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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2017 18:32:26 GMT -5
The more I think about it, even Dombrowski I don't think would be crazy enough to deal Chavis in a deal for Prado.
However Lin would probably be the guy gone. DD would probably figure with Prado around Marrero could be the backup infielder and that Holt could come back this season and that Hernandez is back next year so Lin would be expendable and his market value would be higher now than it's ever been.
Again I'd prefer Frazier at 3b and Lin backing him and Bogaerts up, but I'm just trying to think along with Dombrowski's thought process.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 9, 2017 19:17:19 GMT -5
Third base is not even a big issue anymore. I dont agree with this. Your corner IF and corner OF need to be run producers. I dont like what they are trotting out 3B on a regular basis at this point rest of year. Problem is I dont want to give up anything of value for a rental except Henrys money.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 9, 2017 19:26:16 GMT -5
That's a genuinely awful idea for a baseball trade. Devers is like a month away from being ready.
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Post by prangerx on Jul 9, 2017 19:34:32 GMT -5
Third base is not even a big issue anymore. I dont agree with this. Your corner IF and corner OF need to be run producers. I dont like what they are trotting out 3B on a regular basis at this point rest of year. Problem is I dont want to give up anything of value for a rental except Henrys money. They have run producers at almost ever other position. The current platoon could give them solid production just like the Catchers platoon has. Devers is waiting in the wings. So i am not saying they are the answer forever. One thing good about them is that there defense is not embarassing like Pablo's became.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 9, 2017 21:22:35 GMT -5
Bob NightengaleVerified account @bnightengale 1m1 minute ago More The Boston #RedSox,would like a package deal from #Marlins, where they not only acquire 3B Martin Prado, but also reliever David Phelps. Phelps maybe but Prado is damaged right now. I don't think 4 days rest will fix it any more than those same 4 days will fix Hanley's shoulders.
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Post by station13 on Jul 9, 2017 21:25:20 GMT -5
Third base is not even a big issue anymore. I dont agree with this. Your corner IF and corner OF need to be run producers. I dont like what they are trotting out 3B on a regular basis at this point rest of year. Problem is I dont want to give up anything of value for a rental except Henrys money. Prado won't help with the runs production. They need a real set up man.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2017 21:41:31 GMT -5
Personally I'd like to see the Sox get Frazier from the White Sox and Pat Neshek from the Phillies. Not sure what the player acquisition cost would be but that's what I'd like to see happen as look as it's within reason.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 9, 2017 21:46:35 GMT -5
I would go after Cabrera from the Phils and stick him on 3rd. It won't be like getting Chris Bryant, but if he plays to his averages it great;y i proves 3rd offensively over anyone not named Lin.
btw, I'd love to anoint Lin the man, but all the samples are too small - AA and MLB. Still, the man is seizing the moment and making a difference - not to mention, his family and neighborhood probably haven't slept in weeks.
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Post by Coreno on Jul 9, 2017 22:35:08 GMT -5
Who is Cabrera?
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Post by telson13 on Jul 9, 2017 23:14:19 GMT -5
Asdrubal Cabrera. He could spell at SS too. I'd prefer they just take on Frazier's salary and return as little as possible. Or really, just stick with the hot hand in Lin and bring up Devers in a month. But Frazier would at least take some pressure off. And please, no more trades for relievers. Try Callahan or Buttrey and hope for lightning in a bottle before tossing away any more talent. If, by the deadline, there's still a need, at least it's likely to be a buyer's market. Edit: I'm guessing he meant Asdrubal, mixing up Mets/Phils. Idk of a Cabrera in Philly.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 9, 2017 23:42:42 GMT -5
When did PitchFX get removed from fangraphs? Was trying to look up Phelps, but it's not there anymore. brooksbaseball.net
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 10, 2017 2:41:35 GMT -5
Yeah I can't see this trade happening unless a Rusney Castillo was heading back the other way or maybe Pablo with cash thrown in to even out the deal.
30 million owed through 2019. That's a lot of dough for a 33 year old who will be 35/36 by the time the deal is done. He only has 127 plate appearances too, so he must of missed time this year also.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 10, 2017 7:28:52 GMT -5
Asdrubal, or as we called him in the 07 ALCS, 'Assdribble' - and apologoes, ment Mets. Kinda indistinguishable from Phils at this point.
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Post by prangerx on Jul 10, 2017 7:35:54 GMT -5
I would go after Cabrera from the Phils and stick him on 3rd. It won't be like getting Chris Bryant, but if he plays to his averages it great;y i proves 3rd offensively over anyone not named Lin. btw, I'd love to anoint Lin the man, but all the samples are too small - AA and MLB. Still, the man is seizing the moment and making a difference - not to mention, his family and neighborhood probably haven't slept in weeks. He doesn't need to be the man. Just good enough in a platoon at the number 9 spot.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 10, 2017 10:19:14 GMT -5
In the Waterbury papers this past weekend, they have Dave stating he probably will stand pat at the trade deadline. Kind of sounds like the check is in the mail.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 10, 2017 12:06:58 GMT -5
In the Waterbury papers this past weekend, they have Dave stating he probably will stand pat at the trade deadline. Kind of sounds like the check is in the mail. Waterbury still has a paper? Impressive!
