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Post by bosox on Oct 7, 2016 16:28:34 GMT -5
Sad to say I am not surprised. Team is just carrying over issues from poor end of season performance. It's not necessarily true as to how you play at the end of the season that it carries into the post-season, but from the time they blew that Yankee clincher, they seemed to sleep walk thru the rest of the season, blew the HFA and have continued to play like crap. It reminds of the 1988 season when the Sox played a bunch of exhausting series in September and built up a big enough lead that when the air came out of the balloon they were able to barely hang on and win the division and then they had nothing left for the playoffs against a superior Oakland team. This post-season and ending of the season has that feel. It's like the Sox peaked too soon. Agreed. In addition, it seemed like Xander, JBJ and Leon all went into pumpkin status offensively.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 7, 2016 16:29:47 GMT -5
Pitiful Price.
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Post by dirtdog on Oct 7, 2016 16:30:49 GMT -5
Hate to say this and it will sound overly simplistic but seems like the team may have peaked on the eleven game win streak. Almost like they let off the gas and have not been able to get the intensity level back. 2013 team peaked at the right time. Happens all the time in sports.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 7, 2016 16:34:32 GMT -5
Watching Kluber go to work there made me think again about the Price contract and the difference between them. F*** life.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Oct 7, 2016 16:36:57 GMT -5
"He has good stuff" the amazing Carl Willis
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 16:37:15 GMT -5
Look on the bright side. At least we get to look forward to Dombrowski trading Devers, Kopech, and Moncada for a mid-rotation arm this offseason.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 7, 2016 16:37:48 GMT -5
Hate to say this and it will sound overly simplistic but seems like the team may have peaked on the eleven game win streak. Almost like they let off the gas and have not been able to get the intensity level back. 2013 team peaked at the right time. Happens all the time in sports. I think that 2013 team was pretty consistent though, and they were a ballsy team, not exactly underachievers. This team isn't the same. It's a better talented team, but I don't trust this team as much. I think part of this is do you have faith in THIS team? I really don't, although when Hanley hit that big homer I thought maybe this team is finally going to be the juggernaut we think they can be, but in that last week of the season they reverted to being what they were all season, an aggravating tease. So it comes down to do you believe they will come back? Honestly at this point seeing what I'm seeing, I think there's a pretty good possibility the season ends on Sunday.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Oct 7, 2016 16:38:32 GMT -5
Hate to say this and it will sound overly simplistic but seems like the team may have peaked on the eleven game win streak. Almost like they let off the gas and have not been able to get the intensity level back. 2013 team peaked at the right time. Happens all the time in sports. Except that I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. In fact, you could make a fairly strong case that the Red Sox were actually better in the previous 12 games (despite only going 7-5) than they were during the 11 game win streak. The best team rarely wins the World Series.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 7, 2016 16:40:15 GMT -5
It's not over guys, you gotta stay with it to the bitter end, if that is what ends up. Even if they lose today, it's not over. Remember 2004. I didn't think that 04 team would pull off the miracle, but that team was a ballsier team than this one, at least I think so, FWIW. I mean yeah the Sox can win three in a row, but what's to stop Cleveland from winning one more game this series? It's certainly not the Red Sox pitching staff, and the lineup hasn't really hit in some time. What the 2004 team did was way more improbable than this team winning today or 3 games in a row. I think the larger point is that you have to win one at a time. This team is fully capable of doing that.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Oct 7, 2016 16:42:11 GMT -5
Look on the bright side. At least we get to look forward to Dombrowski trading Devers, Kopech, and Moncada for a mid-rotation arm this offseason. Unfortunately I agree. When you look at what Toronto gave up to get J. A. Happ and Francisco Liriano, and compare it to what Trader Dave gave up for Price and Pomeranz, it makes this series really sting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 16:44:02 GMT -5
Not to sound too cheesy, but this Indians team seems to have a little more of that "magic" this year, kind of like what the Sox had in 2013. It's hard to compete with that.
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Post by ianrs on Oct 7, 2016 16:44:20 GMT -5
I know we're in a tough spot, but its still only the 3rd inning in game 2. This team will not stop fighting.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 7, 2016 16:45:34 GMT -5
Leon thought Ricky Henderson was running. he had all the time in the world to make a better throw.
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Post by dirtdog on Oct 7, 2016 16:45:46 GMT -5
Hate to say this and it will sound overly simplistic but seems like the team may have peaked on the eleven game win streak. Almost like they let off the gas and have not been able to get the intensity level back. 2013 team peaked at the right time. Happens all the time in sports. I think part of this is do you have faith in THIS team? I really don't, Not really. Other than certain parts of the season the team really never worked on all cylinders at the same time.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 7, 2016 16:46:47 GMT -5
Nobody but a group of sox fans give up on a season 11 innings into the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 16:46:50 GMT -5
Look on the bright side. At least we get to look forward to Dombrowski trading Devers, Kopech, and Moncada for a mid-rotation arm this offseason. Unfortunately I agree. When you look at what Toronto gave up to get J. A. Happ and Francisco Liriano, and compare it to what Trader Dave gave up for Price and Pomeranz, it makes this series really sting. Oh, and let's not forget the overpriced free agent whose prime years are beind him.
