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2017-18 Celtics Season Thread
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 29, 2018 15:27:51 GMT -5
After his work on The Greek Freak, I think Semi earned some playing time against Simmons.
Should be a good series. Hotly contested, like old time, I hope.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 29, 2018 18:37:57 GMT -5
After his work on The Greek Freak, I think Semi earned some playing time against Simmons. Should be a good series. Hotly contested, like old time, I hope. I agree completely!! Semi could end up being a big defensive key and the C's are going to need one. Ben Simmons has just averaged a triple double for the past 20 some odd games as a rookie. He will probably average a triple double next year and for quite a while after. That is saying a lot but look at his numbers this year and tell me it isn't likely. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 30, 2018 2:12:58 GMT -5
Semi can play great D, but he does nothing else. For a guy you makes his living on D he had no steals or blocks in the whole Bucks series. He can't score or shoot, or even pass that well. He doesn't he rebound that well. Watching him it's hard to see the player that was a go to scorer at SMU. Against the Bucks they basically replaced Baynes with Semi. Playing the Sixers you'll need a ton of Baynes against Embiid and you can't play both for major minutes together. You just won't be able to score. Given Browns health you might get your wish, but it won't be good for us overall. I wanted to watch Brown cover him, that would have been fun.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 30, 2018 5:33:50 GMT -5
Being an optimist I will give Semi a little more time before declaring him a D only option. He won't become that player right away obviously but I can't believe the player who scored 19/game in college can't be more effective offensively in the NBA. Who knows why, maybe it is the speed of the NBA but he doesn't lack athleticism. He was one of the best athletes in his class. If you look at his college career he hasn't played a lot of basketball over the past 3 years. His one year at SMU was impressive when you look at offensive efficiency. Hopefully next year he develops on that end and the C's have a player that resembles Draymond Green a little.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 30, 2018 6:17:32 GMT -5
Semi is a rookie who was a second round pick for a reason. His rookie year is a smashing success and he has the potential to develop further into a legitimate bench “weapon”. Offensively, he has no confidence and is hesitant and that’s all it takes to not be effective. Early in game 7 he had a nice pump fake at the 3 point line that he turned into a driving lay-in at the end of the clock. I hoped that would spark him to play without hesitation.
We will see, he needs an off-season working on his 3 point shot. The team is fortunate to have a cheap guy like him for the next 3 years. Great pick by Danny.
Also, defense isn’t about steals and blocks. Steals really isn’t a great way to measure defense as there are a lot of poor defenders who get a bunch of steals. In this series, Ojeleye was glued to Gianis. You aren’t going to block that guys shot and trying to is a mistake. Also, you’re unlikely to steal it directly from him and again trying would just get you out of position. He did exactly what he was supposed to do which was body him up and force him into more difficult shots but that doesn’t have a spot on the stat sheet. However, just analyze Gianis’s numbers vs Semi and compare them to vs anyone else. You’ll find a job well done.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 30, 2018 6:23:41 GMT -5
Also a Parade player of the yr coming out of high school. I think he has a higher ceiling than most 2nd rounders.
But I was going to say the same about his D, totally agree.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 30, 2018 6:52:45 GMT -5
Sucks both the Bruins and the Celtics play tonight. Good thing the Bruins start an hour earlier so assuming it’s a regulation game I can watch the second half of the Celtics. Playoff hockey is so exciting and there are barely any commercials that it’s hard to look away.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 30, 2018 7:00:55 GMT -5
I doubt Brown plays game 1, but we will see about that tonight.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 30, 2018 7:42:00 GMT -5
Sucks both the Bruins and the Celtics play tonight. Good thing the Bruins start an hour earlier so assuming it’s a regulation game I can watch the second half of the Celtics. Playoff hockey is so exciting and there are barely any commercials that it’s hard to look away. It is one thing when the Sox are playing at the same time as it is easier to flip back and forth but when it is the B's and C's it is tough. Hockey is the best to watch both live and on tv, nonstop action. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 30, 2018 11:54:33 GMT -5
Semi is a rookie who was a second round pick for a reason. His rookie year is a smashing success and he has the potential to develop further into a legitimate bench “weapon”. Offensively, he has no confidence and is hesitant and that’s all it takes to not be effective. Early in game 7 he had a nice pump fake at the 3 point line that he turned into a driving lay-in at the end of the clock. I hoped that would spark him to play without hesitation. We will see, he needs an off-season working on his 3 point shot. The team is fortunate to have a cheap guy like him for the next 3 years. Great pick by Danny. Also, defense isn’t about steals and blocks. Steals really isn’t a great way to measure defense as there are a lot of poor defenders who get a bunch of steals. In this series, Ojeleye was glued to Gianis. You aren’t going to block that guys shot and trying to is a mistake. Also, you’re unlikely to steal it directly from him and again trying would just get you out of position. He did exactly what he was supposed to do which was body him up and force him into more difficult shots but that doesn’t have a spot on the stat sheet. However, just analyze Gianis’s numbers vs Semi and compare them to vs anyone else. You’ll find a job well done. I agree with all of this. Also, I think part of his offensive "hesitation" is the realization that everyone else on the court is usually a better shooting option. On the plus side, he tends to quickly decide and either shoot or, more often, move the ball. The DVR will be working tonight, with the Red Sox on the radio in the background (Beware the score updates!) |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 30, 2018 13:00:24 GMT -5
