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9/28-10/1 Red Sox vs. Astros Series Thread
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 28, 2017 21:25:45 GMT -5
Why is Mookie still playing? Rhythm.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 28, 2017 21:29:26 GMT -5
Honestly, what word would you use to honestly describe the Red Sox starting pitching in totality? Effective? Honestly, the rotation has been pretty lousy beyond the #2 spot in the rotation. Houston's 3, 4 & 5 starters McCullers, Peacock, and Morton have pitched better this season than any of Porcello, Fister, and E-Rod. David Price, if he was healthy, would make things closer to even, but he's not - or at least not enough to start. It would be crazy I think not to be extremely concerned about the rotation beyond Sale and Pomeranz, and even those two look aren't consistently pitching as well as they have been, to put it mildly. Red Sox starting pitchers rank fifth in the league in adjusted ERA (Astros rank tenth). So yeah, I'd describe it as pretty effective. Stop confusing the issue with facts.
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Post by Coreno on Sept 28, 2017 21:30:54 GMT -5
Maddox still impresses me, except the unsightly ERA of course. "Unsightly" as in, you can't see it?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 28, 2017 21:31:38 GMT -5
Why is Mookie still playing? Rhythm. That's the method. 3 more outs for Tampa. I honestly don't care if we win tomorrow or Tampa wins tomorrow but hope one of those happen.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 28, 2017 21:33:35 GMT -5
Maddox still impresses me, except the unsightly ERA of course. "Unsightly" as in, you can't see it? It is now visible...but microscopic!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2017 21:39:10 GMT -5
Honestly, what word would you use to honestly describe the Red Sox starting pitching in totality? Effective? Honestly, the rotation has been pretty lousy beyond the #2 spot in the rotation. Houston's 3, 4 & 5 starters McCullers, Peacock, and Morton have pitched better this season than any of Porcello, Fister, and E-Rod. David Price, if he was healthy, would make things closer to even, but he's not - or at least not enough to start. It would be crazy I think not to be extremely concerned about the rotation beyond Sale and Pomeranz, and even those two look aren't consistently pitching as well as they have been, to put it mildly. Red Sox starting pitchers rank fifth in the league in adjusted ERA (Astros rank tenth). So yeah, I'd describe it as pretty effective. Alright jmei, let's try this from a different angle. Sale and Pomeranz have been excellent this year. No arguing there. The point that a lot of people are trying to make is that the #3, #4, and #5 spots have been not so good. Can we agree there or is that in dispute and you feel very comfortable trotting out two of E-Rod, Porcello, and Fister. I worded things poorly, but I think the overarching point is still a valid one.
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Post by pbsabredsox on Sept 28, 2017 21:40:06 GMT -5
YANKS LOSE!!!!!!!!
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Post by Coreno on Sept 28, 2017 21:40:38 GMT -5
Yankees can no longer win the division outright.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 28, 2017 21:41:05 GMT -5
Alright jmei, let's try this from a different angle. Sale and Pomeranz have been excellent this year. No arguing there. The point that a lot of people are trying to make is that the #3, #4, and #5 spots have been not so good. Can we agree there or is that in dispute and you feel very comfortable trotting out two of E-Rod, Porcello, and Fister. I worded things poorly, but I think the overarching point is still a valid one. Especially considering how much Chris Sale being so amazing skews that stat.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2017 21:41:33 GMT -5
Stop confusing the issue with facts. The issue is that I described poorly is the dropoff beyond the top 2 in the rotation which is an issue in the post-season unless you don't think it is because you've very satisfied with the fine work that they've gotten from Porcello and Fister and E-Rod this season, although to be fair to E-Rod, he had a number of starts where his knee wasn't right that messed up what looked like at the beginning to be a breakout season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2017 21:43:22 GMT -5
This might actually work out better for me. Friday night, my little guy can stay up late and watch the game with me, and the Sox control their own destiny. I'd prefer both the Yankees and Sox to win tomorrow. Don't want to see the Sox back in. I want to see some partying that feels a lot better than the one they had last year.
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Post by Coreno on Sept 28, 2017 21:44:37 GMT -5
As a "player's manager," this is a game Farrell needs to make sure they remember, so they can flip the script next week.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 28, 2017 21:44:38 GMT -5
Yankees play at 1 PM tomorrow. Technically we could clinch before we play.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 28, 2017 21:45:56 GMT -5
Stop confusing the issue with facts. The issue is that I described poorly is the dropoff beyond the top 2 in the rotation which is an issue in the post-season unless you don't think it is because you've very satisfied with the fine work that they've gotten from Porcello and Fister and E-Rod this season, although to be fair to E-Rod, he had a number of starts where his knee wasn't right that messed up what looked like at the beginning to be a breakout season. Every team will have a dropoff from their 1-2 to their 3-4-5. It's not a major concern to me because they aren't as horrible as you are trying paint. Also not a concern because we have the best bullpen in baseball and it was already looking like a bullpen dominant post season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2017 21:46:52 GMT -5
Yankees play at 1 PM tomorrow. Technically we could clinch before we play. In that case I'm actually going to root for the Yankees to win, which means they'll lose. I want the Sox to win it the fun way.
