Devers. Kopech and Ockimey are also guys I would prefer to keep because we need organizational depth in pitching and Ockimey's value likely isn't at its peak right now.
I would also prefer to try to get rid of Hanley even if that means acquiring another 1B at the deadline.
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Post by dmaineah on Jun 28, 2016 10:11:12 GMT -5
They should be both buyers & sellers.
Sell;
Hanley Ramirez Clay Buchholz Koji Uehara Robbie Ross Tommy Layne Sandy Leon Ryan LaMarre Josh Rutledge Mike Miller
Plus whatever prospects that need to be included to get the deal done.
Buy;
2 Starting Pitchers - Chris Archer & Matt Harvey 3 Relief Pitchers (2 Left Handers & 1 Right Hander) - Sean Doolittle, Ryan Buchter & Jeremy Jeffress
There will not be a Starting Pitcher available to trade for that will be worth the cost come this seasons trade deadline. That's the conclusion I think Dombrowski will come to.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 28, 2016 11:05:17 GMT -5
They should be both buyers & sellers. Sell; Hanley Ramirez Clay Buchholz Koji Uehara Robbie Ross Tommy Layne Sandy Leon Ryan LaMarre Josh Rutledge Mike Miller Plus whatever prospects that need to be included to get the deal done. Buy; 2 Starting Pitchers - Chris Archer & Matt Harvey3 Relief Pitchers (2 Left Handers & 1 Right Hander) - Sean Doolittle, Ryan Buchter & Jeremy Jeffress There will not be a Starting Pitcher available to trade for that will be worth the cost come this seasons trade deadline. That's the conclusion I think Dombrowski will come to. These 2 guys would cost at least our top 5 or 6 prospects & then some. I agree with your "sells", it's just that they would not bring anything. What would you give up for Hanley & his contract? Koji? MILLER? LAYNE? ?
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Post by dmaineah on Jun 28, 2016 11:15:51 GMT -5
They should be both buyers & sellers. Sell; Hanley Ramirez Clay Buchholz Koji Uehara Robbie Ross Tommy Layne Sandy Leon Ryan LaMarre Josh Rutledge Mike Miller Plus whatever prospects that need to be included to get the deal done. Buy; 2 Starting Pitchers - Chris Archer & Matt Harvey3 Relief Pitchers (2 Left Handers & 1 Right Hander) - Sean Doolittle, Ryan Buchter & Jeremy Jeffress There will not be a Starting Pitcher available to trade for that will be worth the cost come this seasons trade deadline. That's the conclusion I think Dombrowski will come to. These 2 guys would cost at least our top 5 or 6 prospects & then some. I agree with your "sells", it's just that they would not bring anything. What would you give up for Hanley & his contract? Koji? MILLER? LAYNE? ? I'm fine with that. If trading Moncada, Benintendi, Espinoza, Devers, Travis & Kopech nets us Archer & Harvey count me in!
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Post by humanbeingbean on Jun 28, 2016 11:20:12 GMT -5
They should be both buyers & sellers. Sell; Hanley Ramirez Clay Buchholz Koji Uehara Robbie Ross Tommy Layne Sandy Leon Ryan LaMarre Josh Rutledge Mike Miller Plus whatever prospects that need to be included to get the deal done. Buy; 2 Starting Pitchers - Chris Archer & Matt Harvey 3 Relief Pitchers (2 Left Handers & 1 Right Hander) - Sean Doolittle, Ryan Buchter & Jeremy Jeffress There will not be a Starting Pitcher available to trade for that will be worth the cost come this seasons trade deadline. That's the conclusion I think Dombrowski will come to. That dang Mike Miller needs to get off our team.
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Post by larrycook on Jun 28, 2016 11:25:57 GMT -5
I think dombrowski is a buyer and specially a buyer of pitchers, relievers or starters.
He has shown over the years to not shy away from unloading prospects for proven talent,
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 28, 2016 11:43:28 GMT -5
I know it would be apocalyptical....and I am not endorsing...but JBJ has the most trade value on this team and could be a centerpiece for a 1 for 1 (or even the other team giving a piece - or blockbuster) with a stud pitcher on a team. With Benny and Moncada nearing the majors and a move with Mookie back to CF...it has to be considered.
