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2017-18 Celtics Season Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 10, 2018 13:24:13 GMT -5
I love the idea of all teams having a G league team and turning the G league into a real developmental league. The two way contracts were basically the start of just that.
I just don't think you'll ever see the contracts like that. Your basically hurting the players that are ready because a bunch of guys declare too early to make money. Plenty of high school players became stars within 4 years and telling them they can't get paid for another 2 years will not fly with the union. You'd actually be creating a system that adds value to high school players over other prospects. You'd be creating a system in which players that might stay in school would leave or not go. That's not what the NBA wants or needs. Just a system that has a good G league to help develop the guys that can't or don't want to go to College. Frankly we kinda already have that, players can by pass College for the G league now. I just want to see the G league improve overall and two way contracts are a great start. Next up is every team owning a G league team. Kinda hard to develop a player in G league if another teams coach is controlling his development and minutes. Get the quality of the league to the point, no team would just keep a good young player on the bench over being in the G league. While it's getting better we aren't there yet.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 10, 2018 13:41:50 GMT -5
I love the idea of all teams having a G league team and turning the G league into a real developmental league. The two way contracts were basically the start of just that. I just don't think you'll ever see the contracts like that. Your basically hurting the players that are ready because a bunch of guys declare too early to make money. Plenty of high school players became stars within 4 years and telling them they can't get paid for another 2 years will not fly with the union. You'd actually be creating a system that adds value to high school players over other prospects. You'd be creating a system in which players that might stay in school would leave or not go. That's not what the NBA wants or needs. Just a system that has a good G league to help develop the guys that can't or don't want to go to College. Frankly we kinda already have that, players can by pass College for the G league now. I just want to see the G league improve overall and two way contracts are a great start. Next up is every team owning a G league team. Kinda hard to develop a player in G league if another teams coach is controlling his development and minutes. Get the quality of the league to the point, no team would just keep a good young player on the bench over being in the G league. While it's getting better we aren't there yet. Valid points but the format has them all becoming free agents after the same amount of time so I don’t see it as a problem. Maybe the 6 year is a year too long, but if you shorten that to 5 years and the rest at 4 what’s the issue? Compared to how it is now that high school player gets paid an extra year because instead of being in college he’s making money in the pros. That’s a player win. I added the extra years because they need players longer for proper development and i think by adding more players to the player pool and paying them real money to be in the G league that’s actually a union win even if getting to free agency a year later for some. For many it’s sooner. Also, it doesn’t affect veterans who the unions really care about. Anyways, it’s not going to happen but I feel it’s a fair trade off. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 10, 2018 15:34:00 GMT -5
I love the idea of all teams having a G league team and turning the G league into a real developmental league. The two way contracts were basically the start of just that. I just don't think you'll ever see the contracts like that. Your basically hurting the players that are ready because a bunch of guys declare too early to make money. Plenty of high school players became stars within 4 years and telling them they can't get paid for another 2 years will not fly with the union. You'd actually be creating a system that adds value to high school players over other prospects. You'd be creating a system in which players that might stay in school would leave or not go. That's not what the NBA wants or needs. Just a system that has a good G league to help develop the guys that can't or don't want to go to College. Frankly we kinda already have that, players can by pass College for the G league now. I just want to see the G league improve overall and two way contracts are a great start. Next up is every team owning a G league team. Kinda hard to develop a player in G league if another teams coach is controlling his development and minutes. Get the quality of the league to the point, no team would just keep a good young player on the bench over being in the G league. While it's getting better we aren't there yet. Valid points but the format has them all becoming free agents after the same amount of time so I don’t see it as a problem. Maybe the 6 year is a year too long, but if you shorten that to 5 years and the rest at 4 what’s the issue? Compared to how it is now that high school player gets paid an extra year because instead of being in college he’s making money in the pros. That’s a player win. I added the extra years because they need players longer for proper development and i think by adding more players to the player pool and paying them real money to be in the G league that’s actually a union win even if getting to free agency a year later for some. For many it’s sooner. Also, it doesn’t affect veterans who the unions really care about. Anyways, it’s not going to happen but I feel it’s a fair trade off. Yea under the current rules that don't allow high school players in the draft. That rule would need to change. When it does all draft eligible players wouldn't be getting equal deals. Union won't allow that. No draft treats certain aged players differently. This is just like 16 year old international free agents in baseball having the same time table as older College players. It seems unfair, but the rules need to be equal. It's much more of a problem in Baseball because some players are so young. In Basketball all the good player mainly come out after one year in College. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 10, 2018 15:57:18 GMT -5
It kind of stinks that at the end of this thread is a G league discussion, no offense to all.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 10, 2018 16:59:31 GMT -5
It isn't really a G league discussion, it is about how to fix and improve the current system of when players can enter the NBA. Truly a topic that will and should be evolving into something different than what is currently in place.
