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2017, 2018 Projected Sox Rosters
ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 21, 2016 11:17:56 GMT -5
Pitching staff looks good. I would move Buchholz to 6th starter, since that'll be his purpose and role. Put Kelly after Kimbrel.
Ziegler supposedly likes the West Coast, and someone will offer him a better role than 7th inning RHB specialist. OTOH, has Koji said anything about retiring? If he hasn't, I'd list him instead as the potential re-signing. If he is retiring, two acquisitions.
Elias should be blue -- I'm guessing that's just an oversight.
Now, I pretty violently disagree with the notion that they'll acquire a DH. That's basically a Nick Cafardo sort of thought. There's obviously no need to add a significant bat when doing so means someone like Xander, JBJ, or Benintendi will hit 7th. The lineup with Shaw at 3B and Sandoval at 1B (or vice versa) is still the best in MLB, it moves Hanley to DH where he'll be far more valuable, it opens a roster spot for a platoon partner for Sandoval / Shaw, it clears a path for Moncada mid-season, it doesn't block Devers, and it doesn't cost you a draft pick and a boatload of money when you have a bunch of young starts and superstars who need extensions.
So just list Sandoval and Shaw at the corners (I think there's a good argument for Shaw at 3B, but it obviously works either way) and Hanley at DH, and have Vazquez, Holt, Young, and 3B Acquisition as the bench.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 21, 2016 11:24:59 GMT -5
And against lefties, Hanley could play 1B and let Chris Young DH or give anyone in the lineup a break from playing the field.
Given that Pablo had surgery on his left shoulder, I don't want him batting RH ever. Since he was already terrible for a few years, that's a no brainer. I'd still rather just dump him and acquire a 1 year RH 3B better than Aaron Hill if one exists.
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Post by dkirkland1102 on Sept 23, 2016 11:52:15 GMT -5
Question, did they send Moncado back to the minors? I heard that he was sent down.
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Post by joshmoody23 on Sept 23, 2016 13:26:02 GMT -5
I would still go after Encarnarcion. The guy is just too talented not to pursue. I don't think you are correct to say this is the best lineup in the MLB next year by replacing Sandoval with Papi. Shaw is a bench guy, a great bench guy but shouldn't be listed as the guaranteed starter. Pablo and Shaw should compete next year for the 3B job, Hanley and Encarnarcion both play 1B/DH.
If you don't sign a guy like that and Mookie, Xander, or Hanley is out for any extended time, the middle of the order would be decimated. EE is protection for the middle of the order as well as protection for injury.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 26, 2016 6:57:58 GMT -5
Next year's roster looks pretty set.
Catchers leon and cv
outfield beni, jbj, betts, and young
starting pitching price, porcello, erod, drew and wright
infield hanley, pedy, xb, holt, Pablo, and shaw
bullpen clay, kimbrel, Kelly, smith, koji, ross, barnes, taz
Its possible that they keep a vet catcher instead of cv. Pablo will be an interesting discussion all winter as to whether they keep him or play him regularly. Shaw can play 3 positions adequately, so he stays.
Trick will be how many pitchers do they keep. Assume the 5 starters are all healthy. Clay as the 6th man. Kimbrel, kelly, and ross are given. When will smith be healthy. koji and taz, are they coming back. With those 3 question marks barnes stays. So the sox will have bp questions.
Wonder how many teams would like this situation? The 2 big questions to me are managing salaries long term and rebuilding the minors. EE will certainly have a QO on the table. So that means if you sign him you lose a draft pick. Not sure the sox want to lose a pick. If you sign him you then will have a contract probably for 3 yrs min and probably 4 or more in the range of 20/yr. Do the sox want to tie up that kind of money on an older player who will spend most of his time at the dh. Maybe the second coming of Pablo. Dave addressed his needs early last year. So we will probably answer several of these areas before turkey time.
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Post by joshmoody23 on Sept 27, 2016 14:18:24 GMT -5
Next year's roster looks set now but Dombrowski will do some fooling around for sure. For one, Tazawa will not be in a Red Sox uniform.I would say they will try to keep Koji for cheap if he doesn't retire. Buchholz could me moved in a trade for a reliever, although right now he's depth. I still could see them going after a top of the rotation guy and a DH as well as at least 2 relievers (one being a dominant setup man, the other being a lefty).
