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Post by patford on Jul 7, 2017 22:24:09 GMT -5
Aside from the luxury tax is there any reason the Sox should not bring Castillo up? I don't personally care about John Henry's wallet.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 7, 2017 22:28:30 GMT -5
Aside from the luxury tax is there any reason the Sox should not bring Castillo up? I don't personally care about John Henry's wallet. You think they need a 5th OF?
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Post by patford on Jul 7, 2017 23:15:29 GMT -5
Aside from the luxury tax is there any reason the Sox should not bring Castillo up? I don't personally care about John Henry's wallet. You think they need a 5th OF? I think he's better than Young.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2017 23:28:26 GMT -5
Aside from the luxury tax is there any reason the Sox should not bring Castillo up? I don't personally care about John Henry's wallet. That's a big aside....
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Post by patford on Jul 7, 2017 23:39:31 GMT -5
Aside from the luxury tax is there any reason the Sox should not bring Castillo up? I don't personally care about John Henry's wallet. That's a big aside.... In what way? Is there a rule change I have not noticed? Do the Sox sacrifice something? Are we supposed to weep for John Henry's bottom line? If he can't deal with it he can sell the team. The degree to which I don't worry about John Henry's bank account can not be calculated.
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 8, 2017 1:37:05 GMT -5
In what way? Is there a rule change I have not noticed? Do the Sox sacrifice something? Are we supposed to weep for John Henry's bottom line? If he can't deal with it he can sell the team. The degree to which I don't worry about John Henry's bank account can not be calculated. You shouldn't care about Henry's bottom line, but you should care that the Sox are using the resources that Henry provides them in the best way possible. If calling Castillo up causes the Sox to go over the Luxury Tax line, and that causes the Sox to lose an opportunity to spend that money in a better place later on, then you should certainly care.
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Post by Coreno on Jul 8, 2017 3:57:52 GMT -5
Yeah I just personally don't think Dombrowski likes Castillo all that much or the whole organization is down on him. They signed Chris Young when Rusney was here backing up in the outfield in the first place. This technically isn't true. When they signed CY, Castillo was projected to be the starting LF.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 8, 2017 4:57:28 GMT -5
Yeah I just personally don't think Dombrowski likes Castillo all that much or the whole organization is down on him. They signed Chris Young when Rusney was here backing up in the outfield in the first place. This technically isn't true. When they signed CY, Castillo was projected to be the starting LF. Yeah maybe but I don't remember seeing Castillo winning the job in 2015. I could be wrong but the couple of times he was in there in 2015 he was forgetting the number of outs, was a terrible baserunner, swinging at everything. He was a train wreck and I'm pretty sure there was a competition that lead to Brock Holt and Chris Young ultimately winning.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 8, 2017 7:30:14 GMT -5
This technically isn't true. When they signed CY, Castillo was projected to be the starting LF. Yeah maybe but I don't remember seeing Castillo winning the job in 2015. I could be wrong but the couple of times he was in there in 2015 he was forgetting the number of outs, was a terrible baserunner, swinging at everything. He was a train wreck and I'm pretty sure there was a competition that lead to Brock Holt and Chris Young ultimately winning. Spot on again Pedro. He did have his chances. It has major consequences for the team to make every effort to stay under the cap. 5% penalties are different than 50% penalties. In the next 2 or 3 years the salary structure is going to have a huge impact on the ability to have the sox sign their own guys as well as look at potential FA's. Henry is not going on welfare anytime soon, but each guy has a limit on spending money. $30 mil pitchers and possibly $40 mil position players. Tough for me to get my head around those types of numbers, even though I know that is the cost of doing business. I lived in the philly area when then the phils signed Pete Rose for $800 k a year and the fans were crying that they had spend WAY too much money for one guy. Right now salaries are going up way faster than the cap, so for a club like the sox they need to be very careful how they manage their salaries.
