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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2017 21:44:20 GMT -5
Wow Crowder just wow... I can't wait for your ass to be sitting on the bench when this team is better.
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Post by telluricrook on May 23, 2017 21:45:54 GMT -5
Crowder can rot in Hell...
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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2017 21:47:47 GMT -5
Crowder can rot in Hell... Haha... he can be a very nice rotational player who's not playing in crunch time |
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Post by telluricrook on May 23, 2017 21:58:32 GMT -5
Wow Crowder just wow... I can't wait for your ass to be sitting on the bench when this team is better. I hope he isnt here next year! He doesnt wanna be here. He doesnt even look interested. He was such a tough guy for a couple seasons and then after the Hayward BS he started to feel sorry for himself and put on the puppy dog face. |
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Post by telluricrook on May 23, 2017 22:00:16 GMT -5
Crowder got jacked for some reason too. Why the hell would he do that? All he does is shoot 3's and cut to the basket form time to time! There is no reason for him to bulk up!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 24, 2017 3:20:10 GMT -5
Wow Crowder just wow... I can't wait for your ass to be sitting on the bench when this team is better. He's probably the one getting traded this off-season. He has a nice contract, but he's ideally a bench player on a really good team. Celtics got to find cap space for a max free agent somewhere. That and the fact that if Hayward comes here, Crowder becomes really redundant. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 24, 2017 7:02:52 GMT -5
Wow Crowder just wow... I can't wait for your ass to be sitting on the bench when this team is better. He's probably the one getting traded this off-season. He has a nice contract, but he's ideally a bench player on a really good team. Celtics got to find cap space for a max free agent somewhere. That and the fact that if Hayward comes here, Crowder becomes really redundant. Not really... one of the guards would need to be traded if they draft Fultz and need cap space. Crowder can be a great part of the team as a bench player playing less minutes a night depending on the match ups. I hate on him for the role he has to play not because he isn't a good player in the right situation. He just really sucked in the fourth last night. |
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Post by texs31 on May 24, 2017 7:30:58 GMT -5
Agreed.
Dropping from 32MPG in 72 starts to, say, 17-20MPG as your upgrade on Jonas Jerebko (who played 15.8MPG over 78 games - 6 starts) would be a pretty good thing (as long as he "handles the demotion").
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 24, 2017 7:41:50 GMT -5
He's probably the one getting traded this off-season. He has a nice contract, but he's ideally a bench player on a really good team. Celtics got to find cap space for a max free agent somewhere. That and the fact that if Hayward comes here, Crowder becomes really redundant. Not really... one of the guards would need to be traded if they draft Fultz and need cap space. Crowder can be a great part of the team as a bench player playing less minutes a night depending on the match ups. I hate on him for the role he has to play not because he isn't a good player in the right situation. He just really sucked in the fourth last night. The Celtics have the Frenchman coming over from Europe (I keep forgetting his name) and they have Brown at the small forward position. Plus they're trying to add Hayward. The small forward position is about to be really crowded. I'm keeping the depth at the guard position because it's the best part of this team imo. Crowder's production is more replaceable. |
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Post by thebogeyman on May 24, 2017 8:20:14 GMT -5
Not really... one of the guards would need to be traded if they draft Fultz and need cap space. Crowder can be a great part of the team as a bench player playing less minutes a night depending on the match ups. I hate on him for the role he has to play not because he isn't a good player in the right situation. He just really sucked in the fourth last night. The Celtics have the Frenchman coming over from Europe (I keep forgetting his name) and they have Brown at the small forward position. Plus they're trying to add Hayward. The small forward position is about to be really crowded. I'm keeping the depth at the guard position because it's the best part of this team imo. Crowder's production is more replaceable. Yabusele (the Frenchman) is technically listed as a PF, I believe, despite being 6'8". He will likely replace Mickey or Johnson. I wouldn't have a problem getting rid of Rozier. He just doesn't seem to have the ability to beat guys cleanly and drive to the net. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 24, 2017 8:28:23 GMT -5