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 28, 2016 11:00:58 GMT -5
Next year's roster looks set now but Dombrowski will do some fooling around for sure. For one, Tazawa will not be in a Red Sox uniform.I would say they will try to keep Koji for cheap if he doesn't retire. Buchholz could me moved in a trade for a reliever, although right now he's depth. I still could see them going after a top of the rotation guy and a DH as well as at least 2 relievers (one being a dominant setup man, the other being a lefty). Agree on Tazawa. I can't see them re-upping with him. With Ziggy gone as well, I hope they sign Koji for a one year deal. There is though, no TOR pitchers on the market. With Smith coming back (hopefully by June), they may need not need any relievers. Robbie Scott is your loogy. I do agree they need a DH/1B/3B bat. |
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Post by soxjim on Sept 29, 2016 0:25:30 GMT -5
IMO-- Unless Beni can be a significant top of the order bat I don't like how the other lefties in the lineup are awful vs lefty picthing. Even Holt who was strong vs lefties in 2014 and 2015 is awful vs them this year. I don't like the radical splits from these lefty bats. Too many top of the order righties and backend lefties. I'd give it a try without having to make a significant deal because I'm hopeful of Beni.
IMO - I agree with eric no-way no-how go after an expensive DH bat. Only big move I'd try is with a trade for a real good top of the order lefty bat but wouldn't be desperate for it.
IMO- Go after 1 or 2 arms in the bullpen with at least one being stellar. Trade if you have to. Can't rely on Smith.
Keep Pablo off the field and have him DH v s righties only.
We really need Moncada as soon as possible - an effective Moncada vs both righties and lefties.
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Post by dmaineah on Oct 19, 2016 12:26:48 GMT -5
I don't see Allen Craig listed
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Post by brisox on Dec 20, 2016 14:38:56 GMT -5
FYI - According to internal Sources Roenis Elias does have 1 option left and will be a starter at AAA . With the Addition of Thornburg and the feel that Hembree will make the roster as he is out of options (Farrel Likes him too) . There is likelihood that Kelly goes back to AAA to stretch as a Starter and burn his last option. If Pomeranz stays, Wright becomes the long man
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 20, 2016 20:33:06 GMT -5
FYI - According to internal Sources Roenis Elias does have 1 option left and will be a starter at AAA . With the Addition of Thornburg and the feel that Hembree will make the roster as he is out of options (Farrel Likes him too) . There is likelihood that Kelly goes back to AAA to stretch as a Starter and burn his last option. If Pomeranz stays, Wright becomes the long man It would make no sense for the Sox to put Kelly in AAA to start. Not only does he not have any options left(I could be wrong about that) but he was dominant as a reliever dueing July/August in Pawtucket and during September in Boston. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Kelly ended up being the second best reliever on the team in 2017. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 21, 2016 13:52:03 GMT -5
Kelly has an option left.
