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7/28-7/30 Red Sox vs. Royals Series Thread
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Post by station13 on Jul 30, 2017 15:53:44 GMT -5
Mookie with a long and slow swing. Pop up after pop ups
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2017 15:54:13 GMT -5
We look for anywhere on the internet to get away from the WEEI and talk radio fans. This is/was one of the only places for reasonable Red Sox fans. The reasonable people are the ones defending David Price? sounds ass backwards man, but do what you gotta do and keep telling yourself that you are one of the good guys for not being critical. You'll complain about the haters before they even say anything lol. If you think it's reasonable that Price went on the DL only because he didn't want to face the fans in Fenway, then you'd be better off listening to Felger and Mazz.
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Post by wesmantooth on Jul 30, 2017 15:54:23 GMT -5
Man i never thought we'd see Devers essentially getting pitched around to get to Betts in 2017.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 30, 2017 15:55:27 GMT -5
Positives - Pomeranz. Workman. Devers. Vazquez. Nice try for a comeback
Big issues - bridge to Kimbrel (Barnes not the answer), continuing struggles for Benny, Xander, Mookie, Moreland, Hanley (some hits, but not in big spots).
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Post by wesmantooth on Jul 30, 2017 15:55:32 GMT -5
The reasonable people are the ones defending David Price? sounds ass backwards man, but do what you gotta do and keep telling yourself that you are one of the good guys for not being critical. You'll complain about the haters before they even say anything lol. If you think it's reasonable that Price went on the DL only because he didn't want to face the fans in Fenway, then you'd be better off listening to Felger and Mazz. Now we're putting words in peoples mouths.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 30, 2017 15:55:34 GMT -5
This should be the last game where Devers is in the 9 hole BTW.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2017 15:56:37 GMT -5
If you think it's reasonable that Price went on the DL only because he didn't want to face the fans in Fenway, then you'd be better off listening to Felger and Mazz. Now we're putting words in peoples mouths. Nope, those were the people I was arguing with.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 30, 2017 15:56:45 GMT -5
Thoughts on how you piece this line up together right now....I've no clue. Except Devers is not in the 9 spot.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 30, 2017 15:57:53 GMT -5
Positives - Pomeranz. Workman. Devers. Vazquez. Nice try for a comeback Big issues - bridge to Kimbrel (Barnes not the answer), continuing struggles for Benny, Xander, Mookie, Moreland, Hanley (some hits, but not in big spots). I think this is an extremely accurate assessment of where we are at the moment. Just need to add that fister as a starting pitcher is a problem as well. Would like to see Kelly get healthy here soon.
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Post by wesmantooth on Jul 30, 2017 16:05:51 GMT -5
Thoughts on how you piece this line up together right now....I've no clue. Except Devers is not in the 9 spot. Pedroia Bradley Betts Hanley Benintendi Nunez Devers Moreland Catcher 10 day DL Bogaerts
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 30, 2017 16:28:59 GMT -5
The reasonable people are the ones defending David Price? sounds ass backwards man, but do what you gotta do and keep telling yourself that you are one of the good guys for not being critical. You'll complain about the haters before they even say anything lol. If you think it's reasonable that Price went on the DL only because he didn't want to face the fans in Fenway, then you'd be better off listening to Felger and Mazz. I don't listen to Felger & Mazz, or the WEEI equivalent. I find most sports talk radio neither informs nor entertains, at least not to my taste. But I do find it entirely plausible that management saw the sh*tstorm a'brewing and decided to short-circuit it by having Price miss the homestand. It wouldn't be the first time this group made a PR-centric baseball decision.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 30, 2017 16:30:15 GMT -5
What a stinky team.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 30, 2017 16:47:58 GMT -5
Tough start to the 2nd half. Stay strong guys, we need to let this whole thing play out before we give up the ship. What we need now is belief. Our guys will be there at the end.
