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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jul 17, 2017 20:10:23 GMT -5
While no one's suggesting Jimenez is the second coming of C.C. Sabathia... he's having an All Star season at High A Salem at age 21. Yet he's nowhere to be seen on this site, not even at the very bottom of prospects... and not even after the mid-season prospect re-adjustment. I understand his fitness is bad, but I'm wondering whether his stuff has made some sort of leap and should he be considered more seriously looking ahead. Thoughts?
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Post by soxinnj on Jul 17, 2017 20:53:45 GMT -5
Was thinking the exact same thing. His stuff doesn't seem to play up as a frontline starter, but he seems to log innings (2nd in the system) and throws strikes.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 17, 2017 21:54:45 GMT -5
Im not sure if this will do anything for you, but I find that this is a great way to look everyone up. However, I am not sure how often profiles are updated when they are not in the top prospects list. If you go to the home page on soxprospects.com up top you will see a tab for "Team Rosters." Click that and you can choose anybody in the system essentially. So as far as Jimenez goes they dont seem to be too high on him outside of an organizational arm. I appologize if this doesn't help you, but I thought it may. Im sure on of the vets on these forums can step in at a some point.
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Post by h11233 on Jul 17, 2017 22:35:05 GMT -5
I've also been curious about this for a while now.
His K/9 numbers are improved this year (among other things) in high A, which you wouldn't expect from the description in his profile. What gives? Are there first hand reports that can give some insight? I searched the forums recently and all that came up were game day threads
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Post by ramireja on Jul 17, 2017 22:36:58 GMT -5
This article was posted in the gameday thread after his last start. It makes note of his slider that was referred to as his wipeout pitch. Take everything with a grain of salt because this is his pitching coach speaking, but it sounds like he's mixing 4 pitches and has pretty advanced command. I'd guess his secondaries, and perhaps the slider in particular, have taken a step forward. Given the dude's frame, I doubt he's added any velocity to his fastball which I think typically sits 87-89 (see here for another scouting report, albeit from 2015). All in all, I'd caution on becoming too excited about Jimenez. That said, a spot in the 50-60 range wouldn't be absurd, and really, I'm not sure his stuff projects much differently than say....Roniel Raudes.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 17, 2017 23:13:06 GMT -5
There's also this brief note from Longenhagen back on June 7:
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2017 10:41:24 GMT -5
I got a report on him from his last start, and it was more of the same: Fringy stuff, good command, bad body. Maybe he sneaks his way to the majors in an emergency. Wasn't anything I didn't expect to hear.
I'll just say that Dedgar's season feels a lot like a common phenomenon we see where a guy's been around for a while and then has a pretty good season. At some point, people start to notice (rightfully). Then perhaps a statistically inclined poster will run some numbers and deem the improvement to be statistically significant and likely real (meh). 95% of the time, the player that looked and quacked like a duck for several years before turning into a sort-of goose for a season turns back into a duck the next year or upon promotion.
Maybe one could argue for Dedgar being ranked somewhere in the back third of our rankings. I wouldn't begrudge anyone that - there are probably guys there you could make a good argument you'd like less than Dedgar.
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Post by badfishnbc on Jul 18, 2017 11:54:30 GMT -5
I like his name. Really want to head to Fenway to see Dedgar the Destroyer.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 18, 2017 12:28:55 GMT -5
Seen him live a couple of times of the past two seasons. Like many have reported, there just isn't much there in terms of "stuff," and he doesn't have any extra jump on a fastball that a bigger pitcher might have. Taking advantage of being in the league for a second time. Need guys like him to provide depth at the lower levels and help teams win, which although isn't necessarily a major factor in the minors, I firmly believe that the legit prospects playing on competitive teams and making the playoffs helps
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Post by Coreno on Jul 18, 2017 12:59:37 GMT -5
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jul 18, 2017 20:54:53 GMT -5
Thanks. I saw him here in Winston-Salem a few weeks ago. He pitched well and seems to have put together a solid High A season as an All-Star. Didn't know whether he'd stepped up his control/speed or anything that might warrant him moving into more serious potential prospect status.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2017 23:02:32 GMT -5
Thanks. I saw him here in Winston-Salem a few weeks ago. He pitched well and seems to have put together a solid High A season as an All-Star. Didn't know whether he'd stepped up his control/speed or anything that might warrant him moving into more serious potential prospect status. Only because I've noticed you've brought this up a couple times now, but making a minor league all-star team really doesn't mean much. Consider, for example, the loaded 2015 Drive roster, which had 8 all-stars. While the names like Kopech, Devers, Dubon, and even Guerra are the ones you'd expect, there was also Jordan Procyshen, Mario Alcantara, Ben Moore, and Derek Miller. Alcantara and Moore never made it past Salem, and Procyshen had an NRI this year but has had a pretty down campaign for Portland. Miller was cut after bouncing around between the A-ball teams and Portland. There's very little correlation between minor league all-star appearances and prospect status, or at least less than you might think. Consider that top prospects are challenged more at age-advanced levels and are promoted mid-season, which can keep them from being named to all-star teams.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 20, 2017 19:39:10 GMT -5
Did Dedgar get promoted to Portland.
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Post by boydhurstlovechild on Jul 21, 2017 6:30:59 GMT -5
Big Dead. You gotta at least say well done to the kid? Even BoydHurstLoveChild thinks the odds that his stuff can play at AA sounds pretty unlikely. You never know though, right? Baseball is a funny game. "Maybe he sneaks his way to the majors in an emergency. Wasn't anything I didn't expect to hear." The 21 year old not even ranked? Sneaking into the majors ain't nothing to sniff at.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 21, 2017 7:53:55 GMT -5
I got a report on him from his last start, and it was more of the same: Fringy stuff, good command, bad body. Maybe he sneaks his way to the majors in an emergency. Wasn't anything I didn't expect to hear. I'll just say that Dedgar's season feels a lot like a common phenomenon we see where a guy's been around for a while and then has a pretty good season. At some point, people start to notice (rightfully). Then perhaps a statistically inclined poster will run some numbers and deem the improvement to be statistically significant and likely real (meh). 95% of the time, the player that looked and quacked like a duck for several years before turning into a sort-of goose for a season turns back into a duck the next year or upon promotion. Maybe one could argue for Dedgar being ranked somewhere in the back third of our rankings. I wouldn't begrudge anyone that - there are probably guys there you could make a good argument you'd like less than Dedgar. Please respect the ducks. They are not some lower class citizen to the Goose. Ducks are tasty tasty animals and should be shown some proper respect. Thank you.
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Post by soxinnj on Jul 23, 2017 13:06:31 GMT -5
3 hitless innings in his first outing at Portland. I'm sure I will jinx him, and he has walked 4 guys, but not terrible.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 24, 2018 17:23:58 GMT -5
Saw him pitch for the first time today (not in person). Dedgar is a large human being. I think it’s impressive when guys are able to compensate for a lack of conventional athleticism (though he is a good athlete for his size). Shows that he has true pitching skill.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 24, 2018 19:00:06 GMT -5
I see a left handed "El Guapo" in Jimenez.
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Post by giltg on Feb 25, 2018 6:24:41 GMT -5
When Dedgar Jimenez took the mound yesterday against the Rays he reminded me of someone and couldn't place it. I remember now.
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