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Post by ibsmith85 on Jul 2, 2016 18:24:43 GMT -5
Clay being Clay!!!
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 2, 2016 18:26:19 GMT -5
...Well, I was actually gazing at Fangraphs. My navel gets kind of boring after awhile. The in-game stat log showed me he allowed six hits, two walks and a WP through five innings. That's a WHIP of 1.6 and an OPS of .838 against a below-average offensive team. He wasn't, as you say, "very effective." I think only Nick Carfado agrees with you on this. He said Wright was "breezing along" through five. ... Four of those hits were grounders through the infield. While you might call them well-placed, I'll fall back on BABIP. This is why a reliance on an aggregate stat such as OPS for a five inning sample is just about useless. Go back and look at the game. Until the disaster in the 6 th he had done very well, limiting hard contact and controlling the knuckler well enough to only give up two walks. We can both play the SSS game all we want but I guess we'll agree to disagree. His BABIP was .333 - high over the long haul but we've seen many games in which the SP has a lot less luck than that. I think of "very effective" as a standout performance, 1-2-3 innings (he had only one of those and that one was due to Brock cutting down a runner at second), a good K/BB ratio (his was 3/2), etc. Pujols just took CB deep. In an hour, we'll all be in such a crappy mood that we'll have a lot to snip at each other about.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 2, 2016 18:44:48 GMT -5
Clay is unlucky. He doesn't miss bats, but we expect him to succeed.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 2, 2016 18:48:15 GMT -5
If this is all Clay is going to give the team, then they should be pitching Owens or anyone else with a pulse. He's gone after this year..I'd rather see someone who is going to be future part of the club get the innings.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 2, 2016 19:26:22 GMT -5
So much bad luck!
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 2, 2016 19:27:25 GMT -5
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Post by station13 on Jul 2, 2016 19:33:04 GMT -5
it's a ghost town with Buchholz starting.
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Post by costpet on Jul 2, 2016 19:39:04 GMT -5
You might see Buchholz and Farrell released the same day.
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Post by trotfan on Jul 2, 2016 19:53:45 GMT -5
Well on a positive note Farrell only waited two batters to long tonight
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Post by thursty on Jul 2, 2016 19:54:22 GMT -5
boo
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Post by trotfan on Jul 2, 2016 19:54:29 GMT -5
Alberts out
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Post by trotfan on Jul 2, 2016 19:55:36 GMT -5
Shaw is a liability at third
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Post by trotfan on Jul 2, 2016 19:56:52 GMT -5
Should be inning over that's a take out slide
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Post by trotfan on Jul 2, 2016 19:58:19 GMT -5
Disgusting absolutely disgusting
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Post by trotfan on Jul 2, 2016 19:59:25 GMT -5
If that ball is accurate that inning is over . Shaw fault .
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Post by thursty on Jul 2, 2016 20:03:39 GMT -5
that's on Bradley - yet another hit right in front of him that he pulls up on rather than catches
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Post by thursty on Jul 2, 2016 20:06:51 GMT -5
my guess is - tomorrow is Farrell's last game
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Post by templeusox on Jul 2, 2016 20:11:28 GMT -5
We're conceding 2 out of every 5 games with the starters we send out. I mean, I'm all good with giving away seasons, but please don't think Teheran is the answer to any of this.
Also, Buchholz is completely done. You're better letting Henry Owens luck into a few 5 IP, 3 ER starts than sending Buchholz out there to embarrass himself any more. And the pitching coach of the Long Island Ducks would cringe watching film of Sean O'Sullivan, so I'm not sure why that's a thing.
#thetruthhurts
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Post by ianrs on Jul 2, 2016 20:20:53 GMT -5
Getting embarrassed by the 32-48 Angels at home is just, uh, very bad. Good thing we have an an elite closer.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 2, 2016 20:24:03 GMT -5
Until the past few weeks or so the Sox either were winning blowouts or locked into tight ballgames constantly. Now, they're getting the tar beat out them (at home by a bad ballclub no less) and templeusox is right - the Sox are basically conceding 40% of their games or hoping the team scores at least 10 runs in one of those games to give them a chance.
And tomorrow we get O'Sullivan. Why not Wilkerson? I really don't understand the reasoning behind giving a journeyman pitcher who has proven he can't pitch in the majors another start while Wilkerson doesn't get his chance.
Meanwhile Buchholz is a lost cause. It's almost pretty much not worth watching the games he starts.
As the Red Sox continue to play terrible defense, make an increasing amount of errors, and even make more boneheaded base running plays and bunting decisions, I'm getting a feeling the end is nearing for John Farrell and that Lovullo will be managing the club soon. My guess is that this happens during the All-Star break.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 2, 2016 20:26:14 GMT -5
Getting embarrassed by the 32-48 Angels at home is just, uh, very bad. Good thing we have an an elite closer. When people justified the Kimbrel trade by saying that Margot/etc were expendable prospects for this organization... that may have been true. However, I'd sure as hell rather expend them for the starter we desperately need now than the closer we didn't then.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 2, 2016 20:28:06 GMT -5
A proactive team would know that now is the best time possible to unload Pedroia's contract. We won't of course, mostly because our management stubbornly stuck in win-now mode. But this might be the last time to unload him before 2021.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 2, 2016 20:28:43 GMT -5
Getting embarrassed by the 32-48 Angels at home is just, uh, very bad. Good thing we have an an elite closer. What does Kimbrel have to do with Buchholz and E-Rod stinking up the joint 40% of their games? Nothing. His numbers from 2011 - 2015 were pretty damn elite. What else do you call a guy with a lifetime ERA of 1.6 over 5 seasons? We're not talking about a one year wonder. We're talking about a guy with an established track record. It's not that different from Price who had been an elite pitcher prior to coming to Boston. He, too, hasn't been exactly elite. If Price and Kimbrel were better this season, the Sox would be in better shape, but they'd still be in trouble because Buchholz and E-Rod and company can't even give the Red Sox replacement level performances in the back end of the rotation. Kimbrel certainly hasn't been elite this season. It kind of reminds me when the Sox got Lee Smith who was dominant with the Cubs, but by time he got to the Sox wasn't at his best. He'd rebound and have some great years post-Boston, but when he got to the Sox he was never quite as good as they hoped he would be. That's kind of what's going on with Kimbrel right now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 2, 2016 20:31:11 GMT -5
Getting embarrassed by the 32-48 Angels at home is just, uh, very bad. Good thing we have an an elite closer. When people justified the Kimbrel trade by saying that Margot/etc were expendable prospects for this organization... that may have been true. However, I'd sure as hell rather expend them for the starter we desperately need now than the closer we didn't then. Why do you keep assuming that other teams would have wanted Margot for a solid starting pitcher? Don't you think Dombrowski would have made that move if it was all it took? Most teams trading pitching want young pitching in return, and unless the Sox part with Kopech and/or Espinoza they got no pitching anybody really wants. What has to be messing them up is that both Brian Johnson and Henry Owens, two pitchers who should be major league ready and be able to pitch in the middle of the rotation have been absolute duds. Margot is not getting you a solid #2/#3 starter, and you sure wouldn't want to trade Margot for a Ervin Santana/Jeremy Hellickson type.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 2, 2016 20:31:25 GMT -5
This is why I refuse to believe the strength of schedule projections. The Sox are on an 11-16 stretch over the last month. They ARE the waek team.
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