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2017 17:45:08 GMT -5
Talk about having too much time on your hands - going back over posts to find posting patterns? Sad. We are all fans, we all have our views, we are all passionate, I suspect we use boards like this to share the joy, but also the frustrations. There is certainly lots of reasons for optimism on this team - but it has been a season loaded with frustration as well. Good to have a place to air it out. Citation Needed And you do realize it takes about 5 minutes to sift through a couple hundred posts that are mostly filled with "lol Farrell" "lol this team sux" Just a thought-- look through your own posts and count how many are centered around complaining about other posters. A lot of folks post in the major league gameday thread to blow off steam. We acknowledge and allow that, within reason. If you have an issue reading folks' complaints, maybe don't read the gameday thread when the team is losing.
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2017 17:47:42 GMT -5
(To be clear, you're also free to respond to all the overreactionary "fire Farrell"/"this team blows" posts in here. Just pointing out that they're here to stay.)
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 30, 2017 18:13:18 GMT -5
Positives - Pomeranz. Workman. Devers. Vazquez. Nice try for a comeback Big issues - bridge to Kimbrel (Barnes not the answer), continuing struggles for Benny, Xander, Mookie, Moreland, Hanley (some hits, but not in big spots). I think this is an extremely accurate assessment of where we are at the moment. Just need to add that fister as a starting pitcher is a problem as well. Would like to see Kelly get healthy here soon. Agreed, the Red Sox can't afford to just give away games, Fister should not start another game.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2017 18:28:30 GMT -5
Another frustrating loss in a season of frustrating losses. It's more fun to post when they win then when they lose and when they win, the issues seem lesser or for at least that day don't matter as much.
Unfortunately, this team is playing really crappy baseball. I don't think a fan has to sugar coat this to remain a fan. When the team is playing good baseball say so. When they're playing bad baseball, say so. It's not always the fault of the manager. The players do have a say in who wins or loses.
The two biggest issues are the lame offense and the uncertainty of the bridge to Kimbrel, assuming that David Price can come back healthy enough and that at some point Xander gets healthy - it seems to me Xander should be on the DL right now and Lin or Marrero should be up playing SS. At the moment Xander is struggling mightily on both offense and defense - and I don't feel the need to point out that he had a 2-4 yesterday because he's been very bad the past month and his defense has been lousy - it's not hard to connect the dots and say it has to do with him getting hit on the finger.
I have no doubt that Dombrowski will get a reliever. Probably it's Reed or bust because he'd have to give up a huge chunk of his remaining farm system to get Hand or Wilson. I don't think they want to settle for Kintzler.
I do wish he'd get Bruce (still can't believe I'm saying this), although I do worry about acquisition cost, and staying under the limit. I think Moreland isn't going to give us much going forward.
At this point when you can't pull out a game with Mookie Betts, who has been rather ordinary most of the season, at the plate, when can you? Until the rest of the lineup gets their act together, it won't matter.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 30, 2017 20:34:30 GMT -5
Sox have not won a series since Texas July 2-4. Anyone still think this is a playoff team? I hate to admit it it but I think, with the offense being so anemic and Price going down, making the playoffs, never mind advancing further than last year, is unrealistic at this juncture. Other teams, esp NYY, would have to implode and at the same time this team would have to start winning not just A series but several of them, and would likely need to win decisively all the upcoming series against NYY and TB.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2017 20:47:21 GMT -5
Sox have not won a series since Texas July 2-4. Anyone still think this is a playoff team? I hate to admit it it but I think, with the offense being so anemic and Price going down, making the playoffs, never mind advancing further than last year, is unrealistic at this juncture. Other teams, esp NYY, would have to implode and at the same time this team would have to start winning not just A series but several of them, and would likely need to win decisively all the upcoming series against NYY and TB. It'll be a playoff team with Sale making the difference. The bar isn't that high to be a Wild Card. I think they'll have a stretch where they play better, but this isn't a team that I think will go too far. They won't finish ahead of NY. Of that I'm sure. The Yankees already had their crappy stretch fueled by a failing bullpen that has been rectified and reinforced. They'll eventually leave the Red Sox in the dust as they start playing up to their pythag record. I expect them to win about 95 games. The Sox will end up in the upper 80s or lower 90s if they get really hot. I don't anticipate the Red Sox going much beyond the first round if they even get past the Wild Card game, which even with Sale pitching wouldn't surprise me if they lose.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 30, 2017 21:14:12 GMT -5
Here's what I want to focus on. This is the core of an excellent team - largely home grown (well, not the pitchers for the most part), but a great basis of promising youth. Of course, it will be important (possible?) to keep them together. I like the idea of a Benny, Bradley, Mookie outfield, and a Devers, Xander, infield with Pedey as long as he can hold up and...Travis? - at first...Leon actually seems to be improving (too streaky), and Vazquez has enough pop in his bat to improve...and that arm. (gotta get a bit better at blocking bad pitches).
