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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2017 19:25:02 GMT -5
I just don't get this team. The offense is built on ball movement and they just don't do it for long stretches and just start chucking up a ton of rushed threes.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 23, 2017 19:27:52 GMT -5
Gotta be Coaching, right?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2017 19:31:00 GMT -5
No, but he should have called a timeout earlier. Thomas needs to get guys involved more. That pass to Horford is what they need more of.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2017 19:36:54 GMT -5
Two nice passes to KO by Thomas, keep it up. That technical was kinda weak, come on it's the Playoffs.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 23, 2017 20:23:27 GMT -5
At least we know not to pay Isaiah Max money Do you have High Blood pressure? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 23, 2017 20:25:06 GMT -5
At least we know not to pay Isaiah Max money Do you have High Blood pressure? Ha no, I wasn't actually even mad writing that. I'm a classic mush tho; you can pretty much bet that whatever I say in the moment the opposite will happen. He hasn't had a great series tho, thus far. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 23, 2017 20:27:38 GMT -5
Marcus Smart played the entire 4th quarter: 5 points (2-of-3 FG), 4 rebounds (3 offensive), 3 assists, 1 steal, 0 turnovers.
Plus did well guarding Butler
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 23, 2017 20:28:28 GMT -5
I just don't get this team. The offense is built on ball movement and they just don't do it for long stretches and just start chucking up a ton of rushed threes. They have many guys on that team who can't dribble for sh*t. Bradley, Crowder, Smart, Brown and Rozier are terrible handling the ball. Got to give some major props to Stevens for identifying that going small meant the Bulls could not play Portis/Mirotic along with Lopez because those are some awful defensive teams. Once Amir stopped playing, our rebounding issues went down dramatically which almost feels counterintuitive. That's a smart adjustment and one of the many reasons why President Stevens is a top 5 coach in the league. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 23, 2017 21:06:13 GMT -5
Just because you're a 6th man on a true contender doesn't mean you're great. So Cleveland's 6th man is great? Smart is a PG. So while his post D is great for a PG, that's not saying much. If his quickness and athletic ability wasn't an issue and he was excellent defender, why isn't he guarding Butler? He can't stay with him, that's why. Instead the use the smaller Bradley because at least he can stay with him. If you can't see this watching the games I don't know what to say to you. You have blinders on watching Smart. You only see his good plays like steals, blocks and hustle plays. All season long guys have driven by him. It's the same exact reason he can't drive to the basket on a regular basis. He doesn't have the quickness and athletic ability. You might not have watched today's 4th quarter then. He was virtually stuck on Butler all quarter. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 23, 2017 21:07:32 GMT -5
Marcus Smart played the entire 4th quarter: 5 points (2-of-3 FG), 4 rebounds (3 offensive), 3 assists, 1 steal, 0 turnovers. Plus did well guarding Butler Winning ballplayer Marcus Smart. Yet we have blinders. |
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 23, 2017 22:04:39 GMT -5
Marcus Smart played the entire 4th quarter: 5 points (2-of-3 FG), 4 rebounds (3 offensive), 3 assists, 1 steal, 0 turnovers. Plus did well guarding Butler Winning ballplayer Marcus Smart. Yet we have blinders. If you look at all the negatives and ignore the positives, you'd notice that he isn't very good and apparently hasn't progressed at all as a player. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 24, 2017 1:51:27 GMT -5
Winning ballplayer Marcus Smart. Yet we have blinders. If you look at all the negatives and ignore the positives, you'd notice that he isn't very good and apparently hasn't progressed at all as a player. He shows up in the most important games and most important moments in games too. He is what he is as a player but he's a big game player. He's one of the few players that showed up past year in the playoffs. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2017 3:52:46 GMT -5
Just because you're a 6th man on a true contender doesn't mean you're great. So Cleveland's 6th man is great? Smart is a PG. So while his post D is great for a PG, that's not saying much. If his quickness and athletic ability wasn't an issue and he was excellent defender, why isn't he guarding Butler? He can't stay with him, that's why. Instead the use the smaller Bradley because at least he can stay with him. If you can't see this watching the games I don't know what to say to you. You have blinders on watching Smart. You only see his good plays like steals, blocks and hustle plays. All season long guys have driven by him. It's the same exact reason he can't drive to the basket on a regular basis. He doesn't have the quickness and athletic ability. You might not have watched today's 4th quarter then. He was virtually stuck on Butler all quarter. I watched it. Did you watch the whole game? Smart was in no way virtually stuck on Butler all quarter, as Bradley, Crowder and Thomas guarded him more than Smart did. He drove on Smart twice, passed once and got a 3 point play. Butler was one for one against him for 3 points. Go back and watch the game, when Butler drove on Smart he got wherever he wanted the majority of the game. This against a guy that's a SG/SF and played SF for most of year. Smart block on Butler was after he blew by him, KO stopped him in the paint and Smart came from behind for a block. Nice play, it's what Smart does, makes the hustle plays and is great at being a help defender. He's a good defender overall, just not an elite one. Elite guys are Tony Allen, Rondo playing all out, Bradley guarding PGs. Go watch Bradley on a PG and you can see what stuck on looks like. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2017 4:12:17 GMT -5
