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2016-2017 Red Sox Offseason (Non-Manager) Discussion
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Post by thursty on Dec 6, 2016 21:15:38 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere, but it's all but certain that Koji's stint with the Red Sox is over (DD all but said that)
I just wanted to comment that I enjoyed his 4 months of essentially perfect pitching in 2013 as the most fun I've ever had watching a pitcher. I can remember screaming at the TV to urge Farrell to bring him in in the 7th inning like every other game; blowing hitters away with an 89 mph 'heater'
I'd love for him to become a Red Sox pitching coach; if he could just teach one pitcher his split-change . . .
Thanks Koji
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Dec 6, 2016 21:23:31 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere, but it's all but certain that Koji's stint with the Red Sox is over (DD all but said that) I just wanted to comment that I enjoyed his 4 months of essentially perfect pitching in 2013 as the most fun I've ever had watching a pitcher. I can remember screaming at the TV to urge Farrell to bring him in in the 7th inning like every other game; blowing hitters away with an 89 mph 'heater' I'd love for him to become a Red Sox pitching coach; if he could just teach one pitcher his split-change . . . Thanks Koji I second this. Easily one of my favorite Red Sox players ever which is even more impressive considering how relatively short his time here was.
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 6, 2016 21:25:43 GMT -5
All in all I'd say today was a pretty solid day for the Sox. Losing Moncada and Kopech sucks, but for Chris Sale, we could have lost more. I'd say it was a pretty fair trade.
I expect Thornburg to be a solid reliever for us. Having him, Kelly, Kimbrel, and mid-season Smith, the bullpen is looking pretty good.
And I could see Moreland being a good platoon option at 1B.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 6, 2016 22:09:10 GMT -5
Buchholz for Danny Valencia and a lottery ticket prospect would make sense for both teams. He will have value to a few teams, Washington, Seattle, Cubs, StL, Mets, and maybe Miami (if they actually think they're going to contend). If they open the bidding onERod there will be opportunity for very significan return and 20 or more teams will be in play. I can't see them opening the season with four lefty starters, but stranger things have halpened.
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Post by jmei on Dec 6, 2016 22:27:24 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere, but it's all but certain that Koji's stint with the Red Sox is over (DD all but said that) I just wanted to comment that I enjoyed his 4 months of essentially perfect pitching in 2013 as the most fun I've ever had watching a pitcher. I can remember screaming at the TV to urge Farrell to bring him in in the 7th inning like every other game; blowing hitters away with an 89 mph 'heater' I'd love for him to become a Red Sox pitching coach; if he could just teach one pitcher his split-change . . . Thanks Koji I second this. Easily one of my favorite Red Sox players ever which is even more impressive considering how relatively short his time here was. Amen. He's been my favorite player since he joined the team.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 6, 2016 22:41:15 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere, but it's all but certain that Koji's stint with the Red Sox is over (DD all but said that) I just wanted to comment that I enjoyed his 4 months of essentially perfect pitching in 2013 as the most fun I've ever had watching a pitcher. I can remember screaming at the TV to urge Farrell to bring him in in the 7th inning like every other game; blowing hitters away with an 89 mph 'heater' I'd love for him to become a Red Sox pitching coach; if he could just teach one pitcher his split-change . . . Thanks Koji Well said. The Red Sox only have a criteria of having a player play for the team for 3 seasons to be a Red Sox Hall of Famer. I hope to see Koji back one day accepting that honor that would be well deserved. I never enjoyed a reliever more than I enjoyed Koji in 2013.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 7, 2016 2:19:05 GMT -5
Adding Chris Sale to an already formidable roster has turned the Red Sox into baseball's version of the Golden State Warriors, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman quipped shortly after the seismic trade that rattled the Winter Meetings on Tuesday afternoon.
