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Post by sopaulking on Jan 13, 2013 11:22:11 GMT -5
Would we be able to get anywhere close to the return Seattle was willing to give up for Upton?
Granted Ellsbury is older and only one year remaining till he hits free agency, but anything close to that and I'd say see ya later.
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Post by jmei on Jan 13, 2013 12:32:12 GMT -5
No. Ellsbury is older, on a much less valuable contract, worse, riskier, and more injury-prone. There is no chance he nets Walker, let alone the rest of the package.
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Post by bentossaurus on Jan 14, 2013 13:07:58 GMT -5
You could probably net something like Hultzen straight up for Ellsbury. Add a few minor pieces and get Smoak while you're at it. I'd pull the trigger.
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Post by dstape10 on Jan 14, 2013 15:13:56 GMT -5
Long time reader of the site, first time poster. Couldn't we trade Jacoby for some prospects to Mariners ( Hultzen and Smoak like bentossaurus says) then move those pieces + a few good prospects besides Bradley or Xander (Barnes, Cecchini, etc.) for Mr. Upton. Mariners get some local talent they can afford to re-sign, Arizona gets high end talent to replace Upton, and we get the big fish. |
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Post by sopaulking on Jan 14, 2013 17:18:35 GMT -5
We are on Uptons no trade list, not going to happen.
My Original post was just a thought about possibly making the farm system even strong by moving a player that we are going to lose at the end of the year.
The Mets got Zach Wheeler out of the Giants for Beltran at the deadline!!
You can never have too much pitching. Especially young cost controllable pitching.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 14, 2013 17:54:27 GMT -5
Long time reader of the site, first time poster. Couldn't we trade Jacoby for some prospects to Mariners ( Hultzen and Smoak like bentossaurus says) then move those pieces + a few good prospects besides Bradley or Xander (Barnes, Cecchini, etc.) for Mr. Upton. Mariners get some local talent they can afford to re-sign, Arizona gets high end talent to replace Upton, and we get the big fish. Hypothetically, if the Mariners had Jacoby and the Red Sox were looking to trade for him, would you give up Barnes to get that one year, because the Red Sox can afford to re-sign him? I think the thing I'll miss most about Jacoby are these "Seattle will clearly gleefully abandon all rational measures of player value because a guy was born one state over" trade proposals. Truly, classics of the genre. |
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Post by jdb on Jan 14, 2013 19:49:41 GMT -5
I think Ells is here to at least July. Heck why wouldn't the Ms just sign Bourne.
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Post by bentossaurus on Jan 14, 2013 20:31:46 GMT -5
Long time reader of the site, first time poster. Couldn't we trade Jacoby for some prospects to Mariners ( Hultzen and Smoak like bentossaurus says) then move those pieces + a few good prospects besides Bradley or Xander (Barnes, Cecchini, etc.) for Mr. Upton. Mariners get some local talent they can afford to re-sign, Arizona gets high end talent to replace Upton, and we get the big fish. Hypothetically, if the Mariners had Jacoby and the Red Sox were looking to trade for him, would you give up Barnes to get that one year, because the Red Sox can afford to re-sign him? I think the thing I'll miss most about Jacoby are these "Seattle will clearly gleefully abandon all rational measures of player value because a guy was born one state over" trade proposals. Truly, classics of the genre. Taking into account the fact that Mariners have been having some troubles luring hitters to play at Safeco and have plenty of other SP prospects. A big yes! |
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Post by bluechip on Jan 15, 2013 0:50:02 GMT -5
We are on Uptons no trade list, not going to happen. Just because Upton refused to his no trade clause to Seattle, does not mean that he will refuse to waive it to come to Boston. I feel that Upton will not come to Boston because Boston lacks the pieces Arizona wants. |
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Post by tjb21 on Jan 15, 2013 14:59:28 GMT -5
We are on Uptons no trade list, not going to happen. Normally, not always, players will put teams on their "no-trade list", because they either really don't want to play there or they can force a big time payday by a big market club. I think Boston is on his no-trade list because Upton knows he could get a huge payday the second he got traded to a team like Boston. Someone with more baseball smarts than me (most of you) can correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 15, 2013 19:55:51 GMT -5
Taking into account the fact that Mariners have been having some troubles luring hitters to play at Safeco and have plenty of other SP prospects. A big yes! "You should sell me this house for half it's market value; after all, you own TWO houses." |
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Post by dstape10 on Jan 15, 2013 20:11:05 GMT -5
Mariners have shown a willingness to trade some of those prospects for a big time outfielder. Jacoby being from the area just adds fans in the stand which equals money in the owners pockets. Sox could wait until trade-deadline and try for a Zac Wheeler for Beltran move. I personally believe they could get more now and use that in addition to other prospects to make play for Upton.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 15, 2013 20:32:59 GMT -5
Mariners have shown a willingness to trade some of those prospects for a big time outfielder. Jacoby being from the area just adds fans in the stand which equals money in the owners pockets. Sox could wait until trade-deadline and try for a Zac Wheeler for Beltran move. I personally believe they could get more now and use that in addition to other prospects to make play for Upton. What does that have to do with Jaboby Ellsbury? And again, the regional connection thing is just ridiculous. How much money could that possibly be worth to the Mariners? It probably doesn't cover Ellsbury's per diem. |
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 16, 2013 19:40:02 GMT -5
With the Morse trade today, the M's may be considering many options. Ellsbury? Not sure about that, but there could be the makings of a BIG trade here. The M's moved Jaso in that trade for Morse. Why is that important you ask?
Their catching is NOW in bad shape. We have catchers......boy do we have catchers.....especially with word coming out that it finally looks like Napoli is going to sign.
Could Salty or Lavrnaway be interesting to them? I think so. We all love their young pitching. Could there be some fire there? Yes even Ellsbury could be part of an even bigger trade. I can think three young pitchers not named Felix that would pretty good in red.
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Post by jmei on Jan 16, 2013 20:07:09 GMT -5
Unlikely. Seattle traded Jaso to clear space for Montero and Mike Zunino, two of their better young players. I have no idea why they'd be interested in a one-year rental of a league-average catcher whose one strength (power) is depressed at Safeco (Saltalamacchia) or a worse version of a player they already have (Lavarnway), and they're certainly unlikely to send back any top-tier pitching prospects.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Jan 17, 2013 7:02:29 GMT -5
What would seem more likely if the M's WERE interested in a catcher, is Salty for Carp. Sox could use the 1B/OF LH bat, and if the M's wanted a catcher Salty is one of the better ones available.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 17, 2013 15:43:24 GMT -5
Unlikely. Seattle traded Jaso to clear space for Montero and Mike Zunino, two of their better young players. I have no idea why they'd be interested in a one-year rental of a league-average catcher whose one strength (power) is depressed at Safeco (Saltalamacchia) or a worse version of a player they already have (Lavarnway), and they're certainly unlikely to send back any top-tier pitching prospects. But they have a lot of them! Surely that means they're looking to give one away for a much less valuable player... |
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