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Whither a Mookie Extension
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 16, 2018 15:35:07 GMT -5
The Sox haven't signed a affordable extension with one of its own players since the Wade Miley deal.
Think about that before 3 or 4 different people go away joking about extensions.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 16, 2018 15:43:11 GMT -5
The Sox haven't signed a affordable extension with one of its own players since the Wade Miley deal. Think about that before 3 or 4 different people go away joking about extensions. You do this thing where you have an idea, and then you come up with a conclusion, and without proving it, you post it eleventy billion times as if the volume of repeating the point is proof. So, how is this? The Red Sox also haven't lost a QO-linked free agent since Jacoby Ellsbury. That's both just as true and just as irrelevant as what you just posted. You've stated a fact, and you think it's a fact that proves a point, but it's really just a piece of trivia. The Red Sox would like to sign Mookie Betts to a team-friendly extension. I know this, because every team would like to sign every player to a team-friendly extension. It's the nature of it being team-friendly. If it wasn't team-friendly, then it wouldn't be an extension the team would want to sign. That doesn't mean the Red Sox will be able to sign him, or that Betts wants to sign, or that he doesn't want to sign, or that he should sign, or that it will affect his bowling game, or that he can successfully execute the PerfectPlex, or anything. He is only HALFWAY through his time of initial team control! And you post CONSTANTLY about them needing to resign him! You are driving yourself insane! Even if you cut down to posting it once a day, you would have over 1000 posts on the subject between now and his free agency. So, I say again, for your sake and for the sake of everyone else who posts here, relax.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 16, 2018 15:46:51 GMT -5
Hey why not sign Benintendi to a early extension or Eduardo Rodriguez or someone else you really covet in the organization? Why can't the Sox perfect this art like Rick Hahn did with the White Sox?
What a mistake it was to sign Sale, Quintana, and Adam Eaton to early extensions. What a joke. It's not like those extensions turned their franchise around or anything.
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Post by Coreno on Jan 16, 2018 15:55:55 GMT -5
Ok but unlike Groome and hypothetical draft picks, the Red Sox should already have signed Betts to an extension. Is that even debatable? It takes two sides to come to an agreement. You seem to assume they haven't even bothered bringing up the topic, which would be asinine.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 16, 2018 16:01:12 GMT -5
Has the Sox even tried to sign anyone on their roster besides Mookie Betts to a team friendly deal that works for both sides?
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2018 16:12:18 GMT -5
Ok but unlike Groome and hypothetical draft picks, the Red Sox should already have signed Betts to an extension. Is that even debatable? Takes two sides to agree to a contract. Mookie has been pretty consistent in saying he's not worried about a contract and has no interest.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2018 16:14:06 GMT -5
And here's Mike Trout's extension. '15 5.25m 23years old '16 15.25 24yo '17 19.25 25yo '18 33.25 26yo '19 33.25 27yo '20 33.25 28yo '21 free agent Mookie will be 25 this season. Mookie finished 2nd in the 2016 MVP vote. Im not panicking but I would think it take a tick below Trout's extension to keep Betts. Mike Trout is about twice as good as the 2nd best player in baseball. There are exception years like Mookie's 2016, but until Mookie puts up consistent 9 WAR seasons instead of just 1, no way.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2018 16:15:42 GMT -5
Hey why not sign Benintendi to a early extension or Eduardo Rodriguez or someone else you really covet in the organization? Why can't the Sox perfect this art like Rick Hahn did with the White Sox? What a mistake it was to sign Sale, Quintana, and Adam Eaton to early extensions. What a joke. It's not like those extensions turned their franchise around or anything. Let's continue to guess about what people are thinking and then declare it the truth without knowing anything at all about the actual situation.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2018 16:16:19 GMT -5
Has the Sox even tried to sign anyone on their roster besides Mookie Betts to a team friendly deal that works for both sides? I bet they've tried to sign every single player to a team friendly extension.
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Post by huskies15 on Jan 16, 2018 16:18:39 GMT -5
The only real candidates are Bradley, Bogaerts, Betts, and I suppose E-Rod. All of their performances (maybe except Mookie) have fluctuated throughout their careers. It's tough to come up with a deal at present that as you say would "work for both sides". There's a decent chance that a longer extension for Xander and JBJ ends up looking like a disaster for the team. Also, players are getting one big chance to cash in these days, so why take an extension that buys out years where you could potentially make a lot more if you went to FA?
