2017 Trade Deadline Thread (Red Sox discussion)

I never was a big fan of Lowrie and I don't think he helps this team to the WS. At this point I think the Sox should bring up Devers. I think there is a reasonable chance he could be another Betts. I don't see a downside to giving him a shot.

Redsoxchamps, the Yankees sold out their second best prospect for a rental and two relievers. One of them looks like the next Andrew Miller but you never know.

Imagine if the Sox traded Groome for a reliever?

There would be h*ll to pay for making such a risky deal.

No thanks. The most I'd give up for a quality controllable bullpen arm at the deadline is maybe Chavis, that's it and I'd still think twice about that deal.

I disagree on the Yankees being better too. It's closer but the Sox can go toe to toe with them.

You're kind of contradicting yourself in the same post. You said this trade would of been bad, then you said this is the exact move the Sox need to make? Which one is it?

Any chance the Rangers trade Beltre? He's the type of upgrade that could make a difference.

The Yankees dealt from a position of strength and added two legitimate bullpen pieces and a solid 3rd baseman, though i'm not sure Yankee stadium will help his power numbers. This move certainly makes them more of a threat to the make a run at the division but unless they add a good starter they are still going to have a tough time getting the game to their now stellar bullpen. Looking at the package they gave up I am a little surprised they didn't come away with a legitimate starter instead of what they received, though obviously I am not privy to what other discussions they had with other teams so maybe that wasn't an option at this time.

If the Yankees get into the post season that bullpen is going to make them a tough out. If Robertson, keeps pitching how he is this head that contract isn't an albatross. It's harder for the Sox because of their bad contracts; the Yankees dont have that same issue.

I think it's different because you never have too much pitching, but it's obvious that if Rutherford is not a CF he won't be good enough to dislodge Judge or Frazier anytime soon.

With Groome, the Sox aren't exactly deep in pitchers that actually have a chance to stick in a rotation, especially toward the top half.

Again, to me it's akin to losing a Margot but when you know he's not going to move dislodge Benintendi/JBJ/Betts for an OF spot.

Unless Clarkin is a top of the rotation type starter down the road, and I just don't know enough about him to say he is or he isn't. If he's a potential ace/#2 or solid #3 on a strong contender, then the Yankees probably overpaid, but if he isn't all that, then the Yankees made themselves a solid deal.

Outstanding trade for the Yankees. They got two very good, high strikeout relievers to shore up a sometimes under-performing, overworked but talented pen and a low average but powerful 3B. Strong bullpens have become incredibly important. The Yankees may now have baseball's best pen top to bottom. They gave up 2 good prospects who are maybe 3-4 years away. They won't miss them especially having a very top system and years of drafts to replenish. Next year they can spend big maybe on a Harper (imagine that outfield?), Machado and/or starting pitching. I am envisioning a super team. Panning the Yankee trade is whistling past the graveyard IMO.

I'm not sure I see Harper leaving the Nats unless he is absolutely deadset on going to the Yankees. I feel like the Nats have to at least match any offer that he might receive, let's not act like the Nats are the Rays and have no money to retain their guys. They also have Jayson Werth's large contract expiring soon so they will have the money to retain him. I do agree that the prospects of the Yankees having money to spend during the mega free agent offseason is a scary thought though. I think they begin spending some of that money this offseason and make a run at Darvish, to me that match makes too much sense not to happen. They have their pen set for the next few seasons, they don't have too many holes in the lineup and have a glaring need for starters and Darvish is one of the very best. 

Don't have to.



Anyway, this seems like a good trade for both sides. Rutherford seems like the obvious top piece to go in a deal for a good rental rental, a good-but-expensive reliever, and Tommy Kahnle (who is the real gem here). Clarkin seems a little weak as the second piece, and I don't know enought about Polo to comment.


I'll note that this does rekindle some of my frustration that Dombrowski needed to include FOUR prospects to get Thornburg. There was just no need to have Pennington and/or Coca in that deal.

EDIT: For what little it's worth, Rutherford is the player I think the Red Sox would've grabbed in 2016 if Groome had been off the board.

That is a little confusing to me as Otani hasn't proven anything in the MLB meanwhile Darvish has shown he is a stud. I guess from the standpoint that Otani won't break the bank in the same manner as Darvish but he's no sure thing.