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2017 Draft Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 9, 2017 12:07:04 GMT -5
So after doing some research I would be really happy to get a Romero, Canning, Peterson or Hiura. Those are 3 really good college arms and a great college bat. They all have good ceilings, but also fairly safe players.
Peterson sounds a lot like Brian Johnson, just he has that really good slidder.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 9, 2017 12:59:52 GMT -5
Heimluch draft status is dropping significantly after news the last few days...
Someone asked Callis about Heimlich's draft status.. Here is Callis' response...
Badly. Have had multiple teams tell me they won't draft Heimlich. Very hard for team get behind NCAA ERA leader after today's news.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2017 13:07:38 GMT -5
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Post by juanpena on Jun 9, 2017 13:09:05 GMT -5
Definitely NOT the assistant for the Blue Jays. The Cherington drafts were a disaster (until Benintendi came along at least). 2012 looks bad, but maybe Johnson and/or one of the righty relievers can salvage something from it. 2013 was godawful, but 2014 COULD wind up being a really good draft. Kopech has already had real value, bringing back Sale, and Travis has made the majors, and should be there for good starting next year. Chavis is blasting his way back onto the prospect map, Ockimey and Kemp are a long way away but have a shot to make it, and Jalen Beeks, even if he is just a reliever at the major-league level, could be a great sleeper pick.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 9, 2017 13:10:13 GMT -5
I really like Brent Rooker from Miss St, he put up gaudy numbers in the SEC, is well put together, and has a pretty RH swing.
Led the SEC in nearly every significant offensive category.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 9, 2017 13:10:51 GMT -5
For any KATOH fans, here are the top 250 college draft prospects according to this statistical methodology. Of note, Griffin Canning, David Peterson, and Tanner Houck rank #2, #3, and #5, respectively and could potentially be available at #24 (although Canning and Peterson I'd consider unlikely, Houck more 50/50). Heimlich ranks #4, although KATOH does not properly weight sex offenses (not funny). Also of note, our 18th round pick from just last year, Trevor Stephan, is ranked at #13!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 9, 2017 13:13:30 GMT -5
Any team that drafts him will have a PR nightmare on there hands. It will be interesting to see if he even gets drafted. Our society can forgive a bunch of stuff like drunk driving, stealing things, heck even punching a women in the face. One thing that won't be forgiven is what he did to a young girl.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 9, 2017 13:20:01 GMT -5
Any team that drafts him will have a PR nightmare on there hands. It will be interesting to see if he even gets drafted. Our society can forgive a bunch of stuff like drunk driving, stealing things, heck even punching a women in the face. One thing that won't be forgiven is what he did to a young girl. Who is this regarding?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2017 13:22:23 GMT -5
Definitely NOT the assistant for the Blue Jays. The Cherington drafts were a disaster (until Benintendi came along at least). 2012 looks bad, but maybe Johnson and/or one of the righty relievers can salvage something from it. 2013 was godawful, but 2014 COULD wind up being a really good draft. Kopech has already had real value, bringing back Sale, and Travis has made the majors, and should be there for good starting next year. Chavis is blasting his way back onto the prospect map, Ockimey and Kemp are a long way away but have a shot to make it, and Jalen Beeks, even if he is just a reliever at the major-league level, could be a great sleeper pick. Well, let's be clear here: If we're going to talk about the GM and the draft, you're talking about the first round, maybe second. The GM isn't going to have granular input into, say, the fifth-round pick at any significant level. You're talking the scouting director at that point.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 9, 2017 13:24:48 GMT -5
Any team that drafts him will have a PR nightmare on there hands. It will be interesting to see if he even gets drafted. Our society can forgive a bunch of stuff like drunk driving, stealing things, heck even punching a women in the face. One thing that won't be forgiven is what he did to a young girl. Who is this regarding? www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2017/06/luke_heimlich_sex_crime_surfac.html
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 9, 2017 13:30:29 GMT -5
Thanks, I thought you were talking about Rooker, and I couldn't find anything mentioning anything like that about him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 9, 2017 13:40:03 GMT -5
2012 looks bad, but maybe Johnson and/or one of the righty relievers can salvage something from it. 2013 was godawful, but 2014 COULD wind up being a really good draft. Kopech has already had real value, bringing back Sale, and Travis has made the majors, and should be there for good starting next year. Chavis is blasting his way back onto the prospect map, Ockimey and Kemp are a long way away but have a shot to make it, and Jalen Beeks, even if he is just a reliever at the major-league level, could be a great sleeper pick. Well, let's be clear here: If we're going to talk about the GM and the draft, you're talking about the first round, maybe second. The GM isn't going to have granular input into, say, the fifth-round pick at any significant level. You're talking the scouting director at that point. Is that really true? I just find that hard to believe that a GM doesn't have massive say on who gets drafted after first two rounds. I could see him handing over the picks after the 15th or 20th round, but not after the second. The scouting director has a huge amount of influence, but I have to believe the GM has final say. Nevermind like last year, taking the below slot guys in top 10 rounds to go over slot for Groome. That has to be the GM right? I get baseball is different in how many players get picked. At the same time if Belichick can scout 500-1,000 players for NFL draft and make every pick. I just don't see how a baseball GM only has really input on the top 2 picks.