The talent level between position player and pitching in this organization is to extreme to ignore.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 28, 2016 11:50:38 GMT -5
I would prefer they did nothing at the deadline instead of doing what I think they are going to do.
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nomar
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Post by nomar on Jun 28, 2016 11:52:37 GMT -5
I know it would be apocalyptical....and I am not endorsing...but JBJ has the most trade value on this team and could be a centerpiece for a 1 for 1 (or even the other team giving a piece - or blockbuster) with a stud pitcher on a team. With Benny and Moncada nearing the majors and a move with Mookie back to CF...it has to be considered. The talent level between position player and pitching in this organization is to extreme to ignore. JBJ is very valuable, but Bogaerts and Betts are definitely more valuable.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2016 12:18:08 GMT -5
This quickly turned into one dumb thread. Yeah, they're going to trade half the team and acquire a whole new one consisting of All-Stars.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 28, 2016 12:55:17 GMT -5
These 2 guys would cost at least our top 5 or 6 prospects & then some. I agree with your "sells", it's just that they would not bring anything. What would you give up for Hanley & his contract? Koji? MILLER? LAYNE? ? I'm fine with that. If trading Moncada, Benintendi, Espinoza, Devers, Travis & Kopech nets us Archer & Harvey count me in! Chris Archer is a good pitcher, high SO guy, young, controllable. He is not Jose Fernandez. I like Harvey, but even he scares me. IMO, Archer is maybe a tick better than Rick Porcello, only cheaper. Your deal would make Brian Johnson our #1 prospect. We would have literally no depth for years.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 28, 2016 14:21:28 GMT -5
This quickly turned into one dumb thread. Yeah, they're going to trade half the team and acquire a whole new one consisting of All-Stars. Amen 11 Games until the Break. Then its bye bye John and Mr.Willis
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 28, 2016 14:36:07 GMT -5
The best thing this team can do is fire Farrell. That's the best trade right now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2016 14:53:41 GMT -5
This quickly turned into one dumb thread. Yeah, they're going to trade half the team and acquire a whole new one consisting of All-Stars. Yup, apparently we have multiple people who hang out on Fantasy Island.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 28, 2016 14:57:00 GMT -5
They should be both buyers & sellers. Sell; Hanley Ramirez Clay Buchholz Koji Uehara Robbie Ross Tommy Layne Sandy Leon Ryan LaMarre Josh Rutledge Mike Miller Plus whatever prospects that need to be included to get the deal done. Buy; 2 Starting Pitchers - Chris Archer & Matt Harvey 3 Relief Pitchers (2 Left Handers & 1 Right Hander) - Sean Doolittle, Ryan Buchter & Jeremy Jeffress There will not be a Starting Pitcher available to trade for that will be worth the cost come this seasons trade deadline. That's the conclusion I think Dombrowski will come to. I agree that the value of adding whatever starters are available will not be worth the cost. So I hope they don't. Harvey is an interesting name. He's really struggled and the Mets need offense. Don't know how the team's really match up, though.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 28, 2016 17:42:20 GMT -5
This quickly turned into one dumb thread. It was a dumb thread all along as it's at least 2 weeks premature.
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Post by trotfan on Jun 28, 2016 17:49:41 GMT -5
Rotation 1.Greinke 2.price 3.Gray 4.Wright. Trade porcello and eat the money
outfield 1,Holt 2.jbj 3.Betts Holt is the key to not making a move here ...team has not been the same without him in the lineup .
