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Post by Guidas on Jul 18, 2017 20:16:39 GMT -5
How does Jed Lowrie look to everyone now?
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Post by juanpena on Jul 18, 2017 20:17:14 GMT -5
Sorry, as much as I hate the Yanks...Cashman is way too shrewd of a GM to make this move just to block us. It's not beneath the Yankees to make moves based off the Sox interest in the same exact player. Johnny Damon, Mark Texeira, Jose Contreras, the list goes on and on. Nor the other way around: Pedro Martinez, Daisuke Matsuzaka. To steal from "The Godfather," it's business, not personal. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 18, 2017 20:19:13 GMT -5
Harrison is like a slightly better Holt. He's an over-glorified utility man who's about a league average hitter outside of one BABIP outlier year. I don't think the difference between he and Lin is worth what we'd have to give up for him. The similarity to Holt is part of the reason I like him on the team. He should be able to improve our 3B situation for now, and there would be no issue using him in the utility role once Devers is ready. Fair, but he's under contract for a few more years, so I think his value may be a bit too high for our liking. I don't want to have to worry about DD selling Groome... |
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 18, 2017 20:19:54 GMT -5
How does Jed Lowrie look to everyone now? I have it on good authority that DD plans to sign nick Punto To Play 3B |
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Post by jdb on Jul 18, 2017 20:20:27 GMT -5
How does Jed Lowrie look to everyone now? I'd be fine with him. I like the idea of adding Avila at C too. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 18, 2017 20:22:13 GMT -5
It's not beneath the Yankees to make moves based off the Sox interest in the same exact player. Johnny Damon, Mark Texeira, Jose Contreras, the list goes on and on. Nor the other way around: Pedro Martinez, Daisuke Matsuzaka. To steal from "The Godfather," it's business, not personal. I don't think the Yankees even had the second highest bid for Dice-K. I mean yes, the Yankees and Sox battle each other for players constantly but getting a guy like Alonso would make a ton more sense for them and yet they get Frazier? They have plenty of right handed power in their lineup and yet they get Frazier for some reason? Doesn't make sense other than the Sox aspect of it for them. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 18, 2017 20:22:14 GMT -5
How does Jed Lowrie look to everyone now? I've been a Jedhead since he was a prospect. It's about time he got home. |
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Jul 18, 2017 20:25:11 GMT -5
I'm fine with that being the case as long as they pay big in prospects. They need starting pitching. If they're gonna pay a premium to stack their pen, be my guest. Smart to block Frazier from us though. He was a great fit. Yeah, as long as it's a vast overpay by them, that's fine. I only wanted TF if he would cost us a marginal prospect. I'm just scared DD will panic and be the one to overpay. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 18, 2017 20:31:19 GMT -5
I'm fine with that being the case as long as they pay big in prospects. They need starting pitching. If they're gonna pay a premium to stack their pen, be my guest. Smart to block Frazier from us though. He was a great fit. Yeah, as long as it's a vast overpay by them, that's fine. I only wanted TF if he would cost us a marginal prospect. I'm just scared DD will panic and be the one to overpay. With you there. That's the worst case scenario. Lin was a great defender at 3B who was stinging liners to the big part of the field, and we have the best 3B prospect in baseball in AAA. We definitely don't need to overpay. |
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Post by tizzle on Jul 18, 2017 20:32:03 GMT -5
I don't mind getting Frazier, but I don't think of him as much of a difference maker. Meanwhile, I'm not sure he's even an upgrade over Headley.
So, if the Yankees really pull that move, I won't be that upset. The Ps would help them more, but middle relief isn't really their problem, they've got some good arms there. The issues are really with Chapman, and to a lesser extent Betances, having the occasional meltdown. And I don't think they'll phase those guys out regardless.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 18, 2017 20:39:17 GMT -5
Well that sucks. Frazier was the best option for the Red Sox in my opinion.
It seems to me the White Sox would want to package him with Robertson to get rid of that contract.
If it was Chavis and Lakins for Frazier and Robertson I wouldn't be too thrilled. I wouldn't deal Chavis to rent Frazier and I certainly wouldn't deal Chavis for the privilege of paying Robertson all that money as he's not worth it.
The White Sox are probably motivated to move that money.
Meanwhile the Yankees most certainly would be trying to block the Red Sox from getting Frazier. I think they also could use the upgrade at either 1b or 3b. Headley is pretty mediocre and 1b is a question mark, although I think Cooper could be an astute pickup. Either way they could use a RH corner power bat.
And they could certainly improve their pen as Robertson is decent, although very overpriced, and Kahnle has pitched pretty well.
I would assume the Yankees are going to pay a high price for this deal, or at least I'd hope so given what young effective relievers like Kahnle are fetching in the trade market these days.
Meanwhile that puts the Red Sox onto Lowrie, which doesn't exactly thrill me. Oh, he's an upgrade and he's having a good year, but the Sox lack the power Frazier has. You'd think Lowrie would rake at Fenway if he's hitting this well playing in Oakland, but I still can't reconcile the image of him being a .260-.270 hitter with little power and always injured with the guy having a career year.
