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Post by dmaineah on Jun 5, 2017 9:53:10 GMT -5
This team needs another Bat. If Seattle falls completely out of it in the next 30 days maybe the Red Sox can get Cruz.
This is what he is owed; 2017 36yrs Seattle Mariners $14,250,000 2018 37yrs Seattle Mariners $14,250,000
JBJ for Cruz
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Post by costpet on Jun 5, 2017 10:16:30 GMT -5
Like it. Benny to center. Take me on a Sea Cruz.
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Post by rookie13 on Jun 5, 2017 10:48:28 GMT -5
I don't hate this idea, but I wouldn't do it. Bradley's had a rough go so far this season, but over the last two weeks he has a 173 WRC+, so he seems to be heating up. Not to mention his defense is as good as ever.
I wouldn't mind Cruz, but not at the expense of JBJ.
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Post by natesp4 on Jun 5, 2017 12:20:47 GMT -5
2017 JBJ bWAR: 1.9 2017 Cruz bWAR: 1.6
2017 JBJ salary: $3,600,000 2017 Cruz salary: $14,250,00
JBJ is about 10 years younger, is making just under $11 million less than Cruz, and is under team control through 2020. Obviously bWAR is not a perfect tell-all stat, but in a season in which JBJ has struggled with the bat, he's still been just about of equal value to Cruz. As rookie13 points out, he's also heated up quite a bit over the two weeks.
Your point is that the Sox need another hitter, which is fair and Cruz meets the necessity. However, trying to make that upgrade in the outfield would make the team marginally better if at all while losing a very solid asset in JBJ. I'm also a little confused of where you would have Cruz playing as he's played 50 games as a DH for the Mariners in 2017. Regardless, 3B and infield depth is such a black hole that I would be only focusing on that if I were DD.
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 5, 2017 12:27:39 GMT -5
I'd take Cruz over Hanley. Over JBJ? Absolutely not.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 5, 2017 15:00:25 GMT -5
Nelson Cruz is a DH only at this point.
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Jun 5, 2017 15:41:30 GMT -5
Maybe if they take panda too and send something to the Phillies because I feel bad about they clay deal.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 5, 2017 15:43:33 GMT -5
Also, the Mariners are 2 games under .500 and only 2.5 back of the wild card despite significant injuries (Felix, Paxton, Iwakuma, Cano, now Segura). Even if the injuries overcome them and they fall out of the race, I can't see them trading Cruz a year early.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 5, 2017 16:27:41 GMT -5
This team needs another Bat. If Seattle falls completely out of it in the next 30 days maybe the Red Sox can get Cruz. This is what he is owed; 2017 36yrs Seattle Mariners $14,250,000 2018 37yrs Seattle Mariners $14,250,000 JBJ for Cruz Is it my imagination of do you see a low batting average for JBJ and think they should trade him any chance they get? Cruz, at this point, is a DH and would harm the defense just about as much as he'd help it. He makes a lot more than Bradley and the Sox would have him for only 1.5 years instead of the 3.5 years they'd have JBJ. No thanks.
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Post by larrycook on Jun 10, 2017 14:38:07 GMT -5
Over the course of the next 29 games, which should bring us to the all star break, we have to determine if we are buyers or sellers.
The most obvious move in my book is trading price to the Dodgers, if price starts throwing better.
I also would not be opposed to sending sandavol and a bucket of cash to the Giants for Nunez.
I also would not be opposed to sending Hanley and another bucket of cash to Miami.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 10, 2017 16:03:48 GMT -5
Over the course of the next 29 games, which should bring us to the all star break, we have to determine if we are buyers or sellers. The most obvious move in my book is trading price to the Dodgers, if price starts throwing better. I also would not be opposed to sending sandavol and a bucket of cash to the Giants for Nunez. I also would not be opposed to sending Hanley and another bucket of cash to Miami. I think it's very clear we are buyers, a lot would have to go wrong in the next 29 games. We currently hold the top wildcard slot and have the third best record in AL. We also have the third best run diffarental in AL. After all our injuries to Bradley, Price, Hernandez, Holt, Sandoval, Wright, Smith, Thornburgh and now Erod. When Price starts pitching well you don't trade, he's exactly what we need. Then either add a utility guy or a 3b, maybe both. Good to go. Sandoval if he gets traded will most likely happen in offseason or they just release him. Why trade Ramirez? Nevermind throw a bucket of cash away, when we need him.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 10, 2017 21:22:00 GMT -5
Over the course of the next 29 games, which should bring us to the all star break, we have to determine if we are buyers or sellers. The most obvious move in my book is trading price to the Dodgers, if price starts throwing better. I also would not be opposed to sending sandavol and a bucket of cash to the Giants for Nunez. I also would not be opposed to sending Hanley and another bucket of cash to Miami. None of these things make any sense at all. Why would the Dodgers want to take on $31 million/year for an injury question mark in David Price? The Red Sox would be in need of starting pitching and wouldn't get that kind of help in that kind of deal. Nunez could help a little bit, but the Sox need help at 3b. I'd hope they can do better than Nunez. Doubt that the Giants want back a guy who can't field his position. Why would the NL Marlins want a DH in Hanley? And who on the roster taking his place as DH has the capability of hitting 25 - 30 homers? The answer is nobody. It makes no sense on any level.