Sale, ERod (if he can get through this knee stuff), Pomeranz, Porcello, Johnson (may want to purchase one more medium level starter)....Kimbrel, Workman, and if they get healthy, Kelly, Smith, Thornburg. A few more parts needed there...gotta build that secure bridge to Kimbrel. Notice I don't have Price there - I am not sold he wants to be on this team, or is at his best on this team - and in this city.
My other big question - can they win with this team with Farrell as the manager? His overall record is not great - 2013 was a unique team, a flukey team - but he likes a veteran squad with numerous leaders, I think - his motivation of and support of lots of youth is not a given for me. And what is Chili Davis telling these hitters?
They may make the wild card this year....but I think they will show better next year and beyond as all of this youth goes through what they are going through now - soph slumps, loss of confidence, pressing, some bad habits, etc.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 30, 2017 21:42:38 GMT -5
Sox have not won a series since Texas July 2-4. Anyone still think this is a playoff team? I hate to admit it it but I think, with the offense being so anemic and Price going down, making the playoffs, never mind advancing further than last year, is unrealistic at this juncture. Other teams, esp NYY, would have to implode and at the same time this team would have to start winning not just A series but several of them, and would likely need to win decisively all the upcoming series against NYY and TB. I think that saying this isn't a playoff team is a massive overreaction to what has been a tough, but not horrendous, month of baseball. The bats will come alive. They are too talented not to. Devers may be the answer to the black hole at third, and Nunez makes it easier to give guys a day off here and there to get everyone healthy(ish). The rotation, outside of Fister, has been quite good. I really don't understand the doomsday perspective some are taking.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 31, 2017 2:12:05 GMT -5
Other teams, esp NYY, would have to implode and at the same time this team would have to start winning not just A series but several of them, and would likely need to win decisively all the upcoming series against NYY and TB. Come on guys, I'm really harsh on the Sox constantly but at least I try to be realistic. The Yankees don't need to "implode" for the Sox to win the division. The Yankees only have to be 3 games worse in the loss column. The Yankees also have 3 more games left to play over the Sox and could easily lose two of them. The Sox play their last 4 games against Houston at the end of the season too, which means the Sox will be playing Houston's AAA team 80 percent of the time. Houston will have wrapped up their division by 15 games by then and they will be resting their everyday players.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 31, 2017 6:49:23 GMT -5
Other teams, esp NYY, would have to implode and at the same time this team would have to start winning not just A series but several of them, and would likely need to win decisively all the upcoming series against NYY and TB. Come on guys, I'm really harsh on the Sox constantly but at least I try to be realistic. The Yankees don't need to "implode" for the Sox to win the division. The Yankees only have to be 3 games worse in the loss column. The Yankees also have 3 more games left to play over the Sox and could easily lose two of them. The Sox play their last 4 games against Houston at the end of the season too, which means the Sox will be playing Houston's AAA team 80 percent of the time. Houston will have wrapped up their division by 15 games by then and they will be resting their everyday players. The Yankees already imploded. Their bullpen blew a bunch of games in the middle innings and the Yankees lost a bunch of close games. I wouldn't count on that happening again now that they've fixed that issue. Can the Red Sox finish ahead of them? Sure, they're only 1/2 game out. But realistically, the Yankees are a better team than the Red Sox. Eventually the Red Sox will stop scoring two runs a game or whatever they're averaging the past month, but overall, the Yankees still have the better balanced team, as shows in their pythag record. I anticipate the Red Sox will play better, certainly good enough to snag the lead wild card spot, but I think the Yanks will be even better. Their lineup has the thunder ours doesn't. It reflects in their runs scored totals versus the Red Sox runs totals. The Sox pitching is better at ace and closer but the overall gap isn't that wide. Severino has emerged as an ace while if they get Gray, that gives them four good starters and a serviceable 5th in Garcia while their pen is deeper although a Reed acquisition could make the bullpens more even. Price and E-Rod need to get healthy to ensure the Red Sox have a better rotation.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2017 7:00:44 GMT -5