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Post by ramireja on Dec 21, 2016 14:17:44 GMT -5
FYI - According to internal Sources Roenis Elias does have 1 option left and will be a starter at AAA . With the Addition of Thornburg and the feel that Hembree will make the roster as he is out of options (Farrel Likes him too) . There is likelihood that Kelly goes back to AAA to stretch as a Starter and burn his last option. If Pomeranz stays, Wright becomes the long man Are your internal sources speculating on the Roenis Elias bit, or everything you said? Projected bullpen if everyone healthy: Kimbrel Thornburg Kelly Barnes Ross Jr. Hembree Wright or Pomeranz |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 21, 2016 14:46:39 GMT -5
FYI - According to internal Sources Roenis Elias does have 1 option left and will be a starter at AAA . With the Addition of Thornburg and the feel that Hembree will make the roster as he is out of options (Farrel Likes him too) . There is likelihood that Kelly goes back to AAA to stretch as a Starter and burn his last option. If Pomeranz stays, Wright becomes the long man Are your internal sources speculating on the Roenis Elias bit, or everything you said? Projected bullpen if everyone healthy: Kimbrel Thornburg Kelly Barnes Ross Jr. Hembree Wright or Pomeranz I like the BP you noted as this will probably be the line-up. With only one LH, can Barnes/Kelly get out that tough lefty in the late innings if you've burned through Ross? I believe Hembree is more of a ROOGY, but with good stuff & can go a few IP. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 21, 2016 15:31:51 GMT -5
FYI - According to internal Sources Roenis Elias does have 1 option left and will be a starter at AAA . With the Addition of Thornburg and the feel that Hembree will make the roster as he is out of options (Farrel Likes him too) . There is likelihood that Kelly goes back to AAA to stretch as a Starter and burn his last option. If Pomeranz stays, Wright becomes the long man Are your internal sources speculating on the Roenis Elias bit, or everything you said? Projected bullpen if everyone healthy: Kimbrel Thornburg Kelly Barnes Ross Jr. Hembree Wright or Pomeranz Where's Abad? I highly doubt DD paid him what just over 2 million to not be in the bullpen. Also if Wright is in Pen like most think, you'd need Abad as second lefty. Injuries will probably make the decision easier to start season than it now appears. Right now it looks like one of those guys is going to AAA to start season if everyone is healthy and Barnes and/or Kelly are the guys that would go. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 22, 2016 9:13:48 GMT -5
Thornburg has great lefty splits as well.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 22, 2016 15:58:07 GMT -5
Thornburg has great lefty splits as well. FWIW he also went multiple innings 8 times last year. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 1, 2017 11:24:53 GMT -5
Edit: Is there a tool etc. to edit xcel for this site?
2017 Red Sox
Positional Starters
1b Mitch Moreland Chris Sale
2b Dustin Pedroia David Price
SS Xander Bogaerts Rick Porcello
3B Pablo Sandoval Drew Pomeranz
DH Hanley Ramirez Eduardo Rodriguez
LF Andrew Benintendi Steven Wright (swing)
CF Jackie Bradley Jr.
RF Mookie Betts Bullpen
C Sandy Leon Craig Kimbrell
Tyler Thornburg
Bench Carson Smith
C Christian Vazquez Joe Kelly
OF Chris Young Matt Barnes
IF Josh R. /Marco H. Robbie Ross
Utilty Brock Holt Fernando Abad
LEGEND: *=Career #'s ~=Projected ^=2016 #'s Defense
A batting Order AVG OBP SLG OPS HR
1 Pedroia R 0.318 0.376 0.449 0.825 15 DOWN above
2 Benitenedi L 0.295 0.359 0.476 0.835 12~ SAME above
3 Betts R 0.318 0.363 0.534 0.897 31 DOWN GG
5 Ramirez R 0.286 0.361 0.505 0.866 30 DOWN
4 Bogaerts R 0.294 0.356 0.446 0.802 21 UP below
6 JBJ L 0.267 0.349 0.486 0.835 26 UP GG
7 Panda* L 0.287 0.339 0.451 0.790 13 DOWN below
8 Leon S 0.310 0.369 0.476 0.845 7 DOWN above
9 Moreland* L 0.254 0.315 0.438 0.753 22 UP GG
TOTAL 0.292 0.354 0.473 0.828 165.
17 vs. ''16
Starting Rotation IP H K WHIP ERA ER FIP S/H BS
1 Chris Sale 226.2 190 233 1.04 3.34 84 same
2 David Price 230 227 228 1.20 3.99 102 better
3 Rick Porcello 223 193 189 1.01 3.15 78 below
4 Drew Pomeranz 170.2 137 186 1.18 3.32 63 below
5 Eduardo Rodriguez 107.2 99 100 1.30 4.71 56 better
Swing/#6 Steven Wright 156.2 138 127 1.24 3.33 58
TOTAL 1115 984 1063 3.56 441
Bullpen
Closer Craig Kimbrel 53 28 83 1.09 3.40 31 2
SET-Up1 Tyler Thornburg 67 38 90 0.94 2.15 13 8
SET-Up2 Carson Smith^ 70 49 92 1.01 2.31
MR Joe Kelly 40 44 48 1.7 5.18
MR Matt Barnes 66.2 62 71 1.40 4.05
LOOGY Robie Ross Jr. 55.1 46 56 1.25 3.25
Fernando Abad 46.2 40 41 1.33 3.66
351.3
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ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 3, 2017 10:39:22 GMT -5
2018 looking basically good as always.