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Post by soxjim on Jun 10, 2017 23:28:12 GMT -5
This team needs another Bat. If Seattle falls completely out of it in the next 30 days maybe the Red Sox can get Cruz. This is what he is owed; 2017 36yrs Seattle Mariners $14,250,000 2018 37yrs Seattle Mariners $14,250,000 JBJ for Cruz No way. I think this is an awful trade. Just awful. I'd pass if I were the Sox.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 11, 2017 0:41:09 GMT -5
This team needs another Bat. If Seattle falls completely out of it in the next 30 days maybe the Red Sox can get Cruz. This is what he is owed; 2017 36yrs Seattle Mariners $14,250,000 2018 37yrs Seattle Mariners $14,250,000 JBJ for Cruz No way. I think this is an awful trade. Just awful. I'd pass if I were the Sox. Agreed.
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Post by rivenp on Jun 11, 2017 0:57:17 GMT -5
...at this point i have to think that dmaineah is just a jbj troll...
swapping hanley for cruz would probably be an upgrade, but not necessarily if we get 2nd half of last year hanley for the 2nd half of this season. would have to throw a lot of cash and a couple prospects for the mariners to even consider it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 11, 2017 2:43:23 GMT -5
...at this point i have to think that dmaineah is just a jbj troll... swapping hanley for cruz would probably be an upgrade, but not necessarily if we get 2nd half of last year hanley for the 2nd half of this season. would have to throw a lot of cash and a couple prospects for the mariners to even consider it. Well Nelson Cruz will probably still have a better overall year than Hanley even if Hanley has his 2nd half that he had last season. I'd take Nelson Cruz at DH any day.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 11, 2017 9:39:36 GMT -5
...at this point i have to think that dmaineah is just a jbj troll... swapping hanley for cruz would probably be an upgrade, but not necessarily if we get 2nd half of last year hanley for the 2nd half of this season. would have to throw a lot of cash and a couple prospects for the mariners to even consider it. Well Nelson Cruz will probably still have a better overall year than Hanley even if Hanley has his 2nd half that he had last season. I'd take Nelson Cruz at DH any day. I'll take whoever has the better 2nd half, given that we can't go back in time to get Cruz' 1st half.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 11, 2017 9:46:32 GMT -5
Well Nelson Cruz will probably still have a better overall year than Hanley even if Hanley has his 2nd half that he had last season. I'd take Nelson Cruz at DH any day. I'll take whoever has the better 2nd half, given that we can't go back in time to get Cruz' 1st half. True but you're getting Cruz for another year too so maybe that pushes the value towards Nelson Cruz over Hanley by a decent margin in that regard.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jun 11, 2017 16:47:43 GMT -5
I would think JBJ is too valuable of a piece to ever move for a rental.
Im pretty biased when it comes to Jackie, but I would think his terrific defense, team control, baserunning, and lefty bat are too valuable to give up.
Nelly doesnt have the arm anymore (used to be a howitzer) to play even left anymore, and we already have enough bats filling the DH role, especially with Moreland proving his worth twice over at first.
Would be nice to see Nelson hitting 110 mile an hour pellets off the monster for singles though. If the Mariners wanted JBJ and were willing to part with say, a Seager and OF parts for him and Devers(oh no!), I might change my opinion.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 11, 2017 17:12:35 GMT -5
I would think JBJ is too valuable of a piece to ever move for a rental. Im pretty biased when it comes to Jackie, but I would think his terrific defense, team control, baserunning, and lefty bat are too valuable to give up. Nelly doesnt have the arm anymore (used to be a howitzer) to play even left anymore, and we already have enough bats filling the DH role, especially with Moreland proving his worth twice over at first. Would be nice to see Nelson hitting 110 mile an hour pellets off the monster for singles though. If the Mariners wanted JBJ and were willing to part with say, a Seager and OF parts for him and Devers(oh no!), I might change my opinion. The prize in that deal would be Devers as he has six plus seasons of control. That would outweight the other principals in a deal like that. I'd turn down dealing Devers, even though Seager is a really good player.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jun 12, 2017 9:02:18 GMT -5
I would think JBJ is too valuable of a piece to ever move for a rental. Im pretty biased when it comes to Jackie, but I would think his terrific defense, team control, baserunning, and lefty bat are too valuable to give up. Nelly doesnt have the arm anymore (used to be a howitzer) to play even left anymore, and we already have enough bats filling the DH role, especially with Moreland proving his worth twice over at first. Would be nice to see Nelson hitting 110 mile an hour pellets off the monster for singles though. If the Mariners wanted JBJ and were willing to part with say, a Seager and OF parts for him and Devers(oh no!), I might change my opinion. The prize in that deal would be Devers as he has six plus seasons of control. That would outweight the other principals in a deal like that. I'd turn down dealing Devers, even though Seager is a really good player. While I certainly agree, I dont think there is anyone else the mariners would give up Seager for. Also, Seager is a proven defensive and offensive player in the AL. This is a guy depending on which formula you use is a yearly 5 to 7 win player. Pretty rare. I also with the departure of Moncada, Margot, and Kopech see why some would never want the Sox to deal RD
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