Come on guys, I'm really harsh on the Sox constantly but at least I try to be realistic. The Yankees don't need to "implode" for the Sox to win the division. The Yankees only have to be 3 games worse in the loss column. The Yankees also have 3 more games left to play over the Sox and could easily lose two of them. The Sox play their last 4 games against Houston at the end of the season too, which means the Sox will be playing Houston's AAA team 80 percent of the time. Houston will have wrapped up their division by 15 games by then and they will be resting their everyday players. The Yankees already imploded. Their bullpen blew a bunch of games in the middle innings and the Yankees lost a bunch of close games. I wouldn't count on that happening again now that they've fixed that issue. Can the Red Sox finish ahead of them? Sure, they're only 1/2 game out. But realistically, the Yankees are a better team than the Red Sox. Eventually the Red Sox will stop scoring two runs a game or whatever they're averaging the past month, but overall, the Yankees still have the better balanced team, as shows in their pythag record. I anticipate the Red Sox will play better, certainly good enough to snag the lead wild card spot, but I think the Yanks will be even better. Their lineup has the thunder ours doesn't. It reflects in their runs scored totals versus the Red Sox runs totals. The Sox pitching is better at ace and closer but the overall gap isn't that wide. Severino has emerged as an ace while if they get Gray, that gives them four good starters and a serviceable 5th in Garcia while their pen is deeper although a Reed acquisition could make the bullpens more even. Price and E-Rod need to get healthy to ensure the Red Sox have a better rotation. Fangraphs still disagrees and has the Red Sox winning the division.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 31, 2017 7:03:39 GMT -5
Come on guys, I'm really harsh on the Sox constantly but at least I try to be realistic. The Yankees don't need to "implode" for the Sox to win the division. The Yankees only have to be 3 games worse in the loss column. The Yankees also have 3 more games left to play over the Sox and could easily lose two of them. The Sox play their last 4 games against Houston at the end of the season too, which means the Sox will be playing Houston's AAA team 80 percent of the time. Houston will have wrapped up their division by 15 games by then and they will be resting their everyday players. The Yankees already imploded. Their bullpen blew a bunch of games in the middle innings and the Yankees lost a bunch of close games. I wouldn't count on that happening again now that they've fixed that issue. Can the Red Sox finish ahead of them? Sure, they're only 1/2 game out. But realistically, the Yankees are a better team than the Red Sox. Eventually the Red Sox will stop scoring two runs a game or whatever they're averaging the past month, but overall, the Yankees still have the better balanced team, as shows in their pythag record. I anticipate the Red Sox will play better, certainly good enough to snag the lead wild card spot, but I think the Yanks will be even better. Their lineup has the thunder ours doesn't. It reflects in their runs scored totals versus the Red Sox runs totals. The Sox pitching is better at ace and closer but the overall gap isn't that wide. Severino has emerged as an ace while if they get Gray, that gives them four good starters and a serviceable 5th in Garcia while their pen is deeper although a Reed acquisition could make the bullpens more even. Price and E-Rod need to get healthy to ensure the Red Sox have a better rotation. -Severino has never thrown anything close to 200 innings a season, nevermind the pace he is on -Sonny Gray makes them a little better, but I can see Gray turning into a pumpkin after going from a pitcher's park in Oakland to the bandbox in New York. -The Sox are every bit as good as the Yankees and are probably better. The Sox have been imploding as we speak. Needless to say they probably got their worst stretch of the season out of the way also.
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