"That's a big one. That's a blockbuster," Cashman said. "It was a 'Wow.' Obviously they gave up a lot and they got a lot. Boston's like the Golden State Warriors now in baseball; they've got their [Kevin] Durant, their [Draymond] Green, [Klay] Thompson and [Stephen] Curry. It's a big one." m.mlb.com/news/article/210490280/brian-cashman-on-red-sox-adding-chris-sale/
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Post by artfuldodger on Dec 7, 2016 7:15:39 GMT -5
Could anyone please post where the Red Sox payroll is currently? I would also be interested over the next three years.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 7, 2016 8:35:56 GMT -5
Could anyone please post where the Red Sox payroll is currently? I would also be interested over the next three years. B-Ref gives a pretty easy to use reference compiling salaries and likely arbitration totals: www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2016-payroll-salaries.shtmlFor 2017 they show $178.3M in committed payroll with an estimated payroll of $204.3M. For what it's worth, the future payrolls are based on Price not opting out.
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Post by preston on Dec 7, 2016 11:30:59 GMT -5
How concerned should we be about organizational depth? I feel like the team is a few unlucky injuries away from being a slightly better version of the 2016 Chicago White Sox.
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Post by nomar on Dec 7, 2016 11:35:16 GMT -5
How concerned should we be about organizational depth? I feel like the team is a few unlucky injuries away from being a slightly better version of the 2016 Chicago White Sox. I struggle to see how we won't have a better bullpen, which was our biggest issue. Our offense will definitely score a lot of runs too, and we have insane rotation depth and quality. If we end up like the 2016 White Sox it would be the most extensively injury riddled team of all time.
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Post by preston on Dec 7, 2016 11:49:19 GMT -5
How concerned should we be about organizational depth? I feel like the team is a few unlucky injuries away from being a slightly better version of the 2016 Chicago White Sox. I struggle to see how we won't have a better bullpen, which was our biggest issue. Our offense will definitely score a lot of runs too, and we have insane rotation depth and quality. If we end up like the 2016 White Sox it would be the most extensively injury riddled team of all time. It was an exaggeration but Pablo's production is an unknown at this point, Pedroia is no spring chicken, JBJ is very streaky, Ortiz is gone, and freak injuries or adjustment periods for younger players happen. The team is very good on paper but if they have to rely on Holt, Hernandez, Castillo, and/or Marrero for an extended period of time then it could get ugly. Maybe it's confirmation bias but depth always seems to come up big in playoff runs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2016 12:02:57 GMT -5
How concerned should we be about organizational depth? I feel like the team is a few unlucky injuries away from being a slightly better version of the 2016 Chicago White Sox. Our pitching depth is great. We still have Swihart, Travis and Hernandez for in season depth. I don't think we're anything like the White Sox. We have a much better team, filled with great young players and a lot more depth than they ever had. I would like to see some 3B depth, unless DD feels Hernandez is that guy.
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Post by jmei on Dec 7, 2016 12:08:24 GMT -5
The position player depth chart lacks high-upside prospects, but it's not totally barren, either. I think they'll still look to add another bench piece (ideally a right-handed hitter who can spell Sandoval and Moreland versus LHP-- Trevor Plouffe? Juan Uribe? Danny Valencia?), and a bench of that guy, Holt and Young is fairly strong. In AAA, that'd give them Sam Travis at 1B/DH, Marco Hernandez in the infield, Blake Swihart at C/OF and Rusney Castillo in the outfield.
The most worrisome spot looks to be the outfield. Young is going to be penciled in at DH versus LHP, so he's not really part of the OF depth chart. Holt is an OK fill-in, but his bat doesn't play as well in a corner outfield spot, which is doubly true for Swihart. I'm still a believer in Rusney Castillo being a useful fourth outfielder, but if they really want to stay below the luxury tax limit this year, they basically can't call him up for a sustained stretch of time.
