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Post by nomar on Jun 26, 2017 8:14:12 GMT -5
The Tigers are 7 back and he's a rental bat. Hanley has been awful, Moreland has a broken toe, and we need a big bat desperately, even if he isn't a third baseman which we'd all prefer. He has the size to play 1B, so I'd think he could learn the position. It would also help ensure that Hanley's option doesn't vest, which I consider a priority at this point.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 26, 2017 8:50:57 GMT -5
I would love the idea of JD Martinez. I don't think the Sox can really turn down any idea of offense at this point.
JD's salary is also a deterrent at this point however. The Sox are pushing up against the threshold and JD is making 11.75 million this year. Maybe a guy like Chris Young can go back to the Tigers to offset the salary issues for a deal though.
There is also the problem of JD learning a new position in the middle of the season, I don't know how realistic it would be for him to actually do it. If the Sox acquire him, I think he would be a strict DH and backup outfield option.
However if the Sox want to throw money at JD Martinez (I think that's a pretty good idea for their one big splash this winter), I'm sure he can go into camp learning a new position with all of spring training to work with coaches and getting reps there.
I just think option 1 is Moustakas, option 2 is Lowrie, but if either get too pricey then the Sox might have to hope maybe on Perralta and/or Devers. Maybe the Sox could get away with those two platooning and the Sox look to a guy like JD Martinez to get more offense in other areas.
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Post by nomar on Jun 26, 2017 9:06:39 GMT -5
I agree with it being difficult to learn a new position, but you never know with 1B. I guess you'd have to consider that a potential bonus and if you trade for him, do it under the assumption that he's the DH mainly.
I agree that Young being in the deal would make sense most likely.
I don't have much faith in landing Moustakas. We won't extend him and there will be some form of a bidding war with him, and likely with NY. And the more Chavis rakes in AA, the less willing we'll be to part with him.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 26, 2017 9:14:01 GMT -5
I agree with it being difficult to learn a new position, but you never know with 1B. I guess you'd have to consider that a potential bonus and if you trade for him, do it under the assumption that he's the DH mainly. I agree that Young being in the deal would make sense most likely. I don't have much faith in landing Moustakas. We won't extend him and there will be some form of a bidding war with him, and likely with NY. And the more Chavis rakes in AA, the less willing we'll be to part with him. I just wonder what it would cost to get JD. There's probably going to be a lot of competition for him too (maybe not but a bat like his is hard to come by). I'd give a little bit more for JD versus a Moustakas because maybe you hope you can extend him when you do get him. Moustakas isn't a extension candidate at all with Devers lurking.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 26, 2017 9:19:39 GMT -5
I agree with it being difficult to learn a new position, but you never know with 1B. I guess you'd have to consider that a potential bonus and if you trade for him, do it under the assumption that he's the DH mainly. I agree that Young being in the deal would make sense most likely. I don't have much faith in landing Moustakas. We won't extend him and there will be some form of a bidding war with him, and likely with NY. And the more Chavis rakes in AA, the less willing we'll be to part with him. I just wonder what it would cost to get JD. There's probably going to be a lot of competition for him too (maybe not but a bat like his is hard to come by). I'd give a little bit more for JD versus a Moustakas because maybe you hope you can extend him when you do get him. Moustakas isn't a extension candidate at all with Devers lurking. He'll probably cost a lot more than they should be willing to pay for when he's not filling a clear need. I know that everyone loves ripping Hanley, but he's not going to get dumped at the same time as Pablo. We're going to have to hope for him to get healthy.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 26, 2017 9:22:09 GMT -5
The Sox need offense. That is the need. They have to find it from somewhere, whether the fit is the greatest is probably a secondary concern.
At this point, I'm really questioning if Sam Travis should start everyday over Hanley at DH.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 26, 2017 9:24:08 GMT -5
The Sox need offense. That is the need. They have to find it from somewhere, whether the fit is the greatest is probably a secondary concern. At this point, I'm really questioning if Sam Travis should start everyday over Hanley at DH. Unless they could DL Hanley for the rest of the season, they cannot afford to keep him on the roster doing nothing. It's just not happening. By far, the biggest need and upgrade opportunity is at 3B.
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Post by nomar on Jun 26, 2017 9:25:08 GMT -5
I'm not saying dump Hanley. I'm just saying grab a big bat. Whether it is an OF/1B/DH injury or dropoff in performance, I'm pretty sure Martinez wouldn't go to waste. And while he'd cost just as much as Moustakas, we have reason to try and re-sign him this offseason even as a 1B (at which point he should actually be able to learn the position).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 26, 2017 9:37:26 GMT -5
The Sox need offense. That is the need. They have to find it from somewhere, whether the fit is the greatest is probably a secondary concern. At this point, I'm really questioning if Sam Travis should start everyday over Hanley at DH. Unless they could DL Hanley for the rest of the season, they cannot afford to keep him on the roster doing nothing. It's just not happening. By far, the biggest need and upgrade opportunity is at 3B. Hanley could be a useful pinch hitter off the bench late in games for the catching position for offense. Hanley could also DH versus LHP fulltime and JD could give days off to guys in the outfield versus LHP. He'd have a role, just not a very big one.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 26, 2017 9:42:00 GMT -5
I'd rather see Hanley get benched versus Sam Travis. Hanley would simply be filling that role.
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Post by nomar on Jun 26, 2017 10:04:55 GMT -5
SSS and history says otherwise, but Hanley is really struggling vs LHP thus far in 2017.
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Post by ctfisher on Jun 26, 2017 13:11:12 GMT -5
SSS and history says otherwise, but Hanley is really struggling vs LHP thus far in 2017. Also for what it's worth, Travis has shown pretty wide platoon splits so I'm not sure what good it would do only starting him vs righties - kinda doubt he'd outproduce hanley in that context myself
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Post by jdb on Aug 1, 2017 18:06:45 GMT -5
Curious what everyone thinks he'll get as a FA next season? Is a $20 million a year guy like EE last offseason as primarily a DH?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2017 18:21:17 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by rookie13 on Aug 1, 2017 18:23:13 GMT -5
Curious what everyone thinks he'll get as a FA next season? Is a $20 million a year guy like EE last offseason as primarily a DH? Clearly he's a top tier bat, but his borderline atrocious defense in the outfield isn't going to help his case. He'll only be 30 when next season starts. I could see him getting a 5 year deal. Maybe 6 years if someone is desperate to get the bat. I don't think somewhere around 20M per year is far off. Last off-season, EE was held back to due age, so I see JD blowing past what he got (overall), since he's 4(?) years younger. I'll leave my guess at 5/110, or 6/125 if the bidding gets that high.
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Post by jdb on Aug 6, 2017 10:14:11 GMT -5
I agree EE was limited a tad with his age but I think the fact most saw him as a DH only hurt more. I don't think JD gets $100 but admit I could be way off. Also a lot of teams are gearing up for the following FA class. It will be interesting to see how that affects this years group.
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