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August/September 2016 Player of the Month
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 16, 2016 11:12:14 GMT -5
Please vote above for the player you felt had the best month, and discuss your selection below in the thread! You may use almost any criteria you wish in judging each player's month. The one exception is that we ask that voters ignore a player's prospect status - in other words, please don't vote for a player based on the fact that you think he will be a better major league player down the road. However, to be clear, you may use other criteria in judging the candidates relative to one another that go beyond stats, such as age relative to level and the like. Just don't pick, say, a top 10 prospect over an org guy based solely on that. Voting for this poll will close Monday at 3:00pm. 3B/DH Bobby Dalbec (LOW): 29 G, 123 PA, 43 H, 10 2B, 2 3B, 6 HR, 22 R, 29 RBI, 7 BB, 30 K, 1 SB/2 CS, .377/.415/.658 SS Mauricio Dubon (POR): 30 G, 131 PA, 45 H, 12 2B, 2 3B, 5 HR, 27 R, 23 RBI, 4 BB, 10 K, 4 SB/1 CS, .366/.392/.618 2B Jose Sermo (SAL): 30 G, 125 PA, 38 H, 10 2B, 1 3B, 3 HR, 22 R, 18 RBI, 9 BB, 28 K, 5 SB/1 CS, .333/.384/.518 LF/RF Aneury Tavarez (POR): 30 G, 129 PA, 45 H, 4 2B, 5 3B, 4 HR, 24 R, 15 RBI, 6 BB, 19 K, 4 SB/3 CS, .378/.409/.597 August/September hitting stats
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 16, 2016 11:42:59 GMT -5
Going with Dubon because of being a SS and the k-rate - wow. But it sure is close.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 16, 2016 14:52:49 GMT -5
After careful consideration and deep reflection, I chose Bobby ... nah, of course I chose Dubon. It's the right choice, too. His stats are nearly identical to Dalbec except a lot fewer Ks and more SBs. Plus, he's a shortstop, making him automatically more valuable a player (it's "player of the month" not "hitter of the month").
But, seriously, 5 HR in one month for Mauricio Dubon? Who saw that coming?
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 18, 2016 2:27:08 GMT -5
Dubon is 11 months older (and the same official age) and is playing three levels higher. And he's a SS rather than a 3B. You don't even have to look at the strikeouts. It's not close.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 18, 2016 17:46:46 GMT -5
Dubon one vote behind. It would be the blackest day in the history of SoxProspects.com if he were robbed of this award that he so obviously deserves.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 18, 2016 18:44:20 GMT -5
Dubon one vote behind. It would be the blackest day in the history of SoxProspects.com if he were robbed of this award that he so obviously deserves. He's now three votes behind. Dalbec had the edge in EqA, .355 to .335. Defensively, Dubon (according to BP) has been a -16 R/150 SS, so we'll adjust him as an average-fielding 2B, which adds +.006. Dalbec has been a +11 3B, which adds +.013. Finally, the EL has hit .017 better than the NYPL (.254 vs. .237). So now you're weighing Dalbec's league- and defense adjusted .391 versus Dubon's .347. That doesn't seem close. But Dubon has done it at "the same age" (or 11 months older if you prefer) but three levels higher. That's immense. Does anyone really think Dalbec could have put up that .378 of offense in Salem, let alone Portland? If not, how is that possibly the better month? Put another way, Dubon's month at AA was the equivalent of Joey Votto's season in MLB. What do you think Votto would have hit in high-A? Do think he could have added .040 of OBP and .100 of SA? Easily, right? That would put him in a tie with Dalbec's EqA. If he adds that much, then Dalbec loses that much when he goes up three levels. It's pretty clear he loses quite a bit more. Then you add Dubon's SB and CS, and his low strikeout rate. Like I said, I don't think it's close. If you don't think age relative to league matters (let alone closeness to MLB), then I suppose it's not close the other way.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 18, 2016 21:56:34 GMT -5
Give this young man what he deserves!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 18, 2016 22:34:57 GMT -5
so we'll adjust him as an average-fielding 2B, which adds +.006. Why? He played shortstop. Sorry, based on what? You lost me even further with this.
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Post by klostrophobic on Sept 18, 2016 23:51:26 GMT -5
Joey Votto would hit at least .600 in Hi-A. What are you even talking about? The only outs would be screaming line drives caught by infielders who didn't have enough time to move their gloves out of the way.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 19, 2016 7:12:08 GMT -5
Joey Votto would hit at least .600 in Hi-A. What are you even talking about? The only outs would be screaming line drives caught by infielders who didn't have enough time to move their gloves out of the way. That's not true at all. He'd also strike out at least once a week on an awful call by some Carolina League umpire. He probably hits .580, max.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 19, 2016 7:25:08 GMT -5
C'mon, people ... off message! Let's run our GOTV program, make sure to knock on the door of every 1 and 2 in our database of the district, bank our early voters, and drive right through the deadline. This election matters!
Digital staff, start sending out emails with subject lines like "Urgent!" and "This Could Be A Disaster"
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 19, 2016 8:18:38 GMT -5
so we'll adjust him as an average-fielding 2B, which adds +.006. Why? He played shortstop. Sorry, based on what? You lost me even further with this. 1) Because he projects as a starting 2B. He's playing SS to increase his versatility as a potential utility guy. If you're going to adjust for ARL, then you also adjust for roles, because you don't penalize a guy for the way the team is using him; you're trying to find the best month as it projects to MLB (hence SoxProspects.com rather than SoxMinorLeaguers.com) based strictly on the performance without regard to scouting reports. If a guy had been aggressively promoted, his numbers would be down from what he would have hit otherwise, and you'd be adjusting for that as well. If you think the PotM should be the guy who had the best month, period, regardless of how that augurs for MLB if we took the numbers at face value, then Dalbec is already killing Dubon and this further adjustment is moot. 2) Dubon's EqA with the adjustments is roughly = to Votto this year. 3) We're trying to judge how much a player's slash line might change if you moved him three levels, which is what you need to do to compare Dubon and Dalbec. So I created a thought experiment about Votto changing three levels, so folks could get an intuitive sense of how much more impressive Dubon's line in AA is compared to Dalbec's line in A-, at the same age.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 19, 2016 8:25:46 GMT -5
C'mon, people ... off message! Let's run our GOTV program, make sure to knock on the door of every 1 and 2 in our database of the district, bank our early voters, and drive right through the deadline. This election matters! Digital staff, start sending out emails with subject lines like "Urgent!" and "This Could Be A Disaster" "We just need a moment of your time." "Last chance to make your voice heard!"
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