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Post by klostrophobic on Oct 7, 2016 16:47:07 GMT -5
I know we're in a tough spot, but its still only the 3rd inning in game 2. This team will not stop fighting. Yeah this thread is very cringey. This team is capable of scoring 4 runs in an inning without a sweat. And Price has been terrible but he can easily go 4 more innings without giving up a run.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Oct 7, 2016 16:48:09 GMT -5
I know we're in a tough spot, but its still only the 3rd inning in game 2. This team will not stop fighting. I agree. But Betts, Bogaerts and Bradley are a combined 0 for 14. The problem isn't lack of effort or intensity; if anything it's too much effort. This team is clearly pressing. It happens.
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Post by bookiemetts on Oct 7, 2016 16:49:54 GMT -5
Just pointing out this team has the best offense in the league and have 18 outs left...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 7, 2016 16:50:29 GMT -5
I didn't think that 04 team would pull off the miracle, but that team was a ballsier team than this one, at least I think so, FWIW. I mean yeah the Sox can win three in a row, but what's to stop Cleveland from winning one more game this series? It's certainly not the Red Sox pitching staff, and the lineup hasn't really hit in some time. What the 2004 team did was way more improbable than this team winning today or 3 games in a row. I think the larger point is that you have to win one at a time. This team is fully capable of doing that. What the 04 Red Sox did was downright miraculous. Not only were they down 3 games to 0, they trailed in the 9th inning of Game 4. I guess they could have made two more outs to push it as far as you could possibly go, but they pulled off the comeback of all comebacks. Like I said it comes down to - is this a special team that can rally when things are at its most bleak? I don't think this team can. If you believe that THIS 2016 team can, then yeah you think they can. They certainly have the talent to come back and win. I just don't think they have what it takes to do it. I still see them flailing away at curveballs. I see their top starters disappointing, and if the Indians win this game going away they might wind up getting two days of rest for Allen and Miller thereby setting themselves up to limit Game 3 to a 5 inning game for their starter while the Red Sox go with the always questionable Clay Buchholz. That doesn't bring out the warm fuzzies in me.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 7, 2016 16:51:35 GMT -5
I know we're in a tough spot, but its still only the 3rd inning in game 2. This team will not stop fighting. Yeah this thread is very cringey. This team is capable of scoring 4 runs in an inning without a sweat. And Price has been terrible but he can easily go 4 more innings without giving up a run. Sounds good. I dare them to do it.
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Post by dnfl333 on Oct 7, 2016 16:52:09 GMT -5
Hate to be that guy, but that's probably the season. Don't have the confidence in this team that they can dig themselves out of a hole similar to the '04, '07 and '13 teams. Just a more talented team that is way too streaky and entered the playoffs absolutely deflated. Should have played for the homefield advantage, but hey, it is what it is. I know what you mean. This team is an underachieving team. They are so talented, but there's something missing - something that you feel inside you, but can't put into some numerical context. For one wonderful 11 game period when Hanley took Betances deep I felt that they could translate their talent onto the field, but then when they lost to the Yankees in that awful clincher it started to feel like it was all season long, a very good team that's missing what is needed to win games when they really, really have to. The Manager must go. I'm not saying down 0 2 is any of Farrell's fault. In the same breathe when you say or anyone says "missing something" that my friend is on the Manager..
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Post by dirtdog on Oct 7, 2016 16:54:33 GMT -5
04 team was in a worse spot but also had Pedro and Schilling as one and one A. I dont feel like like Porcello and Price are close to being in their league particularly when it comes to mental toughness.
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Post by dnfl333 on Oct 7, 2016 16:55:40 GMT -5
Hate to say this and it will sound overly simplistic but seems like the team may have peaked on the eleven game win streak. Almost like they let off the gas and have not been able to get the intensity level back. 2013 team peaked at the right time. Happens all the time in sports. I think that 2013 team was pretty consistent though, and they were a ballsy team, not exactly underachievers. This team isn't the same. It's a better talented team, but I don't trust this team as much. I think part of this is do you have faith in THIS team? I really don't, although when Hanley hit that big homer I thought maybe this team is finally going to be the juggernaut we think they can be, but in that last week of the season they reverted to being what they were all season, an aggravating tease. So it comes down to do you believe they will come back? Honestly at this point seeing what I'm seeing, I think there's a pretty good possibility the season ends on Sunday. What did the 2013 Team have? You know what they had, 2 Aces. You know what the best Team this Season in BB has? Lester and Lackey. It starts with proven commodities. Boston had 2, now 31 mill invested in a stiff
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 7, 2016 16:55:42 GMT -5
I know what you mean. This team is an underachieving team. They are so talented, but there's something missing - something that you feel inside you, but can't put into some numerical context. For one wonderful 11 game period when Hanley took Betances deep I felt that they could translate their talent onto the field, but then when they lost to the Yankees in that awful clincher it started to feel like it was all season long, a very good team that's missing what is needed to win games when they really, really have to. The Manager must go. I'm not saying down 0 2 is any of Farrell's fault. In the same breathe when you say or anyone says "missing something" that my friend is on the Manager.. I'm not a Farrell fan, but sometimes it really is on the players. They are the ones pressing. They are the ones swinging at curveballs they have no clue how to hit, and they are the ones giving up the homers.
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