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8/7 Gameday Thread: 2 DH’s, 2 off days, & Groome
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 7, 2017 6:44:34 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 7, 2017 10:13:00 GMT -5
Interesting that Swihart is playing first base today for the GCL Sox.
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Post by gerry on Aug 7, 2017 10:39:57 GMT -5
The Velasquez/Brentz/Castillo/Lin/Marrero/Travis game is on NESN at 7pm ET. Did I miss anyone? Yes.
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 7, 2017 10:43:47 GMT -5
Interesting that Swihart is playing first base today for the GCL Sox. They had said they were going to get him reps at 1B and 3B during his rehab. Although I would have thought third would have come first. |
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 7, 2017 11:12:48 GMT -5
Castellanos starts his day with an RBI single then scores after a double. Average up to .390. He's gonna hit .400 pretty soon
Second game has Ramfis Berroa playing. It's been a long while since he played I think.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 7, 2017 13:52:36 GMT -5
Interesting that Swihart is playing first base today for the GCL Sox. They had said they were going to get him reps at 1B and 3B during his rehab. Although I would have thought third would have come first. Hey Abbott!😀 |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 7, 2017 15:38:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the point is of Swihart learning new positions when he hasn't shown much ability to hit for the last 2 injury filled seasons. What a huge disappointment he has been. He's out of options next year so we'll probably lose him for nothing. I don't see much of a trade market.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 7, 2017 15:57:44 GMT -5
The team has stated that they're playing him at other positions because his ankles won't allow him to catch regularly right now.
Of course, that begs the question of why they couldn't just DH him, then, but I think the idea might be that if he can't catch every day, they might as well have him work a bit elsewhere to pick up some versatility in the meantime, which would make sense.
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 7, 2017 16:19:26 GMT -5
Re: Swihart. What a shame. I really thought he would be our catcher of the future. Our FO mishandled him big time, but it's not like 2016 wasn't a lost season for him anyway.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 7, 2017 17:04:05 GMT -5
And that's why I always cringed when people were talking about which of Vazquez or Swihart should be moved. When you have two commodities like they appeared to be at such a premium and injury-prone position, you keep them both and let things sort themselves out. You do NOT make a premature decision on which one to keep. The pertinent good thing that can happen is that they both pan out and you eventually move one for premium value after their career paths are more clearly defined. The bad thing that can happen is that one falls by the wayside and you get nothing for him, or less than you would have gotten by selling high.
If you have 2 great-looking 1B prospects I can see making an earlier determination and getting value for one while you can while throwing your lot in with the other. But not catchers. At that position, you want to make sure, above all, that you give yourself the absolute best chance of having one pan out and give you real strength at a difficult-to-fill position.
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 7, 2017 17:39:03 GMT -5
Jagger is back!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 7, 2017 17:46:57 GMT -5
Re: Swihart. What a shame. I really thought he would be our catcher of the future. Our FO mishandled him big time, but it's not like 2016 wasn't a lost season for him anyway. Swihart hasn't been a durable player since 2014. The guy is just one of those players that seems to be made out of glass. I don't think the front office should get the bulk of the blame here. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 7, 2017 18:02:29 GMT -5
Greenville DriveVerified account @greenvilledrive 2h2 hours ago #Drive left-hander @jaygroome55 has been named the South Atlantic League Pitcher of the Week for July 31-August 6! buff.ly/2uipVqI |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 7, 2017 20:02:29 GMT -5
Groome: 5IP 3H 0ER 2BB 6K against a solid lineup (Rutherford, Burger, Adolfo)
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 7, 2017 20:19:25 GMT -5
Groome now with 11 straight scoreless innings. 14 Ks to 3 BBs. ERA from 10.13 down to 6.68.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 7, 2017 20:54:34 GMT -5
That's now two different stretches this season where groome has flashed ace potential. I love seeing that. Consistency is the key for groome going forward. Groome has definitely pitched some gems.
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 7, 2017 20:58:27 GMT -5
Roldani Baldwin 1 for 3, 2 BBs, and his 31st double of the year. The two walks are really nice to see. 3.8 BB% this year.
Edit: Also a stolen base. Showing the wheels.