Semi is a rookie who was a second round pick for a reason. His rookie year is a smashing success and he has the potential to develop further into a legitimate bench “weapon”. Offensively, he has no confidence and is hesitant and that’s all it takes to not be effective. Early in game 7 he had a nice pump fake at the 3 point line that he turned into a driving lay-in at the end of the clock. I hoped that would spark him to play without hesitation. We will see, he needs an off-season working on his 3 point shot. The team is fortunate to have a cheap guy like him for the next 3 years. Great pick by Danny. Also, defense isn’t about steals and blocks. Steals really isn’t a great way to measure defense as there are a lot of poor defenders who get a bunch of steals. In this series, Ojeleye was glued to Gianis. You aren’t going to block that guys shot and trying to is a mistake. Also, you’re unlikely to steal it directly from him and again trying would just get you out of position. He did exactly what he was supposed to do which was body him up and force him into more difficult shots but that doesn’t have a spot on the stat sheet. However, just analyze Gianis’s numbers vs Semi and compare them to vs anyone else. You’ll find a job well done. Blocks and steals isn't a great way overall, but almost every impactful defender will get them. Add in that rebounding is a big part of D and Semi is below average, waaay below average when he's playing PF. He also doesn't get any calls because he's a nobody right now. Which right now is probaly his best chance to make plays. He should have got a lot of charging calls last series. He didn't and that won't change against the Sixers. He just posted a 2.3 per over the last 7 games. Along with negative box score numbers on both offense and defense. I'm not slamming him either just pointing out facts. In time I think he'll improve, but based on stats he's most likely the worst player overall playing the type of minutes he's been playing in the whole playoffs, by a wide margin. |
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Post by telson13 on Apr 30, 2018 13:31:36 GMT -5
Almost gave the thread the subtitle "Rooting for Laundry," but decided to hold back on the snark. Anyway, let's do this. Strange how this all kinda came full circle and the playoffs started in much the same way. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 30, 2018 13:41:09 GMT -5
Semi is a rookie who was a second round pick for a reason. His rookie year is a smashing success and he has the potential to develop further into a legitimate bench “weapon”. Offensively, he has no confidence and is hesitant and that’s all it takes to not be effective. Early in game 7 he had a nice pump fake at the 3 point line that he turned into a driving lay-in at the end of the clock. I hoped that would spark him to play without hesitation. We will see, he needs an off-season working on his 3 point shot. The team is fortunate to have a cheap guy like him for the next 3 years. Great pick by Danny. Also, defense isn’t about steals and blocks. Steals really isn’t a great way to measure defense as there are a lot of poor defenders who get a bunch of steals. In this series, Ojeleye was glued to Gianis. You aren’t going to block that guys shot and trying to is a mistake. Also, you’re unlikely to steal it directly from him and again trying would just get you out of position. He did exactly what he was supposed to do which was body him up and force him into more difficult shots but that doesn’t have a spot on the stat sheet. However, just analyze Gianis’s numbers vs Semi and compare them to vs anyone else. You’ll find a job well done. Blocks and steals isn't a great way overall, but almost every impactful defender will get them. Add in that rebounding is a big part of D and Semi is below average, waaay below average when he's playing PF. He also doesn't get any calls because he's a nobody right now. Which right now is probaly his best chance to make plays. He should have got a lot of charging calls last series. He didn't and that won't change against the Sixers. He just posted a 2.3 per over the last 7 games. Along with negative box score numbers on both offense and defense. I'm not slamming him either just pointing out facts. In time I think he'll improve, but based on stats he's most likely the worst player overall playing the type of minutes he's been playing in the whole playoffs, by a wide margin. All you have to do is look at what the Greek Freaks numbers were with Semi on him and you realize he had a part in changing the direction of the series. Just like with Smart defense can't always be quantified by stats. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 30, 2018 13:45:06 GMT -5