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 9, 2017 13:47:01 GMT -5
Think we would offer him slot or a little under? Can't imagine he'd make any meaningful contribution next year if he went back to school since his TJ suregery was in early/mid May I believe.He was being talked about around 10-18 range prior to injury if I recall so a little less than pick 24 money wouldn't be bad.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 9, 2017 13:51:19 GMT -5
With regards to Brent Rooker, this is how his Junior year in the SEC compares to Andrew Benintendi’s junior year the season before the Sox drafted him:
Player AVG GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SLG% BB SO OB% SB-ATT Brent Rooker .395 65 243 57 96 30 3 23 82 .827 45 54 .498 18-23 Andrew Benintendi .376 65 226 62 85 13 2 20 57 .717 50 32 .488 24-28
Also, it should be noted, that Rooker was a redshirt junior this year, and was 1 year & 8 months older than Benintendi was during their respective junior seasons, Benintendi is only 4 months older than Rooker.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2017 13:51:48 GMT -5
Yes, it's really true. www.espn.com/blog/the-gms-office/insider/post?id=185And so forth, with many more examples that are essentially the same. Keep in mind, in the NFL, the universe of players is VASTLY smaller, especially if you consider the international market as well. The NFL draft also leads to players who are going to be on the roster tomorrow, whereas a drafted player is likely 2-5 years away, a year if you hit a home run on a college guy in the first round.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2017 13:52:41 GMT -5
With regards to Brent Rooker, this is how his Junior year in the SEC compares to Andrew Benintendi’s junior year the season before the Sox drafted him: Player AVG GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SLG% BB SO OB% SB-ATT Brent Rooker .395 65 243 57 96 30 3 23 82 .827 45 54 .498 18-23 Andrew Benintendi .376 65 226 62 85 13 2 20 57 .717 50 32 .488 24-28 Also, it should be noted, that Rooker was a redshirt junior this year, and was 1 year & 8 months older than Benintendi was during their respective junior seasons, Benintendi is only 4 months older than Rooker. Benintendi was a sophomore when he was drafted.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 9, 2017 14:08:54 GMT -5
With regards to Brent Rooker, this is how his Junior year in the SEC compares to Andrew Benintendi’s junior year the season before the Sox drafted him: Player AVG GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SLG% BB SO OB% SB-ATT Brent Rooker .395 65 243 57 96 30 3 23 82 .827 45 54 .498 18-23 Andrew Benintendi .376 65 226 62 85 13 2 20 57 .717 50 32 .488 24-28 Also, it should be noted, that Rooker was a redshirt junior this year, and was 1 year & 8 months older than Benintendi was during their respective junior seasons, Benintendi is only 4 months older than Rooker. Benintendi was a sophomore when he was drafted. Thanks, I forgot about that, he seemed too young to be a junior. So this comparison is Benintendi's draft year as a sophmore and Rooker's as a junior.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2017 14:30:52 GMT -5
And keep in mind that Rooker is a redshirt junior, so there's two years' difference, really.
And one's a center fielder and the other's a first baseman.