Marcus Smart played the entire 4th quarter: 5 points (2-of-3 FG), 4 rebounds (3 offensive), 3 assists, 1 steal, 0 turnovers. Plus did well guarding Butler Winning ballplayer Marcus Smart. Yet we have blinders. I clearly said he helps the team and he does make winning plays. You can't overlook what he did for the rest of the game. The stupid turnover for a layup and then pushing Butler and changing the games momentum of the game and got the crowd going. Him flipping off fans a few games back. Yea great stuff. Then when Thomas picks up his 4th foul halfway through 3rd quarter, Smart tries acting like Thomas. Huge point in a close game and Smart goes 0-3, turning the ball over and keeps going one on one. Everyones keeps saying Smart has become a lot better at being a floor general, but that was just awful. It forced Thomas to come back in after like 3 mins with 4 fouls. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2017 4:30:07 GMT -5
Winning ballplayer Marcus Smart. Yet we have blinders. If you look at all the negatives and ignore the positives, you'd notice that he isn't very good and apparently hasn't progressed at all as a player. I think I'm the only one that actually looks at both. He can help you overall, but he has big flaws. You can say the same thing if you look at only the postives and ignore the negatives you think Smart is a great player has improved massively. You know 1st team defensive. This game is such a perfect example everyone is raving about the final 12 mins and forgetting about the other 21 minutes and his 0-4 for zero points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 turnovers. Overall he helped us tonight, but you have to look at the good and the bad. Which clearly isn't being done when only pointing to his 4th quarter. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 24, 2017 4:55:49 GMT -5
If you look at all the negatives and ignore the positives, you'd notice that he isn't very good and apparently hasn't progressed at all as a player. You know 1st team defensive. "So you think Smart is a great/excellent defender? For him to be that type of defender he needs to be able to contain players and I just don't see that. Mainly because he's not super quick and he's not a great athlete. I just don't see a lockdown defender, guys blow by him regularly." Lol ohh the irony. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 24, 2017 4:57:59 GMT -5
If you look at all the negatives and ignore the positives, you'd notice that he isn't very good and apparently hasn't progressed at all as a player. I think I'm the only one that actually looks at both. He can help you overall, but he has big flaws. Marcus Smart is a "bust." |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2017 5:37:46 GMT -5
You know 1st team defensive. "So you think Smart is a great/excellent defender? For him to be that type of defender he needs to be able to contain players and I just don't see that. Mainly because he's not super quick and he's not a great athlete. I just don't see a lockdown defender, guys blow by him regularly." Lol ohh the irony. Talk about talking something out of context. I was flipping what he said about me, to show the way you guys feel. I in no way feel Smart is a 1st team defender, like you guys do. He's good, not great. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2017 5:51:12 GMT -5
I think I'm the only one that actually looks at both. He can help you overall, but he has big flaws. Marcus Smart is a "bust." Again another comment taken out of context. I called him a bust as a 6th pick, not a total bust. You know this because there were a million comments on just that. If your happy with a 6th pick being a 6th man all the power to you. Never once did I say he was useless or a total bust. You wanna be like Rip and call him a useful player I won't argue that one bit. You wanna act like Smart is a great young player that's going to be great, I will argue that. I just want to know why you make fun of my having blinders on comment and then want to only talk about 12 of 33 minutes?  That's exactly what I'm talking about, the 3 of you just gave a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Sure he played well in the 4th quarter, but you have to look at the other 21 minutes. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2017 6:32:39 GMT -5
I was only really able to watch the 4th quarter due to family stuff. Game was on around me here and there and I was able to catch stretches. Like when I made the comment about Thomas and the lead leaving u hadn't seen real what happened just ones Thomas's number and watched him run over a guy on a break.
I think you're being unfair on Smarts 4th quarter defense on Butler. That 3 point play was great defense just unbelievable offense - guys like Butler do that. Smart was in front of him the entire way. There were also a couple other drives he couldn't get by him so he gave up the ball.
But yes you are right other guys also guarded him that quarter.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2017 6:35:15 GMT -5
Im fine with the 6th pick out of that draft being a sixth man sure... especially one who can play 25-30 a night at the ends of games with his defensive capabilities.
I think he irony of all this now is we kind of seem to be mostly on the same page - no one (that I'm aware) is projecting him as a starter or as a useless player so we kind of all agree. Some of us are just ok with that and some aren't I guess? I don't even know anymore.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2017 9:46:40 GMT -5
So I didn't see this part of the game but Smart getting into it with Butler up big on the road was a dumb play. He's young and emotional and with his intensity these things happen from time to time. It's an area he needs to clean up a bit without sacrificing what makes him so valuable. Draymond Green has this same problem but to a greater degree. He's also a much better player than Smart but he also cost his team a Title. Hopefully, this is a learning experience.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2017 17:59:02 GMT -5
We should be pumped up right now. 2-2 going back to Boston with all the momentum. Sure looks like we have a great chance at being the 6%. That's just not the same team without Rondo playing out of his mind good.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2017 6:54:36 GMT -5
After where we started I think everyone is pumped they are 2-2.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 26, 2017 19:45:47 GMT -5
I'm looking for a compete game start to finish here let's go
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