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Post by ericmvan on Jul 28, 2017 13:22:15 GMT -5
Is this the deadline where my non-believing in Sonny Gray finally lands him in Boston? Dombrowski publicly saying we won't add pitching seems like posturing unless he really believes in Johnson or Beeks (in which case we'd probably still need depth). Dombrowski's stance may have something to do with Price being 0.03 WAR better than Johnson this year, per start. |
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Post by jmei on Jul 28, 2017 13:40:12 GMT -5
0.03 WAR per start is one win over the course of the season, and Brian Johnson has five starts this year.
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Post by nomar on Jul 28, 2017 13:57:08 GMT -5
Is this the deadline where my non-believing in Sonny Gray finally lands him in Boston? Dombrowski publicly saying we won't add pitching seems like posturing unless he really believes in Johnson or Beeks (in which case we'd probably still need depth). Dombrowski's stance may have something to do with Price being 0.03 WAR better than Johnson this year, per start. A couple bad games in a shortened season will do that. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 28, 2017 13:57:09 GMT -5
And Fangraphs has the difference as .07 WAR per start.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 28, 2017 14:19:53 GMT -5
0.03 WAR per start is one win over the course of the season, and Brian Johnson has five starts this year. I guess if they could win the division by less than half a game, it would be a meaningful difference. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 28, 2017 15:03:30 GMT -5
I'd be on board with a three teamer. Price to the Dodgers who are already over the cap significantly and are looking for a top arm and a cost controlled stud 1Bman coming back. Travis to the third team. I'd say Goldshmidt but the Dodgers and Diamondbacks are same division and the Diamondbacks are still in the wildcard hunt. I'd prefer stud & Johnson over the clubhouse nightmare we've got going on. Apparently DD didn't learn anything from Preller. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 28, 2017 15:09:11 GMT -5
I don't they can rely on Beeks as he is probably fast approaching his innings limit for the year. Mr. Hatfield addressed this previously: Beeks threw 145 innings last year (67.1 in Salem, 65.1 in Portland, 12.1 in the AFL). There's no reason to think he's approaching an innings limit. Realistically, I'm not sure that Beeks has an innings limit at this point, if it came to that. It would probably be in the 170 to 180 range and it's hart to see him getting there even if he ended up the #5 starter in the majors for a couple months. Seriously, where is this innings limit thing coming from? Any reason we haven't seen Beeks yet? Usually they at least give a guy a chance when he is having the type of season Beeks is. He's not on the 40-man and both Johnson and Velazquez are. That simple, really. Beeks projects better than either right now, but you'd be surprised how similar the three pitchers' AAA stats are (Johnson's and Beeks' are eerily so). Given that Beeks is going to be protected this November, wouldn't surprise me if he got a September call-up, potentially in relief. But I don't think he represents such an obvious upgrade over Johnson and Velazquez that you DFA someone to get him on the 40-man right now. Not yet at least. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 28, 2017 15:14:28 GMT -5
Mr. Hatfield addressed this previously: Realistically, I'm not sure that Beeks has an innings limit at this point, if it came to that. It would probably be in the 170 to 180 range and it's hart to see him getting there even if he ended up the #5 starter in the majors for a couple months. Seriously, where is this innings limit thing coming from? Any reason we haven't seen Beeks yet? Usually they at least give a guy a chance when he is having the type of season Beeks is. He's not on the 40-man and both Johnson and Velazquez are. That simple, really. Beeks projects better than either right now, but you'd be surprised how similar the three pitchers' AAA stats are (Johnson's and Beeks' are eerily so). Given that Beeks is going to be protected this November, wouldn't surprise me if he got a September call-up, potentially in relief. But I don't think he represents such an obvious upgrade over Johnson and Velazquez that you DFA someone to get him on the 40-man right now. Not yet at least. It's really obvious that Fister has no business on the 40-man roster, but I guess the argument is that spot could be used for someone else. But Fister better not be blocking Beeks. This is where protecting crappy depth will hurt because the player in the majors is significantly worse than the ones they don't have to DFA to send down. |
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Post by ramireja on Jul 28, 2017 15:47:05 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 28, 2017 15:59:53 GMT -5
Man, this blows. Now there is huge drop off in the rotation. I just hope this means Price comes back quickly. This is absolutely horrible. |
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 28, 2017 16:05:55 GMT -5