Long-term, outfield in the system is crazy-weak. If you count Longhi as a 1B, I don't know that I see a single major league regular in the organization at OF.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 7, 2016 12:41:48 GMT -5
The position player depth chart lacks high-upside prospects, but it's not totally barren, either. I think they'll still look to add another bench piece (ideally a right-handed hitter who can spell Sandoval and Moreland versus LHP-- Trevor Plouffe? Juan Uribe? Danny Valencia?), and a bench of that guy, Holt and Young is fairly strong. In AAA, that'd give them Sam Travis at 1B/DH, Marco Hernandez in the infield, Blake Swihart at C/OF and Rusney Castillo in the outfield. The most worrisome spot looks to be the outfield. Young is going to be penciled in at DH versus LHP, so he's not really part of the OF depth chart. Holt is an OK fill-in, but his bat doesn't play as well in a corner outfield spot, which is doubly true for Swihart. I'm still a believer in Rusney Castillo being a useful fourth outfielder, but if they really want to stay below the luxury tax limit this year, they basically can't call him up for a sustained stretch of time. Long-term, outfield in the system is crazy-weak. If you count Longhi as a 1B, I don't know that I see a single major league regular in the organization at OF. A few weeks ago DD said Swihart would be used exclusively at catcher. We have three young athletic starting outfielders. Hopefully no significant time will be missed. We also have a serious trade chip if necessary with three cost controlled catchers. Speaking of trade chips, I believe Elias is out of options and unlikely to clear waivers. Also, I don't know if this qualifies as tampering but recently Mattingly expressed an interest in Koji and Tazawa (the Tazawa part).
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 7, 2016 12:44:43 GMT -5
A few weeks ago DD said Swihart would be used exclusively at catcher. We have three young athletic starting outfielders. Hopefully no significant time will be missed. We also have a serious trade chip if necessary with three cost controlled catchers. Speaking of trade chips, I believe Elias is out of options and unlikely to clear waivers. Also, I don't know if this qualifies as tampering but recently Mattingly expressed an interest in Koji and Tazawa (the Tazawa part). Tazawa is a free agent.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2016 12:50:28 GMT -5
Clay sure seems like the guy to trade, mostly because they need to remove his salary to stay under luxury tax. Have to think they could get some OF help for the minors and depth for major league club.
The interesting guy for me though is Wright. In this market, if teams believed last year wasn't a fluke. I wonder what we could get for him. I wouldn't trade him unless we got a good offer, but you might be able to get just that in this market.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 7, 2016 13:08:27 GMT -5
A few weeks ago DD said Swihart would be used exclusively at catcher. We have three young athletic starting outfielders. Hopefully no significant time will be missed. We also have a serious trade chip if necessary with three cost controlled catchers. Speaking of trade chips, I believe Elias is out of options and unlikely to clear waivers. Also, I don't know if this qualifies as tampering but recently Mattingly expressed an interest in Koji and Tazawa (the Tazawa part). Tazawa is a free agent. My bad, I was thinking he had one year left and wasn't mentioned on non-tender day. Also I don't have a source but from a post at another site by a reputable poster, the Sox made an offer to Koji but he wanted time to think it over and told them he would understand if they moved on. That offer was rescinded after the Thornburg trade..
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Post by Coreno on Dec 7, 2016 13:14:07 GMT -5
The position player depth chart lacks high-upside prospects, but it's not totally barren, either. I think they'll still look to add another bench piece (ideally a right-handed hitter who can spell Sandoval and Moreland versus LHP-- Trevor Plouffe? Juan Uribe? Danny Valencia?), and a bench of that guy, Holt and Young is fairly strong. In AAA, that'd give them Sam Travis at 1B/DH, Marco Hernandez in the infield, Blake Swihart at C/OF and Rusney Castillo in the outfield. Give me Trevor Plouffe or Jae Gyun Hwang on like a 2 or 3 year deal for 3 or 4M a year.
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Post by telluricrook on Dec 7, 2016 13:26:38 GMT -5
There should definitely be room for koji n this team!
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Post by nomar on Dec 7, 2016 13:40:40 GMT -5
The position player depth chart lacks high-upside prospects, but it's not totally barren, either. I think they'll still look to add another bench piece (ideally a right-handed hitter who can spell Sandoval and Moreland versus LHP-- Trevor Plouffe? Juan Uribe? Danny Valencia?), and a bench of that guy, Holt and Young is fairly strong. In AAA, that'd give them Sam Travis at 1B/DH, Marco Hernandez in the infield, Blake Swihart at C/OF and Rusney Castillo in the outfield. Give me Trevor Plouffe or Jae Gyun Hwang on like a 2 or 3 year deal for 3 or 4M a year. Hwang's nimbers do not inspire me at all. Marco Hernandez may be just as good already.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 7, 2016 13:48:52 GMT -5
How concerned should we be about organizational depth? I feel like the team is a few unlucky injuries away from being a slightly better version of the 2016 Chicago White Sox. Looking really thin except for pitching. There isn't any OF depth unless Castillo miraculously improves. There isn't much deep IF depth either. I hope Devers has a big year and be ready by September, but I wouldn't count on that. It's a huge concern.
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Post by Coreno on Dec 7, 2016 14:02:43 GMT -5
Give me Trevor Plouffe or Jae Gyun Hwang on like a 2 or 3 year deal for 3 or 4M a year. Hwang's nimbers do not inspire me at all. Marco Hernandez may be just as good already. I'm not expecting him to be a superstar, but I really think we need a right handed bat that can play 3rd. Pablo, Brock, Marco are all LHH. I think Hwang could be a solid player on both sides of the ball. After trading Shaw and Moncada, they need a stopgap 3B until Devers is ready. They may already have him in Sandoval, but I dont think anyone is 100% sold on him being that guy. I think they need more options to be able to weed through and try and find that bridge to Devers.
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Post by nomar on Dec 7, 2016 14:05:25 GMT -5
Hwang's nimbers do not inspire me at all. Marco Hernandez may be just as good already. I'm not expecting him to be a superstar, but I really think we need a right handed bat that can play 3rd. Pablo, Brock, Marco are all LHH. I think Hwang could be a solid player on both sides of the ball. After trading Shaw and Moncada, they need a stopgap 3B until Devers is ready. They may already have him in Sandoval, but I dont think anyone is 100% sold on him being that guy. I think they need more options to be able to weed through and try and find that bridge to Devers. I agree on the need, but we've seen people with much better numbers from that league do pretty poorly. We'd probably be better off trying to find the next Holt from someone's system that should be ready at some point this year.
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Post by Coreno on Dec 7, 2016 14:41:24 GMT -5
I'm not expecting him to be a superstar, but I really think we need a right handed bat that can play 3rd. Pablo, Brock, Marco are all LHH. I think Hwang could be a solid player on both sides of the ball. After trading Shaw and Moncada, they need a stopgap 3B until Devers is ready. They may already have him in Sandoval, but I dont think anyone is 100% sold on him being that guy. I think they need more options to be able to weed through and try and find that bridge to Devers. I agree on the need, but we've seen people with much better numbers from that league do pretty poorly. We'd probably be better off trying to find the next Holt from someone's system that should be ready at some point this year. They just traded him to Milwaukee. As far as the likelihood of Hwang's success, I have to disagree. Who has come from Korea and really stunk it up? You could make a case for Byung Ho Park or maybe Dae Ho Lee. But I'm not sure I would completely write off either of them based off a half season's worth of at bats. Both of them seem to be a bit similar in that they hit for decent power, but struggled to maintain any sort of K/BB ratio similar to the ones they had in Asia. It will be interesting to see if that continues or if they are able to adjust to the American game going forward. They are also interesting cases because Lee is probably past his prime, and Park is with Minnesota, a team notorious for screwing up swings/approaches. Jung Ho Kang* and Hyun Soo Kim seem to be doing alright for themselves, though. *In regards to baseball performance only.
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