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8/12 Gameday Thread: Putting on the Ritzi with Rowdy Ronny
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 11, 2016 22:32:45 GMT -5
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 12, 2016 0:27:37 GMT -5
It looks like Devers has fully absorbed what he needs to know in this league now. Real good to see.
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Post by braziliansox on Aug 12, 2016 3:29:59 GMT -5
It looks like Devers has fully absorbed what he needs to know in this league now. Real good to see. I really hope they give him some ABs in Portland to end the year. I think it would be good for him to get to know the league so he doesnt repeat this years slow start next season. |
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 12, 2016 7:00:18 GMT -5
It looks like Devers has fully absorbed what he needs to know in this league now. Real good to see. I really hope they give him some ABs in Portland to end the year. I think it would be good for him to get to know the league so he doesnt repeat this years slow start next season. I kind of disagree. He's in a groove now, and promoting him with three weeks in the season doesn't change his clock. Salem has qualified for the playoffs while Portland won't, and the Red Sox seem to like having guys in that atmosphere - they left Moncada in Greenville last August despite being far more primed for a promotion than Devers is now. There's no harm in having Devers experience success at a level where he's still one of the youngest players. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 12, 2016 8:54:13 GMT -5
Doubon
.320/.352/.497/.849
High ISoP, low ISoD. Is this the same Dubon ?
Salem team HRs 44, Devers has 11 of them. (But I agree that he's better served at Salem for the remainder of the year).
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Post by Coreno on Aug 12, 2016 9:19:09 GMT -5
That's exactly how I feel. There's no point in giving him a week or 2 in AA when he can get playoff experience in a league he's basically dominating right now.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 12, 2016 11:37:52 GMT -5
Doubon .320/.352/.497/.849 High ISoP, low ISoD. Is this the same Dubon ? The power increase has basically come in doubles and triples, as he still only has the one HR on the year. Given that his K rate has effectively doubled (9% to 17%) while his walk rate has dropped by nearly two-thirds (11.9% to 4.5%), and his FB/GB percentages have dramatically changed (22%/48% in Salem, 36%/39% in Portland) while his LD% has stayed essentially consistent (typical MiL BIP caveats apply, of course), it sure seems like he's selling out his approach a bit to generate even this doubles power. So it's nice that he's able to keep up this average while doing so, but again, this is still only doubles power, and I'm still a bit worried when MLB and even AAA pitchers throw him better strikes and challenge him to do anything with them. |
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Post by kingstephanos on Aug 12, 2016 11:53:30 GMT -5
Doubon .320/.352/.497/.849 High ISoP, low ISoD. Is this the same Dubon ? The power increase has basically come in doubles and triples, as he still only has the one HR on the year. Given that his K rate has effectively doubled (9% to 17%) while his walk rate has dropped by nearly two-thirds (11.9% to 4.5%), and his FB/GB percentages have dramatically changed (22%/48% in Salem, 36%/39% in Portland) while his LD% has stayed essentially consistent (typical MiL BIP caveats apply, of course), it sure seems like he's selling out his approach a bit to generate even this doubles power. So it's nice that he's able to keep up this average while doing so, but again, this is still only doubles power, and I'm still a bit worried when MLB and even AAA pitchers throw him better strikes and challenge him to do anything with them. Chris, would Dubon be a guy (in your opinion) they might look to trade in the off-season? |
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 12, 2016 11:58:17 GMT -5
After a couple brutal starts totaling 2.2 IP and a 30.38 ERA, Shaun Anderson was moved to the GCL from Lowell today.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 12, 2016 12:15:57 GMT -5
Darwinzon Hernandez would be starting on regular rest in Lowell, so my guess is he goes. Then Pennington and Hunter Smith take them into the break.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 12, 2016 12:19:42 GMT -5
The power increase has basically come in doubles and triples, as he still only has the one HR on the year. Given that his K rate has effectively doubled (9% to 17%) while his walk rate has dropped by nearly two-thirds (11.9% to 4.5%), and his FB/GB percentages have dramatically changed (22%/48% in Salem, 36%/39% in Portland) while his LD% has stayed essentially consistent (typical MiL BIP caveats apply, of course), it sure seems like he's selling out his approach a bit to generate even this doubles power. So it's nice that he's able to keep up this average while doing so, but again, this is still only doubles power, and I'm still a bit worried when MLB and even AAA pitchers throw him better strikes and challenge him to do anything with them. Chris, would Dubon be a guy (in your opinion) they might look to trade in the off-season? I mean, does a team ever really "look to trade" a minor leaguer? Not being a wiseass, but I'm not sure I'd ever really put it that way. Might be be traded this offseason? Sure. If a team really thinks he can start at short for them, then that's good value for him. But it's not like he has no value if he develops into a utility IF who can handle short. That's a valuable player at pre-arb salaries. But I also don't think he's headlining a deal for a valuable MLB piece or anything. |