I think we'd all like reasonable extensions that allows the Red Sox flexibility, but it takes two sides to agree to a deal.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 16, 2018 16:23:08 GMT -5
The only real candidates are Bradley, Bogaerts, Betts, and I suppose E-Rod. Benintendi, Sale, Kimbrel, Pomeranz. There are a lot more candidate's you're not thinking about.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 16, 2018 16:54:53 GMT -5
Ok but unlike Groome and hypothetical draft picks, the Red Sox should already have signed Betts to an extension. Is that even debatable? It takes two sides to come to an agreement. You seem to assume they haven't even bothered bringing up the topic, which would be asinine. I don't know if they have or not, and it's not necessarily the Red Sox's fault if he doesn't sign one, but it is kind of conspicuous how they haven't signed ANYONE from the substantial crop of young talent they now control. It's certainly a change from the Theo era, and not an encouraging one. It takes too sides, so... are the Red Sox not making offers, or does no one want to play here? Either way it's a concern.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2018 17:11:29 GMT -5
It takes two sides to come to an agreement. You seem to assume they haven't even bothered bringing up the topic, which would be asinine. I don't know if they have or not, and it's not necessarily the Red Sox's fault if he doesn't sign one, but it is kind of conspicuous how they haven't signed ANYONE from the substantial crop of young talent they now control. It's certainly a change from the Theo era, and not an encouraging one. It takes too sides, so... are the Red Sox not making offers, or does no one want to play here? Either way it's a concern. The only consistent player of all the young talent they have is Mookie so he's the only one I could possibly see coming to an agreement because their ideas of his value are probably not completely different. The rest of them are probably counting on reaching their full potential, which none of them have done consistently. ERod looks like a #1 at times but is always hurt and takes too long to come back to that form. Is Xander a slap .300 hitter with no power or is he a 5 win perennial all-star? Is JBJ a 5 win player or is he a 2-3 win player? Benintendi only has had one season, which is usually too early to come up with an extension that both sides could agree on. He was a 2-2.5 win player last year and probably everyone hopes that he becomes double that. But who would count on it? I'm sure that Boras considers Xander and JBJ as 5+ win players to which point it would be absurd to even talk about an extension. And as far as Mookie goes, he has said that he doesn't worry about money and doesn't even think about an extension. I take that more as him being more likely to giving the Red Sox a home team discount at some point than a bad thing.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 16, 2018 17:16:45 GMT -5
Hey Devers how about 250 million for your career, just sign right here. Sorry I just had to jump in on all the fun arguing about extending guys.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 16, 2018 17:34:24 GMT -5
I don't know if they have or not, and it's not necessarily the Red Sox's fault if he doesn't sign one, but it is kind of conspicuous how they haven't signed ANYONE from the substantial crop of young talent they now control. It's certainly a change from the Theo era, and not an encouraging one. It takes too sides, so... are the Red Sox not making offers, or does no one want to play here? Either way it's a concern. The only consistent player of all the young talent they have is Mookie so he's the only one I could possibly see coming to an agreement because their ideas of his value are probably not completely different. Chris Sale. Craig Kimbrel. Heck, you probably might of got Pomeranz to sign if guarenteed him money after his arm injury in 2016.
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Post by jiant2520 on Jan 16, 2018 17:40:00 GMT -5
I would agree about Bogey and Bradley. As DD, I am not exactly sure what I am paying for... and they would be advised not to sign unless coming off a big year or Boston pays them like 5 war players. Betts is on record as not wanting an extension, but if I am DD, I ask him every off-season. Devers and Benny are still very early in their deals... as DD, I would wait a couple more years to see what they are. I think DD knows what it will cost to sign Sale... as a FA in two years he will most likely be the 1st/2nd highest paid pitcher. After this year perhaps they talk extension, but DD has two affordable options. What if he has an injury... Sale is going to cash in, fact. Kimbrel and Pomeranz are a bit different. Kimbrel/DD may have preliminary talks, but before this year he was regressing a bit, if that happens again or if he asks for 5/90, maybe DD moves on. Pomeranz, if he has another 17 win, 3.32 type of year, I don't see Boston giving him 20 mil over 5yrs, which is what he may get.
I could see Bogey being traded. Bradley, Pomeranz and to a lesser degree Kimbrel playing out their deals, then moving on. I want Kimbrel back, but who knows. I see Benny and Devers as long term Sox. I think Boston will make every effort to resign Sale and Betts. I think E-Rod will be counted on to help replace Pomeranz... not sure he gets an extension... I hope he remains healthy enough for the Sox to consider it.
Just my thoughts on a way too soon to guess topic...