Semi is a rookie who was a second round pick for a reason. His rookie year is a smashing success and he has the potential to develop further into a legitimate bench “weapon”. Offensively, he has no confidence and is hesitant and that’s all it takes to not be effective. Early in game 7 he had a nice pump fake at the 3 point line that he turned into a driving lay-in at the end of the clock. I hoped that would spark him to play without hesitation. We will see, he needs an off-season working on his 3 point shot. The team is fortunate to have a cheap guy like him for the next 3 years. Great pick by Danny. Also, defense isn’t about steals and blocks. Steals really isn’t a great way to measure defense as there are a lot of poor defenders who get a bunch of steals. In this series, Ojeleye was glued to Gianis. You aren’t going to block that guys shot and trying to is a mistake. Also, you’re unlikely to steal it directly from him and again trying would just get you out of position. He did exactly what he was supposed to do which was body him up and force him into more difficult shots but that doesn’t have a spot on the stat sheet. However, just analyze Gianis’s numbers vs Semi and compare them to vs anyone else. You’ll find a job well done. Blocks and steals isn't a great way overall, but almost every impactful defender will get them. Add in that rebounding is a big part of D and Semi is below average, waaay below average when he's playing PF. He also doesn't get any calls because he's a nobody right now. Which right now is probaly his best chance to make plays. He should have got a lot of charging calls last series. He didn't and that won't change against the Sixers. He just posted a 2.3 per over the last 7 games. Along with negative box score numbers on both offense and defense. I'm not slamming him either just pointing out facts. In time I think he'll improve, but based on stats he's most likely the worst player overall playing the type of minutes he's been playing in the whole playoffs, by a wide margin. Yea, he’s been the worse player but he also helped them win the series in my opinion. I was more trying to illustrate his long term potential and state I think he did a solid job on Gianis. If Brown is healthy, I expect a lot less of him this series because Embiid is too big and I don’t think Simmons is a good matchup for him either. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 30, 2018 14:32:52 GMT -5
Blocks and steals isn't a great way overall, but almost every impactful defender will get them. Add in that rebounding is a big part of D and Semi is below average, waaay below average when he's playing PF. He also doesn't get any calls because he's a nobody right now. Which right now is probaly his best chance to make plays. He should have got a lot of charging calls last series. He didn't and that won't change against the Sixers. He just posted a 2.3 per over the last 7 games. Along with negative box score numbers on both offense and defense. I'm not slamming him either just pointing out facts. In time I think he'll improve, but based on stats he's most likely the worst player overall playing the type of minutes he's been playing in the whole playoffs, by a wide margin. All you have to do is look at what the Greek Freaks numbers were with Semi on him and you realize he had a part in changing the direction of the series. Just like with Smart defense can't always be quantified by stats. What were they? He did a nice job, but so did Horford and Baynes. Smarts defense can easily be quantified by stats. He lead the team in defensive box score at plus 3.5 this series. Stats might not show you all of Smarts value, put they do show you he's very good defensively and they always have. That's really my point, while Semi did a good job, he was in no way an impactful defender. Without getting steals, blocks, not rebounding well, he needed to get those charging calls and he didn't. Not really his fault, just the way the NBA is, but those would have been impactful plays. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 30, 2018 15:04:47 GMT -5
Semi totally slowed down the Freak. And he got rookie screwed on a couple of those calls.
No way, that I know of, to measure the number of possessions where the Greek started to work, realized Semi wasn't buying, and then tossed the ball to someone else. And no other player had to help.
Plus as Al said post game, it was huge for Al's offense that he didn't have to expend so much energy on D guarding the Freak.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 30, 2018 16:37:46 GMT -5
Yeah, trying to say Semi didn’t do a good job defensively is arguing just for the sake of arguing.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 30, 2018 20:00:13 GMT -5
Horford is carrying the load tonight.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 30, 2018 20:08:54 GMT -5
Yeah, trying to say Semi didn’t do a good job defensively is arguing just for the sake of arguing.Who would do that? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 30, 2018 20:09:21 GMT -5
Anyone see that play where Horford fouled Simmons and Danny Ainge yelled at the refs and threw the basketball at them?
Lol that was awesome.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 30, 2018 20:21:22 GMT -5
Anyone see that play where Horford fouled Simmons and Danny Ainge yelled at the refs and threw the basketball at them? Lol that was awesome. They didn’t show that on the Bruins broadcast |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 30, 2018 20:23:01 GMT -5
Anyone see that play where Horford fouled Simmons and Danny Ainge yelled at the refs and threw the basketball at them? Lol that was awesome. It was a pure block 100% all ball. Danny was pissed. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 30, 2018 20:23:25 GMT -5
Anyone see that play where Horford fouled Simmons and Danny Ainge yelled at the refs and threw the basketball at them? Lol that was awesome. They didn’t show that on the Bruins broadcast Lol, you made me look twice and recheck the thread I posted this in. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 30, 2018 20:24:14 GMT -5
Anyone see that play where Horford fouled Simmons and Danny Ainge yelled at the refs and threw the basketball at them? Lol that was awesome. It was a pure block 100% all ball. Danny was pissed. Yeah and I laughed my butt off at Danny still being Danny all these years later. |
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 30, 2018 20:31:10 GMT -5
Yeah, trying to say Semi didn’t do a good job defensively is arguing just for the sake of arguing.Who would do that? I complain for the sake of complaining. That’s different than arguing for the sake of arguing. |
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