IMO the current system isn't very good for anyone with a stake in the debate.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 10, 2018 17:36:00 GMT -5
Why is this the end of the thread? There are playoffs.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 10, 2018 17:37:59 GMT -5
Valid points but the format has them all becoming free agents after the same amount of time so I don’t see it as a problem. Maybe the 6 year is a year too long, but if you shorten that to 5 years and the rest at 4 what’s the issue? Compared to how it is now that high school player gets paid an extra year because instead of being in college he’s making money in the pros. That’s a player win. I added the extra years because they need players longer for proper development and i think by adding more players to the player pool and paying them real money to be in the G league that’s actually a union win even if getting to free agency a year later for some. For many it’s sooner. Also, it doesn’t affect veterans who the unions really care about. Anyways, it’s not going to happen but I feel it’s a fair trade off. Yea under the current rules that don't allow high school players in the draft. That rule would need to change. When it does all draft eligible players wouldn't be getting equal deals. Union won't allow that. No draft treats certain aged players differently. This is just like 16 year old international free agents in baseball having the same time table as older College players. It seems unfair, but the rules need to be equal. It's much more of a problem in Baseball because some players are so young. In Basketball all the good player mainly come out after one year in College. They already have age restrictions they could do a rolling age service time. Just because it doesn’t exist now doesn’t mean it can’t. No other league makes you go to college for a year either. Again i don’t expect any of this to happen for a lot of reasons. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 11, 2018 13:08:44 GMT -5
Lets hope the Raptors rest their starters and the Heat win or that the Wiz lose tonight. No Wizards in the first round. Good news is that the Cavs have dropped to 4th in the East, meaning you might not have to face them in the second round.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 11, 2018 13:14:38 GMT -5
Yea under the current rules that don't allow high school players in the draft. That rule would need to change. When it does all draft eligible players wouldn't be getting equal deals. Union won't allow that. No draft treats certain aged players differently. This is just like 16 year old international free agents in baseball having the same time table as older College players. It seems unfair, but the rules need to be equal. It's much more of a problem in Baseball because some players are so young. In Basketball all the good player mainly come out after one year in College. They already have age restrictions they could do a rolling age service time. Just because it doesn’t exist now doesn’t mean it can’t. No other league makes you go to college for a year either. Again i don’t expect any of this to happen for a lot of reasons. Football makes you go for 3 years, same type of thing. It can't because the Unions won't allow you to treat certain draft eligible players differently. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 11, 2018 21:43:53 GMT -5
Unrelated to the Celtics, but this is some mighty terrible refereeing in the Nuggets/Wolves game.
Related to the Celtics, the Bucks it is! Let's face it, that was easily the best scenario.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 12, 2018 8:45:29 GMT -5
They already have age restrictions they could do a rolling age service time. Just because it doesn’t exist now doesn’t mean it can’t. No other league makes you go to college for a year either. Again i don’t expect any of this to happen for a lot of reasons. Football makes you go for 3 years, same type of thing. It can't because the Unions won't allow you to treat certain draft eligible players differently. While you’re likely right and that’s the norm thus far there’s nothing that says it can’t change. May be highly unlikely, but negotiations are negotiations. Would you rather be able to turn pro out of high school and have to sign a 5 year contract or go to collect a year so you only have to sign a 4 year deal? But if you’re right and they hold tight or some court rules it can’t be done that way then I’d say, let them come out of high school and make all deals 5 years. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 12, 2018 8:52:07 GMT -5
I went to the Celtics last night.... funny seeing no one in the top 6 except maybe Barnes play.
Gibson plays with a lot of confidence and swagger and the guy can score. He should be in the league.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 12, 2018 10:52:22 GMT -5
Fultz had a triple double last night. Checking out his stats, he has only attempted one three pointer in 14 games and is shooting below 50% at the line. Very surprising given his scouting report.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 12, 2018 11:22:56 GMT -5
Football makes you go for 3 years, same type of thing. It can't because the Unions won't allow you to treat certain draft eligible players differently. While you’re likely right and that’s the norm thus far there’s nothing that says it can’t change. May be highly unlikely, but negotiations are negotiations. Would you rather be able to turn pro out of high school and have to sign a 5 year contract or go to collect a year so you only have to sign a 4 year deal? But if you’re right and they hold tight or some court rules it can’t be done that way then I’d say, let them come out of high school and make all deals 5 years. Would a high school player except that? Most likely, but he won't be given that choice. The Union won't allow it and I really don't see why the NBA would even try and fight for it. If were talking about certain players needing more time to develop, first round picks already have 5 year deals. Look at Smart, the chances he gets an offer sheet are very low. If you want you most likely get a 5th year on a very cheap deal. I still think they changed the rule to help teams mainly. Thinking an extra year of game tape would help teams pick the best players, with less flops. While at the same time helping players. Get certain player that aren't NBA ready to stay in College and develop . That just hasn't happended . Most top players ready or not, just go to the NBA and get nothing from College. I think both the NBA and College Basketball thought it would be a win win situation and now they might not. If you want to change a rule, allow players that don't get drafted to return or go to College. Heck I might even be down with allowing all second rounders the option of College while the teams retain the players rights like in the NHL. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 12, 2018 13:09:02 GMT -5