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Post by ejenson on Aug 7, 2017 21:49:17 GMT -5
Groome another solid outing
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Post by gerry on Aug 8, 2017 1:28:38 GMT -5
Re: Swihart. What a shame. I really thought he would be our catcher of the future. Our FO mishandled him big time, but it's not like 2016 wasn't a lost season for him anyway. Swihart hasn't been a durable player since 2014. The guy is just one of those players that seems to be made out of glass. I don't think the front office should get the bulk of the blame here. Harsh |
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Post by gerry on Aug 8, 2017 1:34:01 GMT -5
The Velasquez/Brentz/Castillo/Lin/Marrero/Travis game is on NESN at 7pm ET. Did I miss anyone? Yes. Velasquez a K- machine. Brentz with his 25th HR. Lin and Marrero still hitting and fielding. Castillo HBP on his hand and scratched. Hope it isn't serious. The announcers felt he was carrying the Pawsox. Travis hitting and showing athletic defense. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 8, 2017 6:09:06 GMT -5
Re: Swihart. What a shame. I really thought he would be our catcher of the future. Our FO mishandled him big time, but it's not like 2016 wasn't a lost season for him anyway. Swihart hasn't been a durable player since 2014. The guy is just one of those players that seems to be made out of glass. I don't think the front office should get the bulk of the blame here. I get the ankle injury last year and the hand thing and recurrence of the ankle injury this year, but don't get why you say injuries have been an issue with him since 2014. He had one DL stint in 2015 that really only cost him 6 days, as he then went out on a 10-day rehab assignment that looks to have been designed to get him more AAA at-bats without optioning him more than anything. He did go on the DL during Pawtucket's playoff run in 2014 in mid-september, but I can't find anything on that on my phone. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 8, 2017 12:49:40 GMT -5
Swihart hasn't been a durable player since 2014. The guy is just one of those players that seems to be made out of glass. I don't think the front office should get the bulk of the blame here. I get the ankle injury last year and the hand thing and recurrence of the ankle injury this year, but don't get why you say injuries have been an issue with him since 2014. He had one DL stint in 2015 that really only cost him 6 days, as he then went out on a 10-day rehab assignment that looks to have been designed to get him more AAA at-bats without optioning him more than anything. He did go on the DL during Pawtucket's playoff run in 2014 in mid-september, but I can't find anything on that on my phone. Just seems that he has spent half his time on the DL rather than developing the past 3 years. It's probably going to cost him a spot on the roster. That's frustrating as a fan. A first round pick that was highly touted and highly ranked on prospect lists for over 3-4 years just to get nothing in the end from him production or trade wise. I don't remember Swihart being here for much of the July month in 2015 but maybe it was rehab or a option like you mentioned. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 8, 2017 13:09:31 GMT -5
I get the ankle injury last year and the hand thing and recurrence of the ankle injury this year, but don't get why you say injuries have been an issue with him since 2014. He had one DL stint in 2015 that really only cost him 6 days, as he then went out on a 10-day rehab assignment that looks to have been designed to get him more AAA at-bats without optioning him more than anything. He did go on the DL during Pawtucket's playoff run in 2014 in mid-september, but I can't find anything on that on my phone. Just seems that he has spent half his time on the DL rather than developing the past 3 years. It's probably going to cost him a spot on the roster. That's frustrating as a fan. A first round pick that was highly touted and highly ranked on prospect lists for over 3-4 years just to get nothing in the end from him production or trade wise. I don't remember Swihart being here for much of the July month in 2015 but maybe it was rehab or a option like you mentioned. It's pretty easy to check that sort of thing on our transactions page: www.soxprospects.com/transactions.htm2014 - went on the DL on 9/13 (I want to say that was a finger issue too, now that I think of it? Anyone recall?) I think he got hit in the hand or something. He probably only went on the DL because the season was basically over and they wanted to get a second catcher on the roster for the game or two remaining - the PawSox won that day to win the IL championship, then played the AAA Championship game on the 16th. If it's June, he probably just sits a few days. Otherwise he was healthy that season. 2015 - Went on the DL on 7/3 with a sprained foot. Hadn't played since 6/30. Began a rehab assignment on 7/10 and was activated on 7/20. So he missed 10 days then rehabbed for 10, which seems kind of unnecessary and led to my guess that they extended the rehab a bit to get him at-bats. I note that they DFA'ed Leon on the day the recalled him. 2016 - Injured his ankle on 6/4, ending his season. 2017 - Dealt with hand issues early in the year in which multiple foul tips caused swelling in the hand, going on the DL from May 2 to May 26. May have stayed on the DL for longer than needed in order to work on changing how he received in order to minimize the chances for such injuries, (that work was something reported, the extending of the DL stint is my speculation). He's now dealing with what's essentially a recurrence of the ankle injury, for which he went on the DL on 7/5. Also missed a handful of games early in the year after a head-to-head collision with Travis that didn't require a DL stint. So I don't see "made of glass." I see one particularly bad ankle injury that cost him most of last season and now a month of this one. Other than that, he missed a month or so with the hand issue and 10 days with the foot issue last year. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 8, 2017 15:07:44 GMT -5
Just seems that he has spent half his time on the DL rather than developing the past 3 years. It's probably going to cost him a spot on the roster. That's frustrating as a fan. A first round pick that was highly touted and highly ranked on prospect lists for over 3-4 years just to get nothing in the end from him production or trade wise. I don't remember Swihart being here for much of the July month in 2015 but maybe it was rehab or a option like you mentioned. It's pretty easy to check that sort of thing on our transactions page: www.soxprospects.com/transactions.htm2014 - went on the DL on 9/13 (I want to say that was a finger issue too, now that I think of it? Anyone recall?) I think he got hit in the hand or something. He probably only went on the DL because the season was basically over and they wanted to get a second catcher on the roster for the game or two remaining - the PawSox won that day to win the IL championship, then played the AAA Championship game on the 16th. If it's June, he probably just sits a few days. Otherwise he was healthy that season. 2015 - Went on the DL on 7/3 with a sprained foot. Hadn't played since 6/30. Began a rehab assignment on 7/10 and was activated on 7/20. So he missed 10 days then rehabbed for 10, which seems kind of unnecessary and led to my guess that they extended the rehab a bit to get him at-bats. I note that they DFA'ed Leon on the day the recalled him. 2016 - Injured his ankle on 6/4, ending his season. 2017 - Dealt with hand issues early in the year in which multiple foul tips caused swelling in the hand, going on the DL from May 2 to May 26. May have stayed on the DL for longer than needed in order to work on changing how he received in order to minimize the chances for such injuries, (that work was something reported, the extending of the DL stint is my speculation). He's now dealing with what's essentially a recurrence of the ankle injury, for which he went on the DL on 7/5. Also missed a handful of games early in the year after a head-to-head collision with Travis that didn't require a DL stint. So I don't see "made of glass." I see one particularly bad ankle injury that cost him most of last season and now a month of this one. Other than that, he missed a month or so with the hand issue and 10 days with the foot issue last year. I forget who was pitching (there was a joke about it in the development program video) but he got crossed up on a pitch and got hit in the throwing hand. If I recall, it was his first PB all season and happened either just before or at the start of the playoffs. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 8, 2017 16:04:26 GMT -5
Good memory. It was during the playoffs. I remember that in the video now.
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