The Celtics have the Frenchman coming over from Europe (I keep forgetting his name) and they have Brown at the small forward position. Plus they're trying to add Hayward. The small forward position is about to be really crowded. I'm keeping the depth at the guard position because it's the best part of this team imo. Crowder's production is more replaceable. Yabusele (the Frenchman) is technically listed as a PF, I believe, despite being 6'8". He will likely replace Mickey or Johnson. I wouldn't have a problem getting rid of Rozier. He just doesn't seem to have the ability to beat guys cleanly and drive to the net. 6'8" PF? I guess I can see that. Even still, getting Hayward makes the SF position redundant. Ohh and I'd get rid of Rozier if worst comes to worst but I suppose you could carry him as a DNP player most nights and not dress him unless there is a injury. |
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Post by thebogeyman on May 24, 2017 8:30:11 GMT -5
Yabusele (the Frenchman) is technically listed as a PF, I believe, despite being 6'8". He will likely replace Mickey or Johnson. I wouldn't have a problem getting rid of Rozier. He just doesn't seem to have the ability to beat guys cleanly and drive to the net. 6'8" PF? I guess I can see that. Even still, getting Hayward makes the SF position redundant. Ohh and I'd get rid of Rozier if worst comes to worst but I suppose you could carry him as a DNP player most nights and not dress him unless there is a injury. Think French Big Baby :-). |
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Post by texs31 on May 24, 2017 8:32:00 GMT -5
As for Zizic and Yabu, I don't think you build the '17-'18 team with them in mind as rotational players. They can EARN those spots, certainly, but you'd probably want to have vets in place first.
I'd argue the same could be true for Fultz. In my mind, I'm slotting him in as the backup PG (pending on what happens with Avery Bradley). If (When) he earns more, fantastic. But young guys typically do have learning curves.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 24, 2017 8:33:03 GMT -5
6'8" PF? I guess I can see that. Even still, getting Hayward makes the SF position redundant. Ohh and I'd get rid of Rozier if worst comes to worst but I suppose you could carry him as a DNP player most nights and not dress him unless there is a injury. Think French Big Baby :-). Lol, I'm hoping for more than big baby but yeah I can see the comp. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 24, 2017 8:36:32 GMT -5
Keeping Fultz, Bradley, Isaiah and Smart is just silliness. You need to play the number 1 overall pick and none of the others should be a fortieth guard. Rozier is perfect for that role.
With Hayward (SF/PF) and Brown (SG/SF) there is still room for Crowder (SF/PF) to get meaningful minutes and help the team more than keeping a guy as a fourth guard. Crowder contract makes him even more perfect for that. 3 more cheap years as a bench players is money much more well spent than extending all 3 of the others at big money and making one of them a fourth guard. You don't pay a fourth guard big dollars.
Yabusele is a fair Crowder positional comparison but so what? He's a rookie - he will take a Jerebko type role and if he grows into it and looks great then awesome you can look to trade Crowder down they road.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 24, 2017 8:41:26 GMT -5
What it comes down to for me is keeping Bradley and Smart. Sure these guys aren't superstars but they are sure bets to be there defensively every night, even if their offense is not there. Also, their ages are still in a good range in order to want to extend these players.
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Post by ctfisher on May 24, 2017 9:00:44 GMT -5
What it comes down to for me is keeping Bradley and Smart. Sure these guys aren't superstars but they are sure bets to be there defensively every night, even if their offense is not there. Also, their ages are still in a good range in order to want to extend these players. Realistically though one of those guys is going- smarts an RFA after next season, bradleys unrestricted and is probably in line for at least $20m, and that's not even considering whether or not you want the option to keep Isaiah, wherever you come down on that. I'd also be shocked if some team didn't throw a pretty big offer sheet at Marcus to mess with us if nothing more |
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Post by texs31 on May 24, 2017 9:03:05 GMT -5
Can't help but feel it's coming down to one of those guys though.
IT - Between his status on the team, pending Free Agency, injury, etc, you just can't trade him unless you're willing to take less value and a "PR hit"
TR - If you're spending money at the top of the roster, you need cheaper options coming off the bench. An improving rotational player with Cap Hits of $1.9Mn and $3Mn before hitting RFA is critical for cap management.
