2017 Trade Deadline Thread (Red Sox discussion)

If Lucroy would come very cheap given his expiring contract and terrible numbers, I wouldn't mind taking a flyer. His upside is still high and our catchers are somehow still even worse than this version of Lucroy.

I'm already anxious waiting to hear about a new job I interviewed for. I don't want to start worrying about losing Groome for a rental. I would probably lose my mind.

FWIW Moustakas is a dead pull hitter with only 2 opposite field HR since the start of 2016. Not a good fit for Fenway IMO.

Yup. Rutherford + Clarkin. No clue which relievers are actually involved.

Clippard would head to Chicago to offset salary as well.

If they take on all, or close to all, of Robertson's salary, then certainly terrible.

I feel like the Dave Dombrowski strategy for the Red Sox was to go for it now.  The Red Sox had a very strong, young nucleus, that just needed some complimentary pieces around them to be a championship level team for at least a few years.  DD has given up a lot of young talent to go get those complimentary pieces the Sox need to get a championship in the next year or two.  Frazier is a distraction from that, imo.  I feel like DD making a 'big' move to get Frazier, or any other rental, second-tier talent for a slight upgrade at a sore spot on the team, is not a move that fits in line with all the previous moves DD made over the last couple of years.  It's not that 'big' move that will take the team over the top, imo.  So why make the move, and give up prospects, if later in the season it's gonna be necessary to make a big splash move to take the team over the top, which will require giving up more prospects.  The Sox don't have a whole lot of good prospects left, right?  So put all the effort and chips into one big move that will be a huge boost to the chances of the Sox bringing home a championship this winter.  Assuming a Frazier type move is made, it will be like punting the season away.  Last years Sox playoff squad had both Ortiz, and a red-hot Ramirez.  Yet the Sox offense was pretty much shut down by Cleveland.  This season the Sox won't have either, and Frazier won't remedy that.  Yes the Sox have Sale now, and maybe Price is ready to kick it up a notch in the postseason, but the offense needs to kick it up a lot going up against other playoff pitching squads.  It'll be a quick playoff appearance this year for the Sox, just like last year, although they might win a Sale start (although we've seen a few times an outstanding Sale performance shot down by miserable offense).  A Frazier type move is punting the season away, imo.  

So then next year the team will have Devers.  Assuming he has a decent rookie season.  Assuming the Sox make the playoffs again.  Will a 21 year old rookie in his first playoffs appearance be able to carry a team with his power, like Ortiz was?  That's a big if.  Chances are not that high of that happening, I'm assuming.  So then what?  Now we're waiting for 2019?  This team's envelope to win was built for now, or at least by next year, by the many big moves DD has made.  So how about a good finishing touch is made to bring a championship, instead of a lot of effort over a bandaid.

Very disappointed the Red Sox didn't come away with Frazier. While his overall numbers don't look much better than Mitch Moreland's, Frazier has been trending the right way, and given what the Red Sox sorely lack, he would have been the ideal solution.

I'm very curious to hear what Gammons or somebody else has to say about how close the Red Sox were to getting Frazier. On Saturday morning the speculation was that the Red Sox were on the verge of getting him for Trey Ball and another player, speculated to be Cosart, but that the deal was supposedly scotched because of Cosart's medicals.

I thought the Red Sox and White Sox would simply substitute another similar type player and get the deal done, but instead nothing happened, and perhaps the White Sox looked around for better options, one in which they could dump Robertson's contract and get some impact prospects by bundling Frazier along with Kahnle?

For the Red Sox, the price to get Kahnle would have been prohibitive as the Sox have already invested too much in middle relief help, and they certainly don't want to go over the threshold to pay Robertson. Frazier was the real get for them, and certainly not worth giving up a top prospect or an upper 2nd tier type prospect like Chavis.

So now what? There's nobody terribly exciting. Lowrie is having his nice season. I like TJ Rivera, even though he doesn't walk much. He has a pretty good hit tool and has hit in the minors at all stops and is hitting with the Mets in a tough ballpark. He could be a good option to either be the guy at 3b the rest of the season or platoon with Devers.

I can't imagine that Rivera would come cheaply, though. He's not a big contract, has service time remaining, and the Mets have a hole at 3b if they deal him, I think.

I'm hoping the Sox don't have to spend too much to get a 3b or a setup man. I have a feeling, with all the competition for relievers, that Neshek's price will go up, although the Yanks at this point should be eliminated as a competitor for Neshek, right?

Bring up Devers and try out Callahan. See what they've got while putting out feelers. Devers almost certainly can't be worse than what they have, and Callahan might be lightning in a bottle. Short of mortgaging he future for Britton, I don't see a definitive big move out there. As much talk as there is about offense and relief, the Sox have viable internal relief options and great starting pitching, plus Kimbrel. They can pitching-and-defense it.

Devers.

Sox should trade for Rafael Devers & Carson Smith to give their second half the boost they need.

Devers makes as much sense as anything else but I wouldn't pin any major hopes on Carson Smith. We have no idea how good he can be at this point or even if he makes it back without experiencing any setbacks.

Workman looks like a keeper, but the Sox need another arm for the pen, somebody you're comfortable turning the game over to in the 8th to bridge the lead to Kimbrel for the 9th.