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Post by rjp313jr on May 24, 2017 21:17:59 GMT -5
Monetarily the Celtics can keep both of them if they want to if they are both on the roster at the end of next season. They have full bird rights for both. The issue is the need to move someone this year to sign a max guy. I'd rather that guy be Crowder but I can see how people can view things differently because of the Crowder contract. I can understand if all else were equal but having the four guards is a waste |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 24, 2017 23:06:13 GMT -5
I'd rather that guy be Crowder but I can see how people can view things differently because of the Crowder contract. I can understand if all else were equal but having the four guards is a waste I figured that Isaah is only here next year and Fultz is basically a devolving piece that gets limited minutes anyways. So after next year it'd be Fultz, Bradley, and Smart. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 24, 2017 23:59:47 GMT -5
You just don't give Fultz limited minutes, that's just not how to develop a young player of his caliber. You also don't just keep Thomas for a year and let him leave. If you want to keep Fultz, Bradley and Smart. Than just trade Thomas this offseason. You could get a lot for him, rather than just letting him leave.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 25, 2017 7:26:51 GMT -5
If you treat Fultz as a 4th guard you are going to retard his growth. Treating as a third guard is already against normal tradition although I think it's actually beneficial to him just like I think Browns situation was to him this year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 25, 2017 7:29:49 GMT -5
Yeah, if worse comes to worse I guess I'm trading Isaah and maybe taking a step back to take a giant step forward in the future. Might risk losing Hayward if you trade Isaah though because he might look at it and say that the Celtics aren't serious about being competitive in the short term if they are trading away their best player from this past year....
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Post by wcp3 on May 25, 2017 8:58:18 GMT -5
Lonzo Ball refusing to work out for the Celtics. I think we can put to bed the supposed debate about who the Celts will be drafting.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 25, 2017 12:01:37 GMT -5
So the deadline to pull out of draft was last night. Only 3 players seen as top 37 type prospects pulled out. Hamidou Diallo, Omer Yurtseven, and Moritz Wagner. So overall it remains a very deep draft as yet again a ton of players that should have stayed in school left school early. On the flip side there are going be good players at pick 37 and there could even be some interesting players at picks 53 and 56.
With Jordan Bell rising into first round on a ton of mocks, Cameron Oliver PF Nevada is my new favorite pick for 37. I just fear just like Bell he will rise up draft boards. He's basically a better version of Ben Bentil, just a much better rebounder, defender and shot blocker. The knock is he's undersized at 6'8'', but he has a 7'1.25'' wingspan and is a great athlete. He's basically a modern day PF like Draymond Green.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 25, 2017 15:33:11 GMT -5
Yabusele may only be 6'8" but he is a big muscular dude, nothing like Big Baby. Bulit more like a defensive end. Looking forward to seeing what he can do.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 25, 2017 16:32:26 GMT -5
Height is important, but wingspan is almost just as important. It's what allowed Barkley to be an all time great PF while being 6'6''. He had a wingspan of around 7'. Yabu has a wingspan of almost 7'2''. So with his mass, I don't see height as an issue. If he gets in shape and can increase his ups, he might be able to play center like Sullinger due to his wide body.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 25, 2017 18:03:40 GMT -5
Lonzo Ball refusing to work out for the Celtics. I think we can put to bed the supposed debate about who the Celts will be drafting. There was never really a debate, him and Fultz are on different levels as prospects. |
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Post by texs31 on May 25, 2017 18:43:58 GMT -5
Been trying to find an upgrade to Johnson and I'm struggling to find one that intersts me and would fit capwise (assuming we get Hayward). I like the idea of some of the 2nd rounders UMASS mentioned but I was excited about Mickey too so . . . Came across a name from the past. I guess Ekpe Udoh tore it up in Europe. The theory is that he flopped first time around bc he was too small to play C and not athletic enough to play PF. As things have changed a bit, might he fit better? Worth a flier? May cost more than vet minimum so you'd have to use part of an exception on him. Otherwise, you might just be bringing AJ back and hoping 1 of the stashes beats him out?  |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 25, 2017 19:17:41 GMT -5
I think a trade is better to try and get our vet big we need. As to Mickey only thing I can think of is his offense is so bad they don't want to play him. That along with his motor questions and his feel for game. That being said the guy can rebound, defend and block shots. It's kind of puzzling as his skills are just what we need. He did very well in D league, yet they give him almost no playing time. I've almost given up on him, then I go read his scouting report and he sounds like Jordan Bell. He was the best player playing 5 on 5 at combine with his D, rebounding and shot blocking. Has a huge wingspan, good athlete and good lateral quickness, which allow him to guard multiple positions and guards on perimeter.
Which is why I really like Cameron Oliver. If they won't play an all D no offense guy, then maybe they want more offense. Something Oliver can do better than Mickey ever could.
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Post by texs31 on May 25, 2017 19:58:39 GMT -5
I haven't started looking at trade options yet. I keep wanting to like Okafor bc Bradley would be a perfect fit for Philly (style wise though his Timeline might be a bit off).
Would save about 4mn. Plus KOs 7 is enough for Hayward.
But JO doesn't do the things we need a big to do (rebound and defend).
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Post by jmei on May 25, 2017 20:14:33 GMT -5
Just throwing names out there, but Kenneth Faried or Derrick Favors come to mind as trade options. Jonas Valanciunas and Nikola Vucevic might be available, but aren't as good of a fit. Maybe Gorgui Dieng?
In free agency, Nerlens Noel and Taj Gibson come to mind.
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Post by texs31 on May 25, 2017 20:33:55 GMT -5
I'm just not sure how you fit those guys if we're configuring a team that is creating space for Hayward.
At that point, you'd have to match salaries and we can't do that without giving up too much.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 25, 2017 20:35:58 GMT -5
Well if you get Hayward, I don't see how you get Noel or Gibson. I'm not against Okafor, but you need a strong defensive PF to pair him with. I still think he has upside. I like Faried, him and Crowder would be the all hair club. All of those trade options are very interesting.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 25, 2017 20:38:46 GMT -5
Well it was a nice season. You did all you could Celtics, it was a great year overall.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 25, 2017 20:59:15 GMT -5
Proud of this team, such a great group of guys. Add Fultz, get Hayward, trade Bradley or Smart + Crowder for a competent big, make other small smart moves and take the Cavs head on against next year.
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Post by wcp3 on May 26, 2017 13:26:14 GMT -5
Favors is probably the best option for a short-term big man. He's been passed in the depth chart, so they might be able to get him for cheap too.
Ideally Zizic becomes the long-term answer at center, but Favors would be a nice option for a year or so.
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