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2018 17:42:11 GMT -5
The only consistent player of all the young talent they have is Mookie so he's the only one I could possibly see coming to an agreement because their ideas of his value are probably not completely different. Chris Sale. Craig Kimbrel. Heck, you probably might of got Pomeranz to sign if guarenteed him money after his arm injury in 2016. Well we were talking about young players. I really have no interest in re-signing Kimbrel and who the hell is Pomeranz anyway? A top 20 starter in the majors? Or an oft-injured guy who is as likely to be out of baseball as he is to make the All-Star team multiple times? Sale has two more years on his contract and would be a moron to sign another extension before Keshaw signs his contract next year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 16, 2018 17:58:37 GMT -5
Chris Sale. Craig Kimbrel. Heck, you probably might of got Pomeranz to sign if guarenteed him money after his arm injury in 2016. Well we were talking about young players. I really have no interest in re-signing Kimbrel and who the hell is Pomeranz anyway? A top 20 starter in the majors? Or an oft-injured guy who is as likely to be out of baseball as he is to make the All-Star team multiple times? Sale has two more years on his contract and would be a moron to sign another extension before Keshaw signs his contract next year. Instead of the Sox pumping their chests about the under-market deal the past year, maybe they should of given Sale a little bit more money the next 3 years and signed him to a even longer term deal and at least shored up that question long-term. Chris Sale has been a guy that has been willing to sign long-term in the past with his team. Who is Pomeranz? A fairly consistent starter the past 2 years when given the chance. Oft-injured? He suffered one arm injury in late 2016. He played through it in 2016 and took a a extra week in 2017 to recover from the same injury in the beginning of the season. I can't see more of a risk of giving Pomeranz a extension versus any other pitcher for example.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 16, 2018 18:47:45 GMT -5
No they're not, but I don't see this thread dying in the next 3 years, unless there is a extension of course. Now that is funny !! God, I hope that wasn't photo-shopped or something. That is a thing of beauty
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Post by iakovos11 on Jan 16, 2018 19:15:04 GMT -5
Anyone ever think the changes in the CBA might be making everyone (teams and players) more hesitant to commit to long term deals right now, team friendly or not? Nobody knows how things will shake out over the next 2-3 years, especially with Harper, Machado, Aranando, Trout, and others up for FA. There's a lot of uncertainty right now. Lots of guys looking to see what happens. So, let's see what happens. Sox have resources, they'll be ok.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 16, 2018 19:24:50 GMT -5
I tend to agree that not having signed a team friendly extension up to this point with our guys, is an indication they might not be willing to do so before they hit FA. They had to have had preliminary talks with Bogey and Betts, at a minimum. I think it is impossible to determine why that is the case, but wanting (or not) to continue playing in Boston will be 1 of the 2 critical components to doing so. The other will be money, obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 18:16:18 GMT -5
Wanted to drag This Thread out to bring this topic back around since Mookie winning his arbitration hearing yesterday. I feel he deserved 10.5m and surprised the Red Sox didn't offer him a little bit more than 7.5m. Now comes to talk of an extension. I was reading about Mike Trout and his extension in 2018 Hill make 33 million dollars and Josh Donaldson came to an agreement with the Toronto Blue Jays for a little more than 23 million where Mookie Falls in this not quite sure.Maybe that 7 year 180 million dollar rumor that was going around that JDM was offered can be offered to Mookie?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 31, 2018 18:50:30 GMT -5
Does anyone feel that the low ball offer of 5/100 last off-season is part of the reason why Mookie wants to go year to year now?
The same thing happened with Lester. They lowballed him and he walked away from the table completely. This is kind of what Mookie has done the past 2 years by having his contract renewed last year and now the arbitration case this year.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 31, 2018 19:01:23 GMT -5
Does anyone feel that the low ball offer of 5/100 last off-season is part of the reason why Mookie wants to go year to year now? The same thing happened with Lester. They lowballed him and he walked away from the table completely. This is kind of what Mookie has done the past 2 years by having his contract renewed last year and now the arbitration case this year. I can think of more than one thing that happened in 2017 that might make Mookie Betts want out of Boston.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 31, 2018 19:03:13 GMT -5
Does anyone feel that the low ball offer of 5/100 last off-season is part of the reason why Mookie wants to go year to year now? The same thing happened with Lester. They lowballed him and he walked away from the table completely. This is kind of what Mookie has done the past 2 years by having his contract renewed last year and now the arbitration case this year. I can think of more than one thing that happened in 2017 that might make Mookie Betts want out of Boston. What happened in 2017 that was so bad though? The Sox made the playoffs that year. Edit- Sorry you said 2017. I was thinking 2016. That is when the extension was offered. Yeah since that time, he has had plenty of reasons for not wanting to sign now, but he didn't want to sign before 2017 too.
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