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Post by jchang on Jul 8, 2017 7:41:07 GMT -5
I would like to see Rusney get a Sep call up, assuming that his prorated salary for 2017 would fit under the cap. If he looks good, then by next spring, he could be given the following options: 1) continue to play in AAA, 2) find a team willing to take his salary and give us good AAA depth player, or 3) take a pay cut for a shot on the 25-man. For 3, he could get an opt out after 2018.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2017 8:08:16 GMT -5
In what way? Is there a rule change I have not noticed? Do the Sox sacrifice something? Are we supposed to weep for John Henry's bottom line? If he can't deal with it he can sell the team. The degree to which I don't worry about John Henry's bank account can not be calculated. Well yes, there was a rule change in the new CBA dealing with the loss of draft picks.
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Post by patford on Jul 8, 2017 8:12:04 GMT -5
In what way? Is there a rule change I have not noticed? Do the Sox sacrifice something? Are we supposed to weep for John Henry's bottom line? If he can't deal with it he can sell the team. The degree to which I don't worry about John Henry's bank account can not be calculated. Well yes, there was a rule change in the new CBA dealing with the loss of draft picks. Thanks. That's what I was looking for.
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Post by patford on Jul 8, 2017 9:59:56 GMT -5
From FORBES: "Luxury Tax offenders and the draft: Beginning in 2018, clubs with a payroll $40 million or more above the Tax Threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places, except that the top six selections will be protected and those Clubs will have their 2nd highest selection moved back 10 places."
So bringing up Castillo now would do nothing except cause a financial hit. If John Henry can not afford to run the Sox. If he is losing money. Then he should sell the team. And teams will not forfeit draft picks.
One factor may be that if they call Castillo up then he would have to clear waivers if he was sent back down. Of course that already happened once before and he wasn't claimed. However at that time he looked like a lost cause. Interest might be greater (almost certainly would be) today.
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 8, 2017 11:19:19 GMT -5
So if Henry doesn't burn his money using the specific lighter fluid you want him to use then he should sell his team? That seems totally logical.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2017 11:43:34 GMT -5
From FORBES: "Luxury Tax offenders and the draft: Beginning in 2018, clubs with a payroll $40 million or more above the Tax Threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places, except that the top six selections will be protected and those Clubs will have their 2nd highest selection moved back 10 places." So bringing up Castillo now would do nothing except cause a financial hit. If John Henry can not afford to run the Sox. If he is losing money. Then he should sell the team. And teams will not forfeit draft picks. One factor may be that if they call Castillo up then he would have to clear waivers if he was sent back down. Of course that already happened once before and he wasn't claimed. However at that time he looked like a lost cause. Interest might be greater (almost certainly would be) today. Yikes, I missed a year. This past off-season, every team was able to get under the cap except the Dodgers. It's not the draft pick, it's the desire to reset the clock because this coming off-season there will be a lot of players worth exceeding the cap for.
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Post by patford on Jul 8, 2017 11:44:17 GMT -5
So if Henry doesn't burn his money using the specific lighter fluid you want him to use then he should sell his team? That seems totally logical. I'd like to see him spend his money to help the team win. I'm being sarcastic because I seriously doubt he's going broke because of the Sox or that paying extra to see if Castillo could help the team would financially ruin him.
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Post by soxjim on Jul 8, 2017 12:17:51 GMT -5
The problem with having Castillo on the bench, is that raw speed aside, he struggled mightily to run the bases in his short time up. Maybe he's gotten better since then? As an armchair GM, since I have three center fielders in Betts/JBJ/Benintendi, I'd look for a LF-only profile 4th outfielder. Because regardless of which of the three is on the DL, the 4th OF wouldn't have to play CF or RF. Chris Young is perfect for the role I have in mind. Lefty masher, can pinch hit or carry at DH sometimes. Brentz fits the mold if he can hit MLB pitching. Castillo is overqualified defensively, but not ideal offensively. Castillo's never been a good basestealer and his baserunning instincts weren't great the last time he was in the majors, but in terms of going first to third or scoring from second on a single, given his raw speed, he's an asset. Having a LF-only guy as your fourth outfielder works if you're willing to shift your other outfielders around, but Farrell doesn't like to do that. When Betts gets a rare day off, Young plays RF (28 innings there this reason), which is not ideal (especially in Fenway). Maybe Farrell would be more flexible if there was a longer-term injury (as opposed to single game fill-ins), but maybe not. Castillo's skill set is less sexy than Brentz's, but I'm pretty confident that Castillo is the better player by a decent margin. Honestly, I think there's a good chance he's a better player than Chris Young right now. Castillo's skill set is less sexy than Brentz's, but I'm pretty confident that Castillo is the better player by a decent margin. Honestly, I think there's a good chance he's a better player than Chris Young right now.