A few notes:
I think they add a major LH bat for 1B (Justin Bour?). That should be acquisition. I therefore don't see Moreland coming back; I'd list the possible or likely Nunez re-signing in Moreland's slot as UT. Hanley of course is the DH.
I also think you need to add a LHR as an acquisition.
The rest are essentially technical tweaks. Marrero will be out of options, so he should be MLB green like Swihart. OTOH, Ross and Elias do have options left and should be squeezed onto the Pawtucket roster.
Noe Ramirez (who'll probably get DFA'd soon) should be blue, not green.
Finally, if you're listing Wright as rehab at Pawtucket, which I think is smart, you should do the same thing with Thornburg. That clears a spot for the extra LHR.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 4, 2017 7:58:09 GMT -5
2018 looking basically good as always. A few notes: I think they add a major LH bat for 1B (Justin Bour?). That should be acquisition. I therefore don't see Moreland coming back; I'd list the possible or likely Nunez re-signing in Moreland's slot as UT. Hanley of course is the DH. I also think you need to add a LHR as an acquisition. The rest are essentially technical tweaks. Marrero will be out of options, so he should be MLB green like Swihart. OTOH, Ross and Elias do have options left and should be squeezed onto the Pawtucket roster. Noe Ramirez (who'll probably get DFA'd soon) should be blue, not green. Finally, if you're listing Wright as rehab at Pawtucket, which I think is smart, you should do the same thing with Thornburg. That clears a spot for the extra LHR. Where does chavis figure in next year? |
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Post by Coreno on Aug 4, 2017 18:03:43 GMT -5
Pawtucket
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 5, 2017 4:41:47 GMT -5
2018 looking basically good as always. A few notes: I think they add a major LH bat for 1B (Justin Bour?). That should be acquisition. I therefore don't see Moreland coming back; I'd list the possible or likely Nunez re-signing in Moreland's slot as UT. Hanley of course is the DH. I also think you need to add a LHR as an acquisition. The rest are essentially technical tweaks. Marrero will be out of options, so he should be MLB green like Swihart. OTOH, Ross and Elias do have options left and should be squeezed onto the Pawtucket roster. Noe Ramirez (who'll probably get DFA'd soon) should be blue, not green. Finally, if you're listing Wright as rehab at Pawtucket, which I think is smart, you should do the same thing with Thornburg. That clears a spot for the extra LHR. What would bour cost? Still think next year that Dave has to watch the dollars? |
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Post by artfuldodger on Aug 5, 2017 6:39:30 GMT -5
Bour would be an interesting fit. He is 29 and having a career year'. He is just getting into his arbitration years. One comp that I read was to Raul Ibanez. The Yanks tried trading for him but Marlins were asking a lot. The posters on the site may go crazy about the prospect cost.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 5, 2017 7:03:08 GMT -5
2018 looking basically good as always. A few notes: I think they add a major LH bat for 1B (Justin Bour?). That should be acquisition. I therefore don't see Moreland coming back; I'd list the possible or likely Nunez re-signing in Moreland's slot as UT. Hanley of course is the DH. I also think you need to add a LHR as an acquisition. The rest are essentially technical tweaks. Marrero will be out of options, so he should be MLB green like Swihart. OTOH, Ross and Elias do have options left and should be squeezed onto the Pawtucket roster. Noe Ramirez (who'll probably get DFA'd soon) should be blue, not green. Finally, if you're listing Wright as rehab at Pawtucket, which I think is smart, you should do the same thing with Thornburg. That clears a spot for the extra LHR. Bour probably cost too much in prospects to really have a chance to get. But it is worth a look. |
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 5, 2017 7:31:33 GMT -5
Rosters projected for next year will be greatly influenced by whether price re up's. $30 mil is a big number to play with.
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