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Post by jdb on Aug 1, 2017 18:11:32 GMT -5
With it looking like we will be in the 1B market this offseason I was curious what everyone felt Hosmer will get on the market? Is he a $100 million guy or more like Belt? He looks like a good fit for Fenway but I wouldn get crazy.
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Post by rookie13 on Aug 1, 2017 19:32:20 GMT -5
I can't imagine a scenario where the Sox sign him. Since he's debuted, every season seems to alternate from good/really good, to replacement level. His defensive metrics are also nothing to brag about.
His agent is Boras, and this past off season he had already floated the idea of Hosmer potentially getting 10 years due to his age. While that's obviously absurd, he'll still probably get at least 5-6 years, and I want no part of that contract.
I don't think he's good enough to make a long term commitment to. Especially at 1B.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 2, 2017 9:35:02 GMT -5
Hard pass.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 2, 2017 11:09:25 GMT -5
He's like Porcello with his up and down performances. You would be stupid to give a guy like that 5-6 years. Boras is great at selling players, but Hosmer is going to be hard. Nevermind his D is so bad. Even coming off a great year he could find it very hard to get a 100 million. I wouldn't give it to him.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 2, 2017 12:28:39 GMT -5
He's like Porcello with his up and down performances. You would be stupid to give a guy like that 5-6 years. Boras is great at selling players, but Hosmer is going to be hard. Nevermind his D is so bad. Even coming off a great year he could find it very hard to get a 100 million. I wouldn't give it to him. TOTALLY agree here. 45 for 3 maybe. But that I think is the top offer. A good defensive 1st baseman is very under valued. He makes the rest of the infield look that much better.
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Post by nomar on Aug 2, 2017 21:48:42 GMT -5
Hosmer is one of the most overrated players in baseball and he's the type of guy that wears sunglasses inside. I don't particularly like either of those things.
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Post by jdb on Aug 6, 2017 10:21:24 GMT -5
He's like Porcello with his up and down performances. You would be stupid to give a guy like that 5-6 years. Boras is great at selling players, but Hosmer is going to be hard. Nevermind his D is so bad. Even coming off a great year he could find it very hard to get a 100 million. I wouldn't give it to him. I agree with a lot of this. The factors that do make him appealing to me are his age, spray chart shows some poop power and I believe there could be more power in there that's limited by KCs small ball approach. I'm interested at Belts money maybe close to $100.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 6, 2017 23:46:05 GMT -5
I'd rather pass on a player likely to be paid for his good years and not taking into account all his bad years. Any where near a 100 million is doing just that. Just like with Porcello, 2016 was great, 2017 not so much.
If you're going to spend that much, get JD Martinez. Even at DH I would trust his bat over Hosmer.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 13, 2017 8:40:38 GMT -5
I was hoping Sam Travis would have taken charge as the future 1B option. Still time to finish strong and display that RH power we were expecting.
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Post by m1keyboots on Aug 13, 2017 10:48:08 GMT -5
Leave Hosmer be. Porcello earned his contract with a Cy Young. Hos isnt winning an MVP anytime soon.
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Post by doctorduck21 on Aug 13, 2017 12:15:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't want Hosmer at what he'll cost. He's been a replacement level player two of the last four year. Not saying he'll be bad guaranteed but he's been very inconsistent. According to Fangraphs, these are his last four years
2014: 0.0 war 2015: 3.4 2016: -0.2 2017: 2.2 so far
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Post by soxinnj on Aug 13, 2017 12:42:12 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there. What about Moreland for another year? He was great at the plate the beginning,broke his toe and really struggled but has been better as of late. He still has played good D. I doubt he'd be expensive and I bet would be due for a rebound year.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 13, 2017 12:46:14 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there. What about Moreland for another year? He was great at the plate the beginning,broke his toe and really struggled but has been better as of late. He still has played good D. I doubt he'd be expensive and I bet would be due for a rebound year. It's probably the most likely thing to happen. It's not exciting, but it's definitely better than another disaster contract like Hosmer probably will turn out to be.
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Post by jdb on Aug 13, 2017 12:52:58 GMT -5
A healthy Moreland would be fine. I wonder if Neil Walker could transition over?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 13, 2017 14:40:14 GMT -5
I would look at the group of 1B and do another 1 year contract. Moreland would be ok, or a guy like Duda if he would sign for that. You then have Travis, Chavis and Ock as depth/potential upgrades.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 13, 2017 14:46:06 GMT -5
I was hoping Sam Travis would have taken charge as the future 1B option. Still time to finish strong and display that RH power we were expecting. I think you mean hoping he would discover/grow into. Overall not many people think Travis will be a big power hitter. Maybe 20 in his prime. His swing kills his chance at great power. It's hard to play his bat on a team that lacks power.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 8, 2017 1:57:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't want Hosmer at what he'll cost. He's been a replacement level player two of the last four year. Not saying he'll be bad guaranteed but he's been very inconsistent. According to Fangraphs, these are his last four years 2014: 0.0 war 2015: 3.4 2016: -0.2 2017: 2.2 so far People should simply stop using fWAR. It uses UZR for defense, which hasn't been tweaked since its inception and isn't even included in SABR's aggregate defensive metric developed for Rawlings GG voters. Over the last 5 years Hosmer has 12.4 bWAR versus Fanfraph's 9.9 (he has 1.3 fWAR in the 3 1/2 weeks since you posted those numbers). He's averaged 2.5 bWAR per 150 games, but he has also averaged 0.8 WAR of clutch hitting. His bases empty / RISP, leverage, late and close, and 7th inning and on (especially 9th and extras) splits are all great. That stuff is real. And he's got a ridiculous Fenway swing. He's really a platoon player, and I would use him as such, mostly. He's basically a better, younger Moreland. I would pursue him at the right price and re-sign Moreland if other teams outbid us.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 10, 2017 10:17:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't want Hosmer at what he'll cost. He's been a replacement level player two of the last four year. Not saying he'll be bad guaranteed but he's been very inconsistent. According to Fangraphs, these are his last four years 2014: 0.0 war 2015: 3.4 2016: -0.2 2017: 2.2 so far People should simply stop using fWAR. It uses UZR for defense, which hasn't been tweaked since its inception and isn't even included in SABR's aggregate defensive metric developed for Rawlings GG voters. Over the last 5 years Hosmer has 12.4 bWAR versus Fanfraph's 9.9 (he has 1.3 fWAR in the 3 1/2 weeks since you posted those numbers). He's averaged 2.5 bWAR per 150 games, but he has also averaged 0.8 WAR of clutch hitting. His bases empty / RISP, leverage, late and close, and 7th inning and on (especially 9th and extras) splits are all great. That stuff is real. And he's got a ridiculous Fenway swing. He's really a platoon player, and I would use him as such, mostly. He's basically a better, younger Moreland. I would pursue him at the right price and re-sign Moreland if other teams outbid us. The problem is, Farrell wouldn't use him in a platoon situation.
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