While you’re likely right and that’s the norm thus far there’s nothing that says it can’t change. May be highly unlikely, but negotiations are negotiations. Would you rather be able to turn pro out of high school and have to sign a 5 year contract or go to collect a year so you only have to sign a 4 year deal? But if you’re right and they hold tight or some court rules it can’t be done that way then I’d say, let them come out of high school and make all deals 5 years. Would a high school player except that? Most likely, but he won't be given that choice. The Union won't allow it and I really don't see why the NBA would even try and fight for it. If were talking about certain players needing more time to develop, first round picks already have 5 year deals. Look at Smart, the chances he gets an offer sheet are very low. If you want you most likely get a 5th year on a very cheap deal. I still think they changed the rule to help teams mainly. Thinking an extra year of game tape would help teams pick the best players, with less flops. While at the same time helping players. Get certain player that aren't NBA ready to stay in College and develop . That just hasn't happended . Most top players ready or not, just go to the NBA and get nothing from College. I think both the NBA and College Basketball thought it would be a win win situation and now they might not. If you want to change a rule, allow players that don't get drafted to return or go to College. Heck I might even be down with allowing all second rounders the option of College while the teams retain the players rights like in the NHL. I’ve been a fan of an NHL system for the NBA for a long time but I’ve given up on that. That would kill the chances of the G league being a true minor league system. But agree it’d be great |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 12, 2018 14:33:46 GMT -5
Unrelated to the Celtics, but this is some mighty terrible refereeing in the Nuggets/Wolves game. Related to the Celtics, the Bucks it is! Let's face it, that was easily the best scenario. You think the Bucks are a better match-up over the Heat ? I didn't want to see the Wizards, not with Wall just now getting up to speed. I think we can beat the Bucks, just they have the best player. The Heat are dinged up, could be down 2 starters in game one. I think I would have preferred the Heat, but yea overall it's great we don't have to face the Wiz. Also the Cavs being 4th because the Sixers won 16 straight games, means we might not have to face them till confrence finals. I can't wait, I have a good feeling about this team. I think we are going to surprise people. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 12, 2018 15:30:04 GMT -5
I'm happy to see the C's take on the Bucks. I'm interested in watching the Greek freak and seeing how they try to handle him. I am also looking forward to seeing who will step up in the playoffs, will anybody,Brown has been lately and it would be great to see him continue to be that guy.
IMO Brown has had a surprisingly good 2nd season and when I think about him and Tatum and how good they could end up being I get visions of a dynasty. Tatum with an extra 20/25 pounds on him will be a beast, right now he looks like a gangly teenager, which I guess he is.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 12, 2018 15:37:48 GMT -5
You think the Bucks are a better match-up over the Heat ? I didn't want to see the Wizards, not with Wall just now getting up to speed. I think we can beat the Bucks, just they have the best player. The Heat are dinged up, could be down 2 starters in game one. I think I would have preferred the Heat, but yea overall it's great we don't have to face the Wiz. Also the Cavs being 4th because the Sixers won 16 straight games, means we might not have to face them till confrence finals. I can't wait, I have a good feeling about this team. I think we are going to surprise people. Yeah I think the Bucks are a much better matchup. I know that they will have the best player by far in the series, but as a team they're very vanilla and even if Giannis goes off like a mad man in every game, I still think the Celtics can beat them. The Heat are kind of our mirror, they might not have top talent available but they do have a tremendous coach and a hard to defend system. Teams like the Heat have given us more issues than street balling anything goes squads like the Bucks. And also agreed about the Cavs, facing the Sixers is much more doable than playoffs Lebron. But this Cavs team sucks, I know Lebron is the best player in the league but wow I don't see them making the Finals this year and if they do the East is officially broken beyond repair. The Celtics could make a run, it will obviously be tough but it's doable. |
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 15, 2018 12:56:17 GMT -5
Stevens with some horrid lineups this quarter.
It’s the playoffs - shorten your bench already.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 15, 2018 12:59:06 GMT -5
You know what would be fun? If we could rely on Horford to take over in terrible quarters like this.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 15, 2018 13:09:17 GMT -5
That’s about as bad as they can play, and they’re only down 3.
This Bucks team stinks. Cut out the lazy turnovers, and the Celts should be ok.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 15, 2018 13:15:11 GMT -5
That’s about as bad as they can play, and they’re only down 3. This Bucks team stinks. Cut out the lazy turnovers, and the Celts should be ok. Agreed, the Bucks are absolutely unimpressive and this is a very winnable game. Horford needs to nut up and go for it, Hayward and Kyrie are down man, stop relying on the f*cking kids to win you the game while you do the "small things". |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 15, 2018 13:24:30 GMT -5
Semi playing more minutes than Monroe is crazy. Play Monroe you can use his offense.
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Post by jmei on Apr 15, 2018 13:36:32 GMT -5
Monroe can’t guard any of the bigs that the Bucks play.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 15, 2018 13:49:25 GMT -5
Monroe can’t guard any of the bigs that the Bucks play. He can guard Henson all day, because he's basically a non-scorer. |
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