I doubt this.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jul 8, 2017 12:43:24 GMT -5
Rusney looked like an outstanding defender in the outfield, and his speed and arm allow him to play all three spots as well as do things on the bases which a little rare in a bench guy. The bat doesnt really play (hasn't yet I should say)
Youngs value in hitting lefties is there, but he is getting older and Brocks value is tied to the infield.
Barring injury or a packaged trade hes stuck tearing up AAA.
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Post by prangerx on Jul 8, 2017 19:59:14 GMT -5
The trouble is once you promote Castillo his contract goes on the tax until the end. The rules have changed, so outwriting him again won't take him off the tax. No one is claiming Rusney on waivers. No one wants to be stuck with that contract The Red Sox would love it since they would be free of his deal entirely. If he played well enough to interest teams the Sox wouldn't expose him to waivers anyway. Unfortunately its hard for teams to know how Triple A numbers will translate to the big league's. Especially for a guy that is going to be 30.
I don't doubt he is at least a major league bench player. But not worth 10 million dollars. Sox might go over the tax after this year when they won't be repeat offenders. But they will be careful not to limit themselves for the 2018 class. Granted most of our guaranteed contracts will start to expire after that.
I would love to see Castillo get a chance but its a very hard decision for the sox to make. If they trade him and eat his contract they won't get much back.
I'm not going to get on Henry for not spending money. The Red Sox are always in the top 5 high payrolls. The problem is they have not always spent it wisely in recent yewrs. Luckily, Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley, and Benintendi have helped to minimize those mistakes.
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Post by michael on Jul 8, 2017 22:09:10 GMT -5
Perhaps the extra money saved is being spent improving the Liverpool team. Just saving some hater from having to post.
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Post by jdb on Jul 19, 2017 12:17:00 GMT -5
Jim Duequette was on his show today and said starting next year Rusney has to be counted on the tax. Does anyone know if that's correct?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 19, 2017 16:12:18 GMT -5
Jim Duequette was on his show today and said starting next year Rusney has to be counted on the tax. Does anyone know if that's correct? I have no idea why that'd be true.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jul 19, 2017 20:13:25 GMT -5
Regarding Castillo and others whose contracts don't equate to their performance... what are your thought on a player agreeing to rip up and renegotiate the contract to make himself more marketable? Didn't ARod try something like this years ago and the union or MLB reject it? I know MLB contracts are guaranteed, as opposed to the NFL, where we often see players/teams renegotiate deals.
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Post by rookie13 on Jul 19, 2017 20:26:38 GMT -5
Regarding Castillo and others whose contracts don't equate to their performance... what are your thought on a player agreeing to rip up and renegotiate the contract to make himself more marketable? Didn't ARod try something like this years ago and the union or MLB reject it? I know MLB contracts are guaranteed, as opposed to the NFL, where we often see players/teams renegotiate deals. Not an answer to your question, but didn't Jason Bay agree to give up salary when the Mets were done with him?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 19, 2017 22:23:18 GMT -5
Regarding Castillo and others whose contracts don't equate to their performance... what are your thought on a player agreeing to rip up and renegotiate the contract to make himself more marketable? Didn't ARod try something like this years ago and the union or MLB reject it? I know MLB contracts are guaranteed, as opposed to the NFL, where we often see players/teams renegotiate deals. I think it would help players in situations like Castillo is in now, but as you mentioned with Arod, the union would never allow it. Only way i think a player can take less money is if they are retiring and agree to some type of severance. (so they retire rather than show up for spring training when they know they can't play)
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