On the block Vaz,Buck,Pedey,Moncada,Devers ,Travis,Hanley ,Kelly ,Owens Johnson ,panda,porcello
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2016 17:57:32 GMT -5
Rotation 1.Greinke 2.price 3.Gray 4.Wright. Trade porcello and eat the money outfield 1,Holt 2.jbj 3.Betts Holt is the key to not making a move here ...team has not been the same without him in the lineup . On the block Vaz,Buck,Pedey,Moncada,Devers ,Travis,Hanley ,Kelly ,Owens Johnson ,panda,porcello If you're 15 or so I apologize, but you keep spewing the same non-sense. I don't see how Holt is the key to anything. He's a good utility man. He'll help the bench, but beyond that he's hardly the key to anything. And what do you think you'd get for most of the guys you mentioned? And why would the Red Sox trade Moncada? So they're going to eat Porcello's contract but take on Greinke's? I assume they eat Hanley's and Panda's too? Who would want those deals? Do you realize nothing you're saying makes any sense at all? I mean, geez, why not pencil in Kershaw #1 and Arrieta #2 while we're at it? Pencil Braun in for LF? Why we can even add Marcos Hernandez to the list of guys we'd be willing to deal. How about Brentz? He's looked good the last couple of nights. Teams would be lined up to deal for him. That's worth a top setup man at least.
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Post by libertine on Jun 28, 2016 19:25:29 GMT -5
I think we'll be buyers. But looking at some of the comments on this thread it seems some people think the Sox should be buyers by being sellers...
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Post by byunghyunjim on Jun 28, 2016 20:02:33 GMT -5
I want them to stand pat. Problem with doing so is that the FA starters market next offseason is garbage. They'll have to make a move eventually given the state of pitching in the upper minors.
Seems like it's gonna happen. And it's gonna be painful.
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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2016 21:00:13 GMT -5
I moved a bunch of nonsense to the throwdown subforum.
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Post by trotfan on Jun 28, 2016 21:22:53 GMT -5
I moved a bunch of nonsense to the throwdown subforum. So you leave the one that started it all good job there coach ....
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Post by trotfan on Jun 28, 2016 21:24:35 GMT -5
Rotation 1.Greinke 2.price 3.Gray 4.Wright. Trade porcello and eat the money outfield 1,Holt 2.jbj 3.Betts Holt is the key to not making a move here ...team has not been the same without him in the lineup . On the block Vaz,Buck,Pedey,Moncada,Devers ,Travis,Hanley ,Kelly ,Owens Johnson ,panda,porcello If you're 15 or so I apologize, but you keep spewing the same non-sense. I don't see how Holt is the key to anything. He's a good utility man. He'll help the bench, but beyond that he's hardly the key to anything. And what do you think you'd get for most of the guys you mentioned? And why would the Red Sox trade Moncada? So they're going to eat Porcello's contract but take on Greinke's? I assume they eat Hanley's and Panda's too? Who would want those deals? Do you realize nothing you're saying makes any sense at all? I mean, geez, why not pencil in Kershaw #1 and Arrieta #2 while we're at it? Pencil Braun in for LF? Why we can even add Marcos Hernandez to the list of guys we'd be willing to deal. How about Brentz? He's looked good the last couple of nights. Teams would be lined up to deal for him. That's worth a top setup man at least.
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Post by pnwsoxfan on Jun 28, 2016 21:49:54 GMT -5
Let's all be realistic here. Been a Sox fan all my life, seen some great moves - Heathcliff Slocumb to the M's for Varitek and Lowe, and seen some really bad moves - Bagwell for Larry Anderson. The Sox have one of the best minor league systems in baseball, so we can make those moves to improve the team but at what cost. For just about any move - it is going to cost us top prospects. Here is my list of untouchables:
Moncada Benintendi Espinoza Devers
Most likely won't be moved:
Travis Johnson Swihart (injury)
Could be moved:
The rest of the system - mainly Owens, Kopech, Chavis, Marrero, Brentz, Ockimey
If we are talking a trade for say a Sonny Gray, or Julio Tehran - most likely - one of the untouchables would be needed to start the conversation. So I would say - Unlikely to happen. Top relievers, such as Atl's Vizcaino - it will cost at least a few upper prospects. That could be a possibility
But being realistic - the Sox will find a few low cost relievers, and maybe a starter like a Rich Hill. I don't see us going out and getting a left fielder, as Swihart, Holt and Young will be all returning. Brentz is doing a nice job but how long will that last. Everywhere else is fairly solid, as long as we stay healthy
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