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 12, 2016 16:55:08 GMT -5
 Mike Antonellis @seadogsradio Yoan Moncada starting at third base tonight. First of his career. |
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Post by radiohix on Aug 12, 2016 19:38:11 GMT -5
Doubon .320/.352/.497/.849 High ISoP, low ISoD. Is this the same Dubon ? The power increase has basically come in doubles and triples, as he still only has the one HR on the year. Given that his K rate has effectively doubled (9% to 17%) while his walk rate has dropped by nearly two-thirds (11.9% to 4.5%), and his FB/GB percentages have dramatically changed (22%/48% in Salem, 36%/39% in Portland) while his LD% has stayed essentially consistent (typical MiL BIP caveats apply, of course), it sure seems like he's selling out his approach a bit to generate even this doubles power. So it's nice that he's able to keep up this average while doing so, but again, this is still only doubles power, and I'm still a bit worried when MLB and even AAA pitchers throw him better strikes and challenge him to do anything with them. He actually has 2 HRs. Salem's park is also brutal for power numbers as Moncada can attest. |
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Post by telson13 on Aug 12, 2016 19:48:17 GMT -5
It looks like Devers has fully absorbed what he needs to know in this league now. Real good to see. I really hope they give him some ABs in Portland to end the year. I think it would be good for him to get to know the league so he doesnt repeat this years slow start next season. Portland is a better offensive environment, too. Especially for HR. Check out Moncada, Dubon, and Benintendi's pre- and post-promotion stats. |
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Post by telson13 on Aug 12, 2016 19:51:05 GMT -5
Justin Haley with yet another good start. His BAA this year is pretty impressive, to go with a mid-2 ERA at two levels.
Edit: and an FIP of 2.67 in AA and under 3.5 in AAA. He's going to make for an interesting 40-man roster decision.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 12, 2016 20:42:11 GMT -5
Justin Haley with yet another good start. His BAA this year is pretty impressive, to go with a mid-2 ERA at two levels. Edit: and an FIP of 2.67 in AA and under 3.5 in AAA. He's going to make for an interesting 40-man roster decision. I think he has pitched his way onto the 40 man roster. His command and control is light years ahead of last season. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 12, 2016 21:08:47 GMT -5
Ben Taylor doubled up his ERA.
2/4 for Devers, both singles.
No game time for Young at Pawtucket.
Raudes with a so-so start, Chavis 2 more Ks so far (I wonder if the thumb is still an issue) and Ockimey with 2 more walks.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 13, 2016 10:12:09 GMT -5
I really hope they give him some ABs in Portland to end the year. I think it would be good for him to get to know the league so he doesnt repeat this years slow start next season. I kind of disagree. He's in a groove now, and promoting him with three weeks in the season doesn't change his clock. Salem has qualified for the playoffs while Portland won't, and the Red Sox seem to like having guys in that atmosphere - they left Moncada in Greenville last August despite being far more primed for a promotion than Devers is now. There's no harm in having Devers experience success at a level where he's still one of the youngest players. If Portland were headed for the playoffs and Salem weren't, I think he would have been promoted a week or two ago. I'm fine with him finishing the season in Salem -- for one thing, his overall numbers still don't reflect how good he's really been, so giving him two+ more weeks to fatten them will just look nice on his b-ref and FG pages, forever. As an aside, folks are much better now at properly characterizing slow starts and turnarounds. If you read the Boston papers in 1999, you read all through May and June that Trot Nixon was still struggling -- he was hitting .245 / .324 / .359 (".245 with 3 HR and 19 RBI" in the contemporary tongue) at the ASB. Is this guy ever gonna be any good? Or is he another in a long line of wannabes and future has-beens? What everyone was either forgetting or not properly factoring in was that he had started the season 2/33, 2 BB. That is, of course, a nearly bottomless statistical hole to dig out of. He had actually hit .283 / .364 / .403 starting April 26, after they gave him two days off and fixed a problem with his swing. Perfectly good numbers for a rookie. But the press was like, did that really work? He's still hitting .245!
And when he hit .306 / .365 / .600 in his first 25 games after the break, the new take was, Trot Nixon's starting to hit a little bit now, he's up to .264 with 8 HR and 33 RBI, still so-so numbers for a guy in mid-August but at least you can hope that he starts really hitting well some day. Really. Drove me crazy. |
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