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Post by juanpena on Jun 9, 2017 14:38:10 GMT -5
2012 looks bad, but maybe Johnson and/or one of the righty relievers can salvage something from it. 2013 was godawful, but 2014 COULD wind up being a really good draft. Kopech has already had real value, bringing back Sale, and Travis has made the majors, and should be there for good starting next year. Chavis is blasting his way back onto the prospect map, Ockimey and Kemp are a long way away but have a shot to make it, and Jalen Beeks, even if he is just a reliever at the major-league level, could be a great sleeper pick. Well, let's be clear here: If we're going to talk about the GM and the draft, you're talking about the first round, maybe second. The GM isn't going to have granular input into, say, the fifth-round pick at any significant level. You're talking the scouting director at that point. Fair enough, but let's hope the third baseman Cherington is remembered for is Chavis, not Sandoval. :-)
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2017 15:16:47 GMT -5
Well, let's be clear here: If we're going to talk about the GM and the draft, you're talking about the first round, maybe second. The GM isn't going to have granular input into, say, the fifth-round pick at any significant level. You're talking the scouting director at that point. Fair enough, but let's hope the third baseman Cherington is remembered for is Chavis, not Sandoval. :-) Other than the 2013 Championship, I remember Cherington for leaving one of the best farm systems ever for Dombrowksi to trade most of it away.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 9, 2017 15:43:39 GMT -5
With regards to Brent Rooker, this is how his Junior year in the SEC compares to Andrew Benintendi’s junior year the season before the Sox drafted him: Player AVG GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SLG% BB SO OB% SB-ATT Brent Rooker .395 65 243 57 96 30 3 23 82 .827 45 54 .498 18-23 Andrew Benintendi .376 65 226 62 85 13 2 20 57 .717 50 32 .488 24-28 Also, it should be noted, that Rooker was a redshirt junior this year, and was 1 year & 8 months older than Benintendi was during their respective junior seasons, Benintendi is only 4 months older than Rooker. You have to love the year Rooker just had. That being said there have to be major concerns it was a fluke. As JJ Cooper said on the podcast College bats are what teams love in first round. Yet Rooker is ranked between late forties all the way to 91 overall by Keith Law. There's also the average to below average D at 1B. Also per Keith Law his age is a big concern, as there are currently 4 players in majors that are younger than him. I look at his 2016 stats, along with his profile and see a guy similar to Sam Travis with less of a track record. Then you have 2017 where he's older but he just dominates the SEC. I would take the 4 college guys I listed earlier before I took Rooker at 24. He seems more like a target in second round. Mainly because he's a 1b/DH type with only one year of great performance that is older.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 9, 2017 15:56:00 GMT -5
Yes, it's really true. www.espn.com/blog/the-gms-office/insider/post?id=185And so forth, with many more examples that are essentially the same. Keep in mind, in the NFL, the universe of players is VASTLY smaller, especially if you consider the international market as well. The NFL draft also leads to players who are going to be on the roster tomorrow, whereas a drafted player is likely 2-5 years away, a year if you hit a home run on a college guy in the first round. That blows my mind. The GM only really scouts the first pick. I never expected he would be involved in all picks. Just way to many players for that, but only 5-10 players for first pick seems crazy low.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 9, 2017 16:04:01 GMT -5
I hear you but think about the time commitment and travel that would be needed to scout say 15-20 players. The GM just doesn't have that kind of time available.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 9, 2017 16:07:30 GMT -5
meadowparty.com/blog/2017/06/09/klawchat-6917/Jim: Do you think the Mets would take Jake Burger at 20? And do you think he’s too fat for third? Keith Law: I think he’d be on their list, but not necessarily their first choice, and he’s not fat, but he’s going to end up at 1b. ... cj: Can you tell me about Bubba Thomson? Is he a potential top 10 so a team can go overslot later? Keith Law: Not a potential top 10. I have him ranked right around where I think he’ll go (coincidence), in the 20s. ... Ed: Is Pearson’s stock getting too high for him to fall to the Cubs? Keith Law: I have heard Nate Pearson has a deal in the 21-26 range.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2017 16:08:14 GMT -5
Well, consider that this spring, during the final, intense looks at these guys, the GM is busy running the team. Even most of the showcases and all of the college summer leagues happen over the summer. Even the draft itself is smack in the middle of the season.
There is little-to-no baseball to scout during the MLB offseason. It makes sense, then, that you'd have to put someone else in charge of that.
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