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 10, 2017 14:00:56 GMT -5
In the Waterbury papers this past weekend, they have Dave stating he probably will stand pat at the trade deadline. Kind of sounds like the check is in the mail. Aside from 3b there really isn't a clear hole on the team. And with the current platoon holding down the fort until Devers is up, no need to upgrade. (Holt may be back soon as well) The relief pitching has been solid, they have depth in AAA and Carson Smith could be back in a month SP is set now with Rodriguez back. Johnson, Fister, Valezquez and possibly Elias provide depth. So I agree with DD: stand pat and see where this roster takes them. (Unless they shut down Hanley)
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Post by jimoh on Jul 10, 2017 14:16:57 GMT -5
www.fanragsports.com/mlb/marlins/heyman-marlins-president-says-stars-going-nowhere/ByJon Heyman "Martin Prado’s name has been linked to a couple teams, and Marlins people do expect some interest there, but neither of the teams that have been linked in the press and could use a third baseman – either Prado’s old Yankees team or the Red Sox – have Prado high on their list, according to sources. “He’s gone backward,” said a source with one of those teams. (An exec with the other team also pooh-poohed the possibility.) In any case, as is the case with Gordon, the Marlins presumably would have to drastically offset Prado’s salary to move him."
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 11, 2017 6:42:50 GMT -5
I see no reason to do something at third unless a rental falls into your lap on a pure salary dump. Lin and Marrero have been playing well enough. Well enough that it hasn't been a problem lately. Well enough that the odds that someone like Prado won't better us offensively and will downgrade us defensively. The Sox record with Marrero starting at 3rd is impressive and Lin has injected some energy at the bottom of the lineup.
These are the exact types of players teams win with in their lineups because they are young - a shot in the arm and unexpected - allowing them to focus resources elsewhere.
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Post by jmei on Jul 11, 2017 7:09:14 GMT -5
Lin and Marrero have played well in the last month or so, but I'm not terribly confident that they'll continue to give you more than replacement level-ish play going forward. That doesn't mean you replace them at all costs, but 3B remains the weakest position on the field, and they should explore all the available alternatives.
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Post by mandelbro on Jul 11, 2017 9:47:49 GMT -5
So what do we make of Lin's fielding?
To my eye he's left some plays on the field. His accuracy throwing to 1st hasn't been great, although one of those was in his first action, so maybe you can chalk it up to jitters. Didn't pick a one-hop throw from Betts the other day. Didn't catch a pop-out near the railing. These are things I'd expect from a defense-first type such as Marrero.
But.... he has yet to commit an error in 104.0 innings. His SSS metrics are superb. And Farrell isn't shy about playing him.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jul 11, 2017 11:15:28 GMT -5
Lin and Marrero have played well in the last month or so, but I'm not terribly confident that they'll continue to give you more than replacement level-ish play going forward. That doesn't mean you replace them at all costs, but 3B remains the weakest position on the field, and they should explore all the available alternatives. Agreed..and it's painful to think our 3b problem could have been solved if we just didn't do anything. We traded away a 3b who is on pace for 38 home runs 120 RBI .300 and 140 OPS +...ouch If shaw put up that kind of production for the Red Sox this year, he would be our every day cleanup hitter. I like DD. I think he's made a lot of good moves. However the shaw trade could become his worst move. Either that or the brewers hitting coaches are far better than the Red Sox hitting coaches.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 11, 2017 12:15:57 GMT -5
Lin and Marrero have played well in the last month or so, but I'm not terribly confident that they'll continue to give you more than replacement level-ish play going forward. That doesn't mean you replace them at all costs, but 3B remains the weakest position on the field, and they should explore all the available alternatives. Agreed..and it's painful to think our 3b problem could have been solved if we just didn't do anything. We traded away a 3b who is on pace for 38 home runs 120 RBI .300 and 140 OPS +...ouch If shaw put up that kind of production for the Red Sox this year, he would be our every day cleanup hitter. I like DD. I think he's made a lot of good moves. However the shaw trade could become his worst move. Either that or the brewers hitting coaches are far better than the Red Sox hitting coaches. It might be the worst Red Sox trade since they traded Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater. Assuming Shaw keeps it up.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 11, 2017 12:31:54 GMT -5
Agreed..and it's painful to think our 3b problem could have been solved if we just didn't do anything. We traded away a 3b who is on pace for 38 home runs 120 RBI .300 and 140 OPS +...ouch If shaw put up that kind of production for the Red Sox this year, he would be our every day cleanup hitter. I like DD. I think he's made a lot of good moves. However the shaw trade could become his worst move. Either that or the brewers hitting coaches are far better than the Red Sox hitting coaches. It might be the worst Red Sox trade since they traded Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater. Assuming Shaw keeps it up. I know it's apples and oranges, but I remember another good young 3rd baseman for a reliever that did not work out to well either, at least long term. Bagwell for Andersen......could be the same result though.
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Post by oilcan73 on Jul 11, 2017 12:47:48 GMT -5
It might be the worst Red Sox trade since they traded Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater. Assuming Shaw keeps it up. I know it's apples and oranges, but I remember another good young 3rd baseman for a reliever that did not work out to well either, at least long term. Bagwell for Andersen......could be the same result though. Not sure I would compare Shaw to Bagwell. I don't see Shaw in the Hall of Fame ever. I have no problem with the Shaw trade. He was awful down the stretch last year and DD was picking up a good bullpen piece for the 8th inning. He couldn't foresee him getting hurt. The Smith deal was a good move as well. Save
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