JB - Don't think we need to explain why you keep him.
So you're down to Crowder, Bradley and Smart to trade for some combination of space and/or upgrade at the other starting big position (next to Horford).
Crowder at 7-8Mn hits for the next 3 years is huge as a starting option (now if injuries hit) or as a guy who can defend 2-4 and hit 3s (usually).
Bradley is the best combination of O and D but I do find it interesting how much Danny has been willing to answer the question about IT and Fultz playing together without ONCE saying "Hey, you know we have this guy named Avery Bradley, who is the starting SG, right?" Probably making too much out of GM Speak (or non-speak, in this case) but . . .
Smart, if you believe the rumors, has been a part of trade packages (as discussed by reasonable sources) for a couple of years now. He's the toughest to place a value on and his greatest asset is mental not physical really. He doesn't move the cap space needle as much as Bradley but his ideal spot is PG and with Thomas and Fultz likely locks (at least for next year) I'm starting to believe he might be odd man out.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 24, 2017 9:03:48 GMT -5
What it comes down to for me is keeping Bradley and Smart. Sure these guys aren't superstars but they are sure bets to be there defensively every night, even if their offense is not there. Also, their ages are still in a good range in order to want to extend these players. Realistically though one of those guys is going- smarts an RFA after next season, bradleys unrestricted and is probably in line for at least $20m, and that's not even considering whether or not you want the option to keep Isaiah, wherever you come down on that. I'd also be shocked if some team didn't throw a pretty big offer sheet at Marcus to mess with us if nothing more There's got to be a way to keep both players even if you have 2 max contracts though. I wouldn't be surprised if someone messes up a Smart offer however and you could be right about that. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 24, 2017 9:08:31 GMT -5
Between both Smart and Bradley, if you have to lose one, that's really tough. Smart seems like he could have hit a ceiling in terms of potential even if he's 22 or 23 now but yet he is still SO young.
Bradley is the best combo player on this roster arguably.
What a tough decision that is and either one will probably infuriate me if they had to trade one.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 24, 2017 9:36:03 GMT -5
What did Crowder do that was so bad? I missed most of 4th Quarter.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 24, 2017 11:18:31 GMT -5
I just find the hate for Crowder unwarranted. The guy was second in points last night, lead team in rebounds and had 4 assists. All while shooting 50% from field. He's not perfect, but he is hardly the reason we lost. How about max money Horford getting 4 rebounds or Smart going 1 for 9 from field, with only 1 rebound. Even everyones favorite Brown, while he had a nice point total, he had zero rebounds, assists, steals or blocks in 20 minutes.
Overall really no reason to be upset. They played hard and that's all you can ask for. They made the Cavs win, rather than just handing them the game like in the first two games.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 24, 2017 20:07:12 GMT -5
Crowder had a stretch of 3 or 4 possessions when the game was still tight that gave the game away. The first of which was us down 6 (I think) and he literally jumped and threw the ball out of bounds bc he wasn't thinking and was out of control. Early in the clock too. I like Crowder... as a bench player.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 24, 2017 20:09:41 GMT -5
Realistically though one of those guys is going- smarts an RFA after next season, bradleys unrestricted and is probably in line for at least $20m, and that's not even considering whether or not you want the option to keep Isaiah, wherever you come down on that. I'd also be shocked if some team didn't throw a pretty big offer sheet at Marcus to mess with us if nothing more There's got to be a way to keep both players even if you have 2 max contracts though. I wouldn't be surprised if someone messes up a Smart offer however and you could be right about that. Monetarily the Celtics can keep both of them if they want to if they are both on the roster at the end of next season. They have full bird rights for both. The issue is the need to move someone this year to sign a max guy. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 24, 2017 20:23:17 GMT -5
There's got to be a way to keep both players even if you have 2 max contracts though. I wouldn't be surprised if someone messes up a Smart offer however and you could be right about that. Monetarily the Celtics can keep both of them if they want to if they are both on the roster at the end of next season. They have full bird rights for both. The issue is the need to move someone this year to sign a max guy. I'd rather that guy be Crowder but I can see how people can view things differently because of the Crowder contract. |
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