And with one extra year of control, I would think Lowrie would cost them a good prospect? I don't want Chavis going for Lowrie. No thanks.
Unless they get a great deal for Lowrie, then they're just better off rolling the dice with Devers and fixing the bullpen.
Meanwhile with Robertson and Kahnle to add to Chapman, Betances, and Warren, the Yanks' pen looks pretty good and their lineup is already a lot better than the Red Sox, especially with a Frazier addition. They could very well be the team to beat in the AL East.
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Post by theghostofjoecronin on Jul 18, 2017 20:43:28 GMT -5
I'm gonna be "that guy," and throw out the crazy idea that maybe the Sox should just roll with some combo Holt and Marrero/Lin. It's not ideal, but it can't get worse than what the team has already had. They're still in first, so I can live with replacement level at third base. Is it worth giving up prospects to get another win or two? Considering how close the division race is shaping up to be, 2 wins could be the difference between first place and a WC spot. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 18, 2017 20:47:32 GMT -5
I'm gonna be "that guy," and throw out the crazy idea that maybe the Sox should just roll with some combo Holt and Marrero/Lin. It's not ideal, but it can't get worse than what the team has already had. They're still in first, so I can live with replacement level at third base. Is it worth giving up prospects to get another win or two? Considering how close the division race is shaping up to be, 2 wins could be the difference between first place and a WC spot. Not that it did them any good last season. |
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Post by pedroiaesque on Jul 18, 2017 20:49:39 GMT -5
How does Jed Lowrie look to everyone now? I think it comes down to the prospect cost. When he's healthy, he's a nice piece even if he won't carry the team on his own (not really what we need anyway). Key weakness is that he's not really a 3B. Last time he payed there was for a bit in 2015 with Houston. But considering the defensive issues we were seeing with our internal options earlier this year, I'd rather get someone who can play some decent defense at the hot corner. |
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 18, 2017 20:51:38 GMT -5
None of these options inspire confidence in fixing our power outage.
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Post by nomar on Jul 18, 2017 20:53:13 GMT -5
Lowrie has a 6M option for next year, but this is his first good year in a few years. I think his value is lower than Frazier's even with the extra year. And if he (along with Lin and Marrero) is in the fold next year, maybe that would motivate us to trade Holt, which I'd be all for.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 18, 2017 20:54:06 GMT -5
I'm gonna be "that guy," and throw out the crazy idea that maybe the Sox should just roll with some combo Holt and Marrero/Lin. It's not ideal, but it can't get worse than what the team has already had. They're still in first, so I can live with replacement level at third base. Is it worth giving up prospects to get another win or two? Considering how close the division race is shaping up to be, 2 wins could be the difference between first place and a WC spot. You could say that almost every year, but 2 wins is at least as likely to be the difference between winning or losing the division by 4 games rather than 2. Not sure I buy Frazier meaning 2 wins either. |
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 18, 2017 20:58:04 GMT -5
None of these options inspire confidence in fixing our power outage. I want trout at Ss |
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Post by nomar on Jul 18, 2017 21:01:08 GMT -5
I would actually really like a Flores deal, but I wonder what the price would be. He's not in a great park/division for his profile. The ballparks/offensive environment of the AL East would probably do him some good. He doesn't get on base a lot but he does have power, and it would probably show up a lot more in the AL East. The bigger concern would be the glove, but he's no worse than Holt there.
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Post by theghostofjoecronin on Jul 18, 2017 21:04:21 GMT -5
Considering how close the division race is shaping up to be, 2 wins could be the difference between first place and a WC spot. You could say that almost every year, but 2 wins is at least as likely to be the difference between winning or losing the division by 4 games rather than 2. Not sure I buy Frazier meaning 2 wins either. He'll be worth about 5 wins if he can hit a HR during a handful of Chris Sale starts. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 18, 2017 21:10:40 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Jul 18, 2017 21:11:35 GMT -5
So far so good. Hopefully one more bigger name. |
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Post by doctorduck21 on Jul 18, 2017 21:12:33 GMT -5
None of these options inspire confidence in fixing our power outage. That's a whole lot of meh. None of those players move the needle any |
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Post by theghostofjoecronin on Jul 18, 2017 21:14:00 GMT -5
Rutherford is the guy I wanted the Sox to draft if they couldn't get Groome. Huge get for the White Sox if true, really solid all around player.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 18, 2017 21:14:06 GMT -5
You could say that almost every year, but 2 wins is at least as likely to be the difference between winning or losing the division by 4 games rather than 2. Not sure I buy Frazier meaning 2 wins either. He'll be worth about 5 wins if he can hit a HR during a handful of Chris Sale starts. And if he doesn't he could be worth zero. A poorly timed erro and he could be worth negative wins. This works both ways. |
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