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Post by Coreno on Sept 28, 2017 21:48:08 GMT -5
Weird situation. TOR@NYY tomorrow is at 1. Sox could clinch the division before first pitch.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 28, 2017 21:48:27 GMT -5
This might actually work out better for me. Friday night, my little guy can stay up late and watch the game with me, and the Sox control their own destiny. I'd prefer both the Yankees and Sox to win tomorrow. Don't want to see the Sox back in. I want to see some partying that feels a lot better than the one they had last year. Beep ... Beep ... Beep ... Beep ... Beep ... Beep ........
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Post by pbsabredsox on Sept 28, 2017 21:48:59 GMT -5
If Yankees lose day game tomorrow and Sox win the division in unceremonious fashion, It will be interesting to see if Sox go max rest mode like last year against Yankees in that second to last series.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2017 21:50:13 GMT -5
The issue is that I described poorly is the dropoff beyond the top 2 in the rotation which is an issue in the post-season unless you don't think it is because you've very satisfied with the fine work that they've gotten from Porcello and Fister and E-Rod this season, although to be fair to E-Rod, he had a number of starts where his knee wasn't right that messed up what looked like at the beginning to be a breakout season. Every team will have a dropoff from their 1-2 to their 3-4-5. It's not a major concern to me because they aren't as horrible as you are trying paint. Also not a concern because we have the best bullpen in baseball and it was already looking like a bullpen dominant post season. Of course every team has a dropoff from 2 to 3-4-5. It's the level of the dropoff. Seriously, the team the Sox will play in the playoffs - Houston, has McCullers, Peacock, and Morton 3-4-5. They're a dropoff from Verlander and Keuschel, but please don't tell me they're a much bigger dropoff than the drop to the Sox bottom 3. They're having much better seasons. The Indians, strangely enough, do have about the same dropoff as the Sox do, so that's why I'd want to play the Indians in a 7 game series where Kluber goes 2 times rather than a 5 game series where he goes twice.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2017 21:50:58 GMT -5
This might actually work out better for me. Friday night, my little guy can stay up late and watch the game with me, and the Sox control their own destiny. I'd prefer both the Yankees and Sox to win tomorrow. Don't want to see the Sox back in. I want to see some partying that feels a lot better than the one they had last year. Beep ... Beep ... Beep ... Beep ... Beep ... Beep ........ Huh??
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 28, 2017 21:55:18 GMT -5
I'd also take the Sox rotation, 1,2,3,4 all the way down the line over the Astros rotation. 5 isn't a factor.
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2017 22:00:20 GMT -5
Stop confusing the issue with facts. The issue is that I described poorly is the dropoff beyond the top 2 in the rotation which is an issue in the post-season unless you don't think it is because you've very satisfied with the fine work that they've gotten from Porcello and Fister and E-Rod this season, although to be fair to E-Rod, he had a number of starts where his knee wasn't right that messed up what looked like at the beginning to be a breakout season. I guess it's a good thing that, in the playoffs, your #1 and #2 pitchers can pitch almost twice as much of a team's innings as they would in the regular season. Back end of the bullpen also pitches disproportionately more innings.
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Post by cutz on Sept 28, 2017 22:07:22 GMT -5
This might actually work out better for me. Friday night, my little guy can stay up late and watch the game with me, and the Sox control their own destiny. I'd prefer both the Yankees and Sox to win tomorrow. Don't want to see the Sox back in. I want to see some partying that feels a lot better than the one they had last year. Beep ... Beep ... Beep ... Beep ... Beep ... Beep ........ HAHAHA>Good one. I don't consider it backing in not when the season is 162 games. Sox just went 8-1 on the road, before this.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 28, 2017 22:18:06 GMT -5
Worth looking at the last spin through our starters
Fister 5.1 IP 9 H 3 ER 9K Pomeranz 2 IP 7 H 5 ER 1K Sale 5 IP 8 H 5 ER 8K Porcello 5.2 IP 7 H 5 ER 8K ERod 1.2 IP 6 H 5 ER 2K
Best of the bunch - Fister!
This is pretty mystifying, and really concerning.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2017 22:38:37 GMT -5
The issue is that I described poorly is the dropoff beyond the top 2 in the rotation which is an issue in the post-season unless you don't think it is because you've very satisfied with the fine work that they've gotten from Porcello and Fister and E-Rod this season, although to be fair to E-Rod, he had a number of starts where his knee wasn't right that messed up what looked like at the beginning to be a breakout season. I guess it's a good thing that, in the playoffs, your #1 and #2 pitchers can pitch almost twice as much of a team's innings as they would in the regular season. Back end of the bullpen also pitches disproportionately more innings. It is, but you're still getting 2 starts from questionable starters, and at least 3 in a 7 game series. It still has some impact. Especially if you don't win all the games your 1 and 2 starters start, and when it's the post-season they're usually matched up against starters that are almost as good if not better. Having a more effective #3/#4 help in case you do lose your ace's or 2nd starter's start. Can you win with just anybody beyond 1/2? Sure, I remember the 1987 Twins who won behind Viola and Blyleven and a home field advantage with Les Straker (who?) as their #3 starter, but it's not easy to do.
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