Seriously? Fister's rank among 437 MLB pitchers with 20 IP or more: 410 ERA- 394 FIP- 426 xFIP- 426 SIERA 415 LI-adjusted WPA per IP Edit: Johnson's edge on Fister, WAR per 6 innings: nearly 0.3. IOW, they just traded prospects to get a guy where it's really hard to see how they pick up more than half a win, but that's been the difference between Johnson and Fister per 2 starts. Fister's on a -6.4 WAR per 180 innings pace. His adjusted WPA is -7.1. |
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Post by ramireja on Jul 28, 2017 16:10:11 GMT -5
Can't say that I like the decision either. I mean, one way to get Beeks on the 40-man roster is to cut ties with.......Fister.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 28, 2017 16:17:28 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 28, 2017 16:23:46 GMT -5
Seriously? Fister's rank among 437 MLB pitchers with 20 IP or more: 410 ERA- 394 FIP- 426 xFIP- 426 SIERA 415 LI-adjusted WPA per IP Edit: Johnson's edge on Fister, WAR per 6 innings: nearly 0.3. IOW, they just traded prospects to get a guy where it's really hard to see how they pick up more than half a win, but that's been the difference between Johnson and Fister per 2 starts. Fister's on a -6.4 WAR per 180 innings pace. His adjusted WPA is -7.1. Johnson is having his shoulder checked out in Boston. Velazquez would of been a better option too I'd imagine. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 28, 2017 16:24:02 GMT -5
On the one hand, I can breathe easy about not trading for a starter. But Fister, c'mon. One more guaranteed loss or will it be more?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 28, 2017 16:37:57 GMT -5
"Dave Dombrowski at this point believes David Price can return this year. Like spring training, was very non specific explaining injury."
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Post by Coreno on Jul 28, 2017 16:43:01 GMT -5
I have no clue what they see in Fister. I am convinced Velazquez could fill that role and not be any worse.
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Post by nomar on Jul 28, 2017 16:50:01 GMT -5
Has to be posturing. Fister probably doesn't even want to be in the rotation at this point. He's getting paid this year, everything's else from here on out is just mental torture as he gets destroyed.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 28, 2017 16:53:17 GMT -5
I have no clue what they see in Fister. I am convinced Velazquez could fill that role and not be any worse. He's a vizzled greteran. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 28, 2017 16:53:58 GMT -5
I wonder how much it would take to get Castellanos. He could play some 3B, is big and agile enough to learn 1B relatively quickly, and has really turned the page offensively since June. His May was so bad that his overall numbers this year aren't pretty, but he seems ready to breakout next year. If Chavis+ can get it done I think he's a good buy semi-low candidate with upside.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 28, 2017 16:54:57 GMT -5
DD seems to think this is the same Doug Fister he had in Detroit. Its not. Same name, totally different pitcher. Play the young guys.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 28, 2017 17:27:08 GMT -5
Trade deadline thread folks. Trade deadline.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 28, 2017 17:31:18 GMT -5
I'm with the idea that Beeks be given a shot as a LHRP. His platoon splits are basically nonexistent, he's approaching his innings max (around 105 right now, and you'd have to think 130-140 for the season), and he's got multiple weapons including his new cutter. The CB works well on lefties, and he's right around 91-93 as a SP meaning he probably sits 93-94 in shorter stints. He's pitched extremely well at both AA and AAA, and his control's gotten better as the year's gone on. He really doesn't have much left to prove in AAA. He'd save them $/talent, and they can always send him back to starting in AAA next year (or move him to the MLB rotation depending on how he pitches and what sort of movement occurs over the winter). He's slid under the radar being short and a lower-Rd pick, but he's done nothing but improve each year. He misses bats and gets plenty of weak contact. Beeks threw 145 innings last year (67.1 in Salem, 65.1 in Portland, 12.1 in the AFL). There's no reason to think he's approaching an innings limit. Good point, idk why I was thinking he only had 110 last year. I still say bring him up. He can go to the AFL again if he needs more innings. |
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Post by tookme55 on Jul 28, 2017 18:06:58 GMT -5
Unless it's an impact trade for a position, power bat, we need to go with what we have. Nunez and Devers should add quality depth for the stretch run. I don't want to give up bunch of prospects for a rental.
We are snake bitten a bit. We can't get the entire rotation in sync health wise.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 28, 2017 18:10:37 GMT -5
Unless it's an impact trade for a position, power bat, we need to go with what we have. Nunez and Devers should add quality depth for the stretch run. I don't want to give up bunch of prospects for a rental. We are snake bitten a bit. We can't get the entire rotation in sync health wise.Is there a team that can? |
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