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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 10, 2017 10:25:50 GMT -5
... drops tonight on MLB Network.
Always found it interesting that MLB Network covered the BA list. It'd be like if ESPN had people from Sports Illustrated come on or something. They're not in direct competition, but there's an arm of the former that's definitely competing with the latter.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 10, 2017 11:45:09 GMT -5
True but on the other hand Baseball America in particular has to be good for the MLB brand, it's not something they'd want to discourage.
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Post by gerry on Feb 10, 2017 11:58:08 GMT -5
... drops tonight on MLB Network. Always found it interesting that MLB Network covered the BA list. It'd be like if ESPN had people from Sports Illustrated come on or something. They're not in direct competition, but there's an arm of the former that's definitely competing with the latter. MLB likely, and rightly, sees itself as the big tent, with room for everyone. I have heard soxprospects mentioned in discussions. Anything that promotes understanding of the game strengthens the game.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 10, 2017 12:22:59 GMT -5
Yeah, interesting, but certainly not nonsensical. Kind of refreshing actually.
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Post by nomar on Feb 10, 2017 14:38:48 GMT -5
Agreed, I actually like that. Good for all parties.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 11, 2017 20:36:01 GMT -5
Actually Callis and Mayo serve the same general purpose as well. It's more like they are working together for this particular facet, not competing.
Did we jump the gun on the timing of the show ?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 12, 2017 9:27:32 GMT -5
1. Andrew Benintendi of, Red Sox Hit: 70. Power: 60. Speed: 55. Fielding: 60. Arm: 50. ETA: 2017. 2. Yoan Moncada 2b/3b, White Sox Hit: 60. Power: 60. Speed: 70. Fielding: 50. Arm: 70. ETA: 2017.18. Rafael Devers 3b, Red Sox Hit: 60. Power: 60. Speed: 40. Fielding: 55. Arm: 60. ETA: 2018. 21. Anderson Espinoza rhp, Padres Fastball: 70. Changeup: 70. Curveball: 60. Control: 55. ETA: 2019.24. Manuel Margot of, Padres Hit: 60. Power: 40. Speed: 60. Fielding: 70. Arm: 55. ETA: 2017.32. Michael Kopech rhp, White Sox Fastball: 80. Slider: 60. Changeup: 45. Control: 45. ETA: 2018.43. Jason Groome lhp, Red Sox Fastball: 70. Curveball: 60. Changeup: 45. Control: 50. ETA: 2020. www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-top-100-prospects/#cxQhYVmQyz7tJiBe.97
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 12, 2017 12:32:48 GMT -5
I don't know that I'd give Devers and Moncada the same grade on the hit tool. I think Devers>Moncada there.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 12, 2017 12:46:04 GMT -5
Is Devers really that slow? Thought he was faster than a 40 grade with speed.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 12, 2017 15:14:22 GMT -5
I don't know that I'd give Devers and Moncada the same grade on the hit tool. I think Devers>Moncada there. That's one of the tough things about switch-hitters. From the left side I think I might give 'em both 60s. From the right side (meaning Moncada's right vs. Devers left, obv), I'd agree with you, I think.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 12, 2017 18:27:29 GMT -5
Don't remember seeing that many 70 grades even on individual attributes lately.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 12, 2017 18:40:30 GMT -5
I also think Groome's curveball could be way more than a 60 grade. That's a little conservative, I think it could be a lot higher than that.
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Post by bluechip on Feb 12, 2017 18:57:07 GMT -5
1. Andrew Benintendi of, Red Sox Hit: 70. Power: 60. Speed: 55. Fielding: 60. Arm: 50. ETA: 2017. 2. Yoan Moncada 2b/3b, White Sox Hit: 60. Power: 60. Speed: 70. Fielding: 50. Arm: 70. ETA: 2017.18. Rafael Devers 3b, Red Sox Hit: 60. Power: 60. Speed: 40. Fielding: 55. Arm: 60. ETA: 2018. 21. Anderson Espinoza rhp, Padres Fastball: 70. Changeup: 70. Curveball: 60. Control: 55. ETA: 2019.24. Manuel Margot of, Padres Hit: 60. Power: 40. Speed: 60. Fielding: 70. Arm: 55. ETA: 2017.32. Michael Kopech rhp, White Sox Fastball: 80. Slider: 60. Changeup: 45. Control: 45. ETA: 2018.43. Jason Groome lhp, Red Sox Fastball: 70. Curveball: 60. Changeup: 45. Control: 50. ETA: 2020. www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-top-100-prospects/#cxQhYVmQyz7tJiBe.97We can now say that Benintendi is pretty much universally regarded as the top prospect, right? It would have been pretty cool to have the BA number 1 and number 2 prospect.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 12, 2017 22:36:38 GMT -5
1. Andrew Benintendi of, Red Sox Hit: 70. Power: 60. Speed: 55. Fielding: 60. Arm: 50. ETA: 2017. 2. Yoan Moncada 2b/3b, White Sox Hit: 60. Power: 60. Speed: 70. Fielding: 50. Arm: 70. ETA: 2017.18. Rafael Devers 3b, Red Sox Hit: 60. Power: 60. Speed: 40. Fielding: 55. Arm: 60. ETA: 2018. 21. Anderson Espinoza rhp, Padres Fastball: 70. Changeup: 70. Curveball: 60. Control: 55. ETA: 2019.24. Manuel Margot of, Padres Hit: 60. Power: 40. Speed: 60. Fielding: 70. Arm: 55. ETA: 2017.32. Michael Kopech rhp, White Sox Fastball: 80. Slider: 60. Changeup: 45. Control: 45. ETA: 2018.43. Jason Groome lhp, Red Sox Fastball: 70. Curveball: 60. Changeup: 45. Control: 50. ETA: 2020. www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-top-100-prospects/#cxQhYVmQyz7tJiBe.97We can now say that Benintendi is pretty much universally regarded as the top prospect, right? It would have been pretty cool to have the BA number 1 and number 2 prospect. I believe we still have BP and Fangraphs yet to weigh in but BA is pretty much the gold standard anymore. At this point I'd pretty much agree with that sentiment.
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Post by ryan24 on Feb 13, 2017 6:17:57 GMT -5
We can now say that Benintendi is pretty much universally regarded as the top prospect, right? It would have been pretty cool to have the BA number 1 and number 2 prospect. I believe we still have BP and Fangraphs yet to weigh in but BA is pretty much the gold standard anymore. At this point I'd pretty much agree with that sentiment. Groome and AE both rated with fastballs at 70. Looking at both and the size difference you would not think that. Not saying they are wrong, Will AE be able to maintain the fastball over a full game over a full season
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Post by xycosis on Feb 13, 2017 6:58:10 GMT -5
At the end of the program, they highlighted all the Red Sox former and current prospects in the top 50. Said if they didn't make all those trades, it would've been the greatest farm system of all time.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 13, 2017 7:29:13 GMT -5
I don't know that I'd give Devers and Moncada the same grade on the hit tool. I think Devers>Moncada there. That's one of the tough things about switch-hitters. From the left side I think I might give 'em both 60s. From the right side (meaning Moncada's right vs. Devers left, obv), I'd agree with you, I think. Yeah, that's a good point ... plus, I think I suffer from the same bias as you: seems like every time I've seen Devers, he's just crushed the ball. So, my impression based solely on personal experience would be of a baby-faced, Dominican Ted Williams.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 13, 2017 9:06:25 GMT -5
lol, they called him The Splendid Splinter for a reason.
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Post by azblue on Feb 13, 2017 12:06:31 GMT -5
Actually Callis and Mayo serve the same general purpose as well. It's more like they are working together for this particular facet, not competing. Did we jump the gun on the timing of the show ? Callis left BA in 2013 and now works for the MLB Network.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 13, 2017 12:38:54 GMT -5
Actually Callis and Mayo serve the same general purpose as well. It's more like they are working together for this particular facet, not competing. Did we jump the gun on the timing of the show ? Callis left BA in 2013 and now works for the MLB Network. I figured people would realize that when I grouped him with Mayo.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 13, 2017 12:40:00 GMT -5
From an addendum piece by BA, outside the Top 100: Shortstop Upper: Mauricio Dubon (Brewers). If you’re a talented shortstop in the upper minors, you’re probably not going to get overlooked. Dubon is a high risk to move from shortstop to second base, but he’s a 22-year-old middle infielder with a sharp eye for the strike zone who hit .339/.371/.538 in 62 games last year for Double-A Portland before the Red Sox traded him to Milwaukee in December. Read more at www.baseballamerica.com/minors/beyond-top-100-breakout-prospects-every-position/#9owq0x551RJDqLMW.99
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 13, 2017 13:32:06 GMT -5
At the end of the program, they highlighted all the Red Sox former and current prospects in the top 50. Said if they didn't make all those trades, it would've been the greatest farm system of all time. It was and is an embarrassment of riches. Hopefully it brings a championship or 2 in the future. I know it has been discussed at length here but I am sure we all hope for the trades to work in the Sox favor. IMO they have the roster to be dominant in all phases of the game. Thanks in large part to that farm system that would be the greatest of all time.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 14, 2017 10:03:18 GMT -5
Apparently Baseball America was just purchased by the owner of the Royals AAA affiliate and Giants AA affiliate, Gary Green. Hopefully their excellent coverage will continue.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 14, 2017 11:02:50 GMT -5
I don't know that I'd give Devers and Moncada the same grade on the hit tool. I think Devers>Moncada there. That's one of the tough things about switch-hitters. From the left side I think I might give 'em both 60s. From the right side (meaning Moncada's right vs. Devers left, obv), I'd agree with you, I think. I feel like way too many guys switch hit that shouldn't. Their switch hitting splits are terrible
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Post by mattpicard on Feb 14, 2017 11:25:00 GMT -5
Apparently Baseball America was just purchased by the owner of the Royals AAA affiliate and Giants AA affiliate, Gary Green. Hopefully their excellent coverage will continue. Here's the official release from BA: www.baseballamerica.com/business/baseball-america-purchased-group-led-alliance-baseball/#ietFZK3G0pBcUef2.97Excerpt: The release doesn't shy away from mentioning that Alliance (via subsidiaries) owns two minor league clubs, although they don't have any explicit assurances about it not impacting their coverage. I don't think it's a big deal though -- the ownership of two affiliates of two separate organizations, and not ownership stakes in any actual MLB